Beepster
Stop waxing philosophical over it and get some chops. Not many people "enjoy" the endless hours of practicing scales or learning dry music theory (well I do but I'm weird) but it is something that must be done. Claiming you are a some kind of genius but then saying you are unwilling to put in the work is actually rather insulting.

 
I was just reading that interview with Mr. Kurzweil ... and this is exactly the thing he says is going to change in the future of music ... and the "countless hours wasted" finding something that is not there for that person, that others can do, or differently.  It means that a lot of software, is replacing this "chops" business, and it will, eventually, make music teaching somewhat of a ... weird thing ... that people do when they are bored ... nobody buys or plays those things anymore, because they are more fun on the computer.
 
Music History, and cynics, are ALL, almost exclusively, about some "tradition", and essentially those folks are afraid of innovation ... and the new tools have been for a few years about TAKING THIS IDEA OFF YOUR HEAD, and making it real, instead of ... IMPOSSIBLE ... which right now, it is, unless you can learn some antiquated math and then you are good enough to sit with Bapu, or Stummy, or Beagle, or Beepster, or Joe,. or Toe, or Dick, or Harry ... and your idea and thoughts are totally wasted because you are not a part of "their" geek world.
 
Is that information better, worse, valid? ... I think it is valid, and I have posted many times parallels in rehearsal with actors on stage and film, only to find that musicians think they are autonomous, and no one can suggest anything lest God will come down and ruin their professional status!
 
There was a study in Santa Cruz that is still going, and only one person here on this board has replied to it well, and showed that there were some serious hippocrisies associated with listening, and specially related to something ... they "did not know". Emily, was not a person ... it was a computer that could compose in any style and make it new and fresh, and she is still very alive and well ... and folks buying her stuff ... and they have "stopped" the experiments, because folks have said they were "duped" and that the music was great, and when they found out that it was a computer, they got upset that they were not told before hand about it.
 
We created an entity ... called "computer" ... and helped it develop a soul ... and then we go around say, that "entity" can't live! ... I really want to say ... you need to go to the doctor and put you on the pill!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Is it any different? ...
 
The real issue is ... music expression and the creativity process is changing, and some folks don't like it, because they will be left behind ... but heck ... we already left Stravinsky behind 75 years ago ... so what's the new news? That we refuse to see history?
 
I compare the "creative process" from writing a poem, a short story, or 2 novels (that I'm doing concurrently ... yeah ... no comment!), but some folks get offended when I suggest they try this with music ... like improvise on a dime with a vacuum cleaner and a barbie dooll! You can't think ... you have to go .. NOW! And this is mostly, what so many very creative and productive people have done ... they did not 2nd guess their work ... and this is the history of a Picasso, a Stravinsky ... and so many others in the 20th centry ... but we refuse to see that because all we want to do is re-structure that same structure in rock'n'roll ...
 
In the end, this is about YOU ... and what/how you see things, or want to "try" things ... or simply not be concerned with ANYTHING outside of yourself, and just paint. Just play. Just write. And the only think you can do is put it out there and hopefully folks will like it and one day ... voila ... you don't need to hear me, or anyone else talk about it! YOU KNOW, for yourself what you need to know! This, might/could be the case with some folks in this group, btw. 

Do whatever you gotta to make the music. Just make the music. That's all I was saying.

I was just trying to get the guy to do something with his "talent". Yes... I can be an insufferable arse but when someone is that desperate to make music I'm prone to brow beat them until they get on with it.

It's a character flaw and I apologize... but that is how deeply I feel about my art and my opinion that all capable humans should attempt to create music.

LP is right in one thing. It is in all of us. It wants out. Let it out.

LMAO! This is a very entertaining Fred!!!


HAPPY NEW YEAR EVERYONE!!


LSU 52 - Clemson 0

People do this all the time without the benefit of computers ... it's called plagiarism.

Moshkiae

Bub

People do this all the time without the benefit of computers ... it's called plagiarism.

Too bad you never heard it, or are willing to give it some credit ... how can it ALL not be plagiarism according to your statement, if you started in school with the ABC's nd were immediately given all the music you "know" ... and copied since day one ...
 
Honestly, then rock music and its work is nothing but copy of a copy of a copy, and most of these folks are simply masterfiddling with their weewee guitars, and they not only don't know nothing, they are just copying their hero's ... which I guess is not "plagiarism" ...
 
Right! Bub ... Right!

There's a difference between someone sitting down and writing in a style of music, say for example, the blues, the classic C-Am-F-G oldies progression, country C-F-G, and someone programming a computer to generate music that's very similar to a specific composers body of work.

"You name the composer and EMI could analyze his works to spit out a new piece that sounded just like that composer had written it himself."

It's really cool that someone programmed this Emi thing ... but it's basically saying, here's something by Mozart, alter it a little and make it sound like something he already composed. It just seems a little odd to me. But then again, most things do. :)