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Re:What is musical talent in this given situation?
2012/12/27 15:37:33
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@rain... Heh. Yeah, ya'll are a good bunch and no matter what we end up getting some intelligent convos out of even the most ridiculous OPs. I'm no stranger to internet trolls so I always find it funny when they pop up here. I usually try to avoid them because I'm here to learn and don't want to look like a dink but I couldn't resist with this guy. Besides, it's been a fun distraction while I wait for the paint on one of my desks to dry.
Cheers, dude.
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Re:What is musical talent in this given situation?
2012/12/27 15:38:46
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MattMVS7
Like I said with my previous post, no negativity is intended from this topic and I am not being a troll of anysort. I just want to know if this mental talent is as powerful as I feel it is (if it's something worth pursuing despite my lack of enjoyment, or that I should just move on with my life in doing what I do normally)?
Yet you've replied to that yourself saying that you wouldn't back down unless a scientist proves you wrong. So if indeed you aren't trolling, you're still chasing your tail.
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Beepster
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Re:What is musical talent in this given situation?
2012/12/27 15:42:59
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(if it's something worth pursuing despite my lack of enjoyment, or that I should just move on with my life in doing what I do normally) Don't want to put in the work? Then move on with your life. And seriously that is coming from someone who thinks EVERYONE should make music a part of their life. But you claim not to enjoy it, don't want to listen to anyone and have an ego that would make Malmsteen blush so really... take up pottery or bird watching or something. You're just wasting everybody's time.
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Re:What is musical talent in this given situation?
2012/12/27 15:43:30
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I don't know why you would pursue something if you did not, "enjoy it."
Anyways, "anything is possible."
But right now, "I am so busy with stuff," that I will leave it there. Peace
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Re:What is musical talent in this given situation?
2012/12/27 15:46:47
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MattMVS7
But is it absolutely scientifically impossible for someone who hasn't gained physical knowledge and experience in music to make powerful songs in their head (songs that would be worthy of a new movie trailer or something of such potential)? If a scientist with a lot of knowledge of the human brain and such were to tell me that this is impossible and I am given absolute scientific proof, only then will I believe (I mean, I would still feel the way I do about my songs, but it would now be in a way that I am delusional and these feelings are false).
Well. However you look at it. Anyone can say they're a genius. They can't really be challenged. A difficult subject for sure. Lots of us like to think we're OK at music. Obviously some are more than that. Absolutely brilliant, some of us. Dynamite songs being written all the time...in our heads Of course, this may be an illusion... Fortunately, Being quite used to dealing with these Obfuscations we most Likely Laugh Out loud (y'know, LOL!) and Carry on, Keeping the tradition of Splitting our sides at the silliness.
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Re:What is musical talent in this given situation?
2012/12/27 15:49:36
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Re:What is musical talent in this given situation?
2012/12/27 15:49:57
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Heh.
Actually in the original thread I was contemplating swiping the "DOOT DOOT DOOTs" and "CHALLA WALLAs" and making a funky mash up from the samples.
Maybe I still will when I have time. Could be an internet sensation.
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Re:What is musical talent in this given situation?
2012/12/27 15:51:01
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Re:What is musical talent in this given situation?
2012/12/27 15:51:41
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Now with "EPIC" keyboards!
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Re:What is musical talent in this given situation?
2012/12/27 15:56:25
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I just used my Scientific genius to build a machine to get those tunes out of Matt’s head. Just a few more tweaks to make... right now it's playing nothing but the Village People YMCA.
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Re:What is musical talent in this given situation?
2012/12/27 15:59:05
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DIBS ON BEING THE INDIAN!
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Re:What is musical talent in this given situation?
2012/12/27 16:01:56
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I think Bapu always insists on the indian.... sorry
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Re:What is musical talent in this given situation?
2012/12/27 16:04:41
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That darned bapu! FOILED AGAIN!
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Re:What is musical talent in this given situation?
2012/12/27 16:07:06
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jamesg1213
MattMVS7
But is it absolutely scientifically impossible for someone who hasn't gained physical knowledge and experience in music to make powerful songs in their head (songs that would be worthy of a new movie trailer or something of such potential)? If a scientist with a lot of knowledge of the human brain and such were to tell me that this is impossible and I am given absolute scientific proof, only then will I believe (I mean, I would still feel the way I do about my songs, but it would now be in a way that I am delusional and these feelings are false).
Well.
However you look at it.
Anyone can say they're a genius.
They can't really be challenged.
A difficult subject for sure.
Lots of us like to think we're OK at music.
Obviously some are more than that.
Dynamite songs being written all the time...in our heads
Of course, this may be an illusion...
Fortunately,
Being quite used to dealing with these
Obfuscations we most
Likely
Laugh
Out loud (y'know, LOL!) and
Carry on,
Keeping the tradition of
Splitting our sides at the silliness.
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MattMVS7
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Re:What is musical talent in this given situation?
2012/12/27 16:19:47
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But in conclusion, reality itself is negative to me and I bond to other worlds (fantasy-like things) to escape from reality. And from that bond, I create these songs in my head. But actually physically learning and making music is what I perceive as doing something in the real world. Perhaps if I wish to become a good musician, that this is some trial I must overcome. Because right now, reality itself is negative and nothing to me which is why I don't enjoy doing practically anything in the real world. Again, reality itself I don't really enjoy as well as doing other things besides music in the real world--again, music is something I truly enjoy. It's just that me actually doing what it is I enjoy (physically learning and making music), sometimes I feel like I should escape that and go back playing my videogames.
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Re:What is musical talent in this given situation?
2012/12/27 16:22:12
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I can think of nothing more frustrating than having musical ideas and not having the means to express them, either in performance or by way of composition.
A working knowledge of music theory will certainly help, but it isn't absolutely necessary. But I would have thought that being able to program a bit of MIDI by ear, or a rudimentary ability in playing keyboards or even guitar definitely is.
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Re:What is musical talent in this given situation?
2012/12/27 16:23:58
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Are you familiar with the Buddhist concept that "reality" is just a state of constant suffering? 
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Re:What is musical talent in this given situation?
2012/12/27 16:33:57
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Because right now, reality itself is negative and nothing to me which is why I don't enjoy doing practically anything in the real world.
If this is true then get yourself some help. Yeah, reality bites sometimes but you're here now so make the best of it. You want to make music in your head then do it. You want to make music in the real world then do it. There is no substance to your post or any real question to be answered. You are just dribbling from the brain without making a point other than that you think your musical ideas are awesome. Fine. Go do something with it. It's obvious you don't want our help or input so what the hell are you even doing here? That's why you are being called a troll. It is more than likely you are but on the off chance you are just a messed up dude there's my advice. Sh*t or get off the pot and get some medical help for your depression.
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Re:What is musical talent in this given situation?
2012/12/27 16:44:05
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After reading most of this thread.... I recall the first "tune" you provided a few weeks back..... I'm not trying to disrespect you by any means..... but this is a wakeup call. Stop daydreaming.... either get creative and find a way to get the music out or not.... keep living in the dream world. The real world is better IMHO.... but it may come as a cold hard slap in the face..... that's part of it. Realizing that you have a problem of some sort..... whatever it my be..... inactivity to pursue your dreams in a tangible way seems to be yours right now.....well, that's the first step to making that dream a reality. Yeah I think a few people here nailed you.... daydreaming that you are the next latest, greatest, hottest music producer writer for film, TV and games is totally worthless unless you are willing to do the work needed to get the so called epic songs out of your head and into the real world. every song starts in someone's head as an idea.... and that person takes that idea and works on it, and brings it to life one way or another. Beethoven was deaf.... Stevie Wonder is blind, as is Ray Charles. That did not stop them ... they found a way to persevere. I know a hit songwriter who neither sings well nor plays any instruments but yet, he has 10 #1 songs in several genre's. The inability to sing or play an instrument did not stop him from his dream. But he didn't set around simply thinking he was an epic hit writer..... he put it into action and found a way to get it done. I'm not saying you don't have an epic song in you... but .... prove it for real... in the real world, which means getting the songs into a tangible form.... the proof that you are as great as you seem to think you are is to get the songs into a movie or game. Setting in your room or basement thinking you are a great epic songwriter is for the birds and the delusional. The rubber hits the road and you slam straight into reality when you have to put those ideas on "tape" and expose them to the world..... that my friend is the real test of greatness. My guess is, you have some learning and work to do. Songwriting is not easy work or else everyone would be doing it. It is a learned skill. The only way you will come close to being an epic writer is to start writing, find a way to get the ideas into a form everyone who hears it can appreciate, learn from your mistakes and keep writing. I have seen major improvements in my writing skills in the last few years, but I have also been working diligently to make those improvements. It didn't just happen cause I dreamed it....the dreaming is a start.... but you can not get stuck on step one.... you must set out on the journey and endure the failures and keep moving. With the software and synths and loops and other things available..... there is no excuse. Life is short so get busy.
post edited by Guitarhacker - 2012/12/27 16:49:04
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Re:What is musical talent in this given situation?
2012/12/27 17:10:09
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But in conclusion, reality itself is negative to me and I bond to other worlds (fantasy-like things) to escape from reality. And from that bond, I create these songs in my head. But actually physically learning and making music is what I perceive as doing something in the real world. Perhaps if I wish to become a good musician, that this is some trial I must overcome. Because right now, reality itself is negative and nothing to me which is why I don't enjoy doing practically anything in the real world.
Hi Matt:
heavy words there, dude; forgive me but making music seems to be the least of your problems.
sometimes reality can be pretty tough to deal with but what other choice do we have?
Surround yourself with positive, good hearted people;
If you have a passion, go with it;
life/reality will turn around.
the best of luck to you young man.
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Re:What is musical talent in this given situation?
2012/12/27 21:21:31
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MattMVS7
But is it absolutely scientifically impossible for someone who hasn't gained physical knowledge and experience in music to make powerful songs in their head (songs that would be worthy of a new movie trailer or something of such potential)? If a scientist with a lot of knowledge of the human brain and such were to tell me that this is impossible and I am given absolute scientific proof, only then will I believe (I mean, I would still feel the way I do about my songs, but it would now be in a way that I am delusional and these feelings are false).
Well.
However you look at it.
Anyone can say they're a genius.
They can't really be challenged.
A difficult subject for sure.
Lots of us like to think we're OK at music.
Obviously some are more than that.
Absolutely brilliant, some of us.
Dynamite songs being written all the time...in our heads
Of course, this may be an illusion...
Fortunately,
Being quite used to dealing with these
Obfuscations we most
Likely
Laugh
Out loud (y'know, LOL!) and
Carry on,
Keeping the tradition of
Splitting our sides at the silliness.
Best Jamesg1213 post EVER!!!!!
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Re:What is musical talent in this given situation?
2012/12/27 21:27:57
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What is musical talent in this given situation? Simple answer: There is none.
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Re:What is musical talent in this given situation?
2012/12/28 01:21:49
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bapu
What is musical talent in this given situation?
Simple answer: There is none.
Now feel free to correct me if I'm wrong on this, but talent is something you're good at. So if a person is good at being creative in their head, wouldn't he/she be talented at being creative? Again, this is a musical topic I made completely different from what most musical topics would be (a good philosophical-like question). This is not a technical musical topic. Also, regardless of ones status (in this case, producers who have dedicated their lives in making music), everyone is different and has their own issues/questions/situations in life, and everyone should feel free no matter what experience level they have in music, in asking any question or engaging in what is intended to be a pleasant conversation involving positive mannered reasonings--not negative arguments (positive reasonings are what I'm making--there is no intended negativity in any of my posts towards others).
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Re:What is musical talent in this given situation?
2012/12/28 02:13:59
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MattMVS7
Now feel free to correct me if I'm wrong on this, but talent is something you're good at. So if a person is good at being creative in their head, wouldn't he/she be talented at being creative? Again, this is a musical topic I made completely different from what most musical topics would be (a good philosophical-like question). This is not a technical musical topic. Also, regardless of ones status (in this case, producers who have dedicated their lives in making music), everyone is different and has their own issues/questions/situations in life, and everyone should feel free no matter what experience level they have in music, in asking any question or engaging in what is intended to be a pleasant conversation involving positive mannered reasonings--not negative arguments (positive reasonings are what I'm making--there is no intended negativity in any of my posts towards others).
You are absolutely right. Some of these guys are, "totally out of line here." Usually they do not troll they are, "a great group of guys." However, "they might be less than aware of what yours, or anybody else's problem(s), life story is, etc, etc." Your asked if you had music talent. Answer is unequivocally yes. Everybody has it. You want to hear it from a scientist? Can't help you there, but I'll offer this: I've got a dad with a PHD, a mom with a PHD, and I myself, "run my own business, have no money, and am considering my own damn PHD." Music talent is the most common creative talent across our species. Everybody loves to sing in the shower. The question, "are you the next grammy winning producer?" The answer? Your shot is as good as anybody elses. We just gave Taylor Swift a grammy.. For cryin out loud. The next question, "are you the next Mozart?" Highly improbable. More so, than your chances of winning a grammy. If you want to be a music producer.. Start using Sonar, and play, "upstairs," in the Sonar Forums, where the guys will answer your every question.
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Re:What is musical talent in this given situation?
2012/12/28 08:08:52
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Re:What is musical talent in this given situation?
2012/12/28 08:22:26
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MattMVS7
bapu
What is musical talent in this given situation?
Simple answer: There is none.
Now feel free to correct me if I'm wrong on this, but talent is something you're good at. So if a person is good at being creative in their head, wouldn't he/she be talented at being creative? Again, this is a musical topic I made completely different from what most musical topics would be (a good philosophical-like question). This is not a technical musical topic. Also, regardless of ones status (in this case, producers who have dedicated their lives in making music), everyone is different and has their own issues/questions/situations in life, and everyone should feel free no matter what experience level they have in music, in asking any question or engaging in what is intended to be a pleasant conversation involving positive mannered reasonings--not negative arguments (positive reasonings are what I'm making--there is no intended negativity in any of my posts towards others).
This can be a deep subject if you want it to be... What is talent? Is it some innate ability you are born with? Is talent "nature", or is talent the result of outside influence, education, and awareness ? Is talent "nurtured" rather than the result of some spontaneous natural force? Are these songs you hear in your head your absolute and original creations or are they amalgamations and mash ups of everything you have already heard? Do you have the skill to recognize the difference in thoughts that you synthesize and create with your own mind and thoughts that are merely a realization of ideas that have entered your brain from various external influences? Do you need a skill to make that decision? Or can you just be naturally talented at recognizing talent? When people stop and state something like "that person has a talent for that", what do you think they mean? What is it that they recognize as talent? Do they actually recognize that talent or are they acknowledging a symptom of something they call "talent"? For example; Is it possible to consider someone as a talented cook without ever viewing, smelling or tasting some of the food they cooked? Have you ever looked at a total stranger... someone you were wholly unfamiliar with and sensed that they were imbued with "talent"? It's hard for a person, such as myself, to consider your theory that one may have an instinctive knowledge that they possess some natural talent. I'm not sure what talent actually is... and I've been thinking about it off and on for about 50 years. I think the fact that you are asking about this stuff indicates that you have a deep passion. A lot of people can settle for that and go forward with perseverance in an effort to develop skills and ever greater understanding of what it is that excites their passion. Good luck!!! all the best, mike
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Re:What is musical talent in this given situation?
2012/12/28 09:21:15
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mike_mccue
Are you familiar with the Buddhist concept that "reality" is just a state of constant suffering?
That might be a little painful..  Now, I'm just thinking out loud here but this has me wondering. My own experience might be somewhat along this line as well. Until I got into the messy stuff of learning this I tended to sit on the sideline and watch other people doing stuff that I wanted to do. The only problem was that I always either A) met resistance from other people or B) my inner critic. It does help getting a MIDI keyboard as well though 
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Re:What is musical talent in this given situation?
2012/12/28 09:41:27
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One last thing I would like to say is that I already have been making learning and physically making music a positive part of my life (it's just that sometimes I wish to go back playing my videogames). It is not physically making and learning music itself that is getting me down, just again, getting away from what it is I normally do (play my videogames to escape from reality) and actually doing something in the real world. I will perfect these songs for what they are in my head and their power will be revealed. I no longer wish to be in this worthless situation/position anymore where I'm perceived as someone I'm not (someone with no talent just wasting everyone's time). Which is obviously the reason why I'm learning music now. I truly wish to be a good person and wish others to perceive me the same as well.
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Re:What is musical talent in this given situation?
2012/12/28 10:04:42
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Good. That is all I was trying to get through to you. You have to put in the effort if you want to make music. Simple as that. If that is what your goal is then don't stop posting. Ask questions that we can actually answer and take the advice given.
As for the depression once you get more proficient at expressing yourself musically I'm sure you will feel much better about yourself and the world around you. My music has saved me many times from myself and from the harshness of the world around me. If I hadn't had that outlet I don't think I'd even be alive right now.
Now get to work. You did make a massive step up from your original thread/postings by taking the time to learn how to use a controller. Keep on that path. Also learn how to use the Piano Roll View. It can help with the stuff you may not yet be able to physically play at the moment.
Seriously I'm not a hateful man but your attitude towards this was all messed up. Seems like you are starting to get it now.
Good luck.
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Re:What is musical talent in this given situation?
2012/12/28 10:06:28
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Oh and you seem to be into video games. If you want to make music for video games take a look at editing with the Step Sequencer. It's great for that kind of thing.
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