What is musical talent in this given situation?

IMPORTANT:  I am not just talking about myself alone and saying that I am all great and better than anyone else here (but me having this ability of creating songs in my head has given me this idea of musical mental talent to talk about.  Again, not just talking about myself--I'm also talking and asking about the musical minds of others with such musical ability as well because I am interested in knowing about such an ability and if one can actually consider this a talent.  I am not this type of person at all to brag, have an ego, etc.  I am just talking and asking about how talents work and just the idea of having the mental talent of creating songs in your head alone. Everyone here has taken my information the wrong way. 

FINAL EDIT: I already have been making learning and physically making music a positive part of my life (it's just hard for me sometimes because I wish to get back to do what I do normally--playing videogames in dealing with some bad thoughts I have).

But I will perfect these songs for what they are in my head and their power will be revealed. I no longer wish to be in this worthless situation/position anymore where I'm perceived as someone I'm not (someone with no talent just wasting everyone's time) and the information I'm posting being taken the wrong way. Which is obviously the reason why I'm learning music now. I truly wish to be a good person and wish others to perceive me the same as well. 



I am using this as an example and to see what people have to say about this and what this specific individual should do in a situation like this.

If there is someone who only enjoys coming up with musical ideas (in this case, songs in his/her head) and enjoys learning and physically making music, but doesn't feel comfortable getting away from what he/she normally does and only wishes to go back and continue doing that one thing. 

Now this person has gained vast knowledge from listening to music, and based off that knowledge, has produced songs in his/her head (songs that are, in fact, to be the next best songs in a movie or somewhere else).  Without knowledge, this person would not be able to create any song in his/her head.  So this is where this knowledge would come from (from listening to other music).  It is obviously knowledge that can't be used in physically making music and the person does not know what that knowledge actually is (again, it is a type of knowledge that only the person's mind alone uses in making music--the person does not know how his/her mind is creating music, but when he/she focuses in creating a great song, it will happen).  

This person has created these powerful songs in his/her dreams (as well as other great songs in his/her head in the waking world).  Now this person has a goal--which is to perfect these songs into the real world so that they will be known by others, but has no musical experience and has it in his/her head that he/she wishes to learn and physically make music, but however, when he/she goes and does it, sometimes he/she just feels like they should just go back and do what he/she does normally in life.  Also, when you are first learning to make music, you cannot create your music at this point (so the idea of creating your music is shoved off into the distant future and all that's left now is just the physical aspect of making music alone in order to experiment and learn more, and of course, to just have fun which can be a hard aspect at first for this person).  

Now for example, if you were to do nothing in physically learning and making music and just keep your musical ideas in your head.   But what's the use of having such a mental talent that you are not allowed to physically pursue (due to your inability to enjoy other things in life and that you only enjoy making music in your head and just expressing your ideas alone and nothing more)?  Again, I enjoy physically learning and making music--I just only feel that I need to escape reality sometimes and just go back playing my videogames.  Also, this person would be a musician (a composer who only composes music in his/her head--but that's it.  This person is not a composer physically).  I mean, I bet many people would say that this person is no musician and has no talent.  But again, this talent is something special and different (something that others do not recognize) as it doesn't exist in the real world and exists within this person.  This person clearly has a natural mental talent to have created such powerful songs in his/her head, but has no natural talent or desire for physically making music.  

EDIT:

Now I'm just using my song here as an example in case anyone here can actually make this out (and also because this is what this music website is about--sharing your music that you've created). .

And about this one song that came to me in a dream (right here, although it is completely flawed and such and you might not even be able to make it out right now): 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBmpkXTlDYE 

It is, in fact, an intense action choir song with a heroic tune with it.  But am I crazy in actually feeling how powerful it is and saying that it's the next best song for a new Zelda videogame trailer?  Perhaps I am (although I truly feel that is what I say it is).  Also, how does this work (one's feelings in music when this person feels the way about a certain song the way he/she does)?

Many folks over in the songs forum recommended you learn the basics of using the PRV or get a MIDI controller to get those tunes out of your head and out in the open. You have to be willing to put the work in like the rest of us have. If you truly don't want to do that then unfortunately you are just going to have accept that you and you alone are going to be the only person able to hear and enjoy your music.

Stop waxing philosophical over it and get some chops. Not many people "enjoy" the endless hours of practicing scales or learning dry music theory (well I do but I'm weird) but it is something that must be done. Claiming you are a some kind of genius but then saying you are unwilling to put in the work is actually rather insulting.

And truthfully the recordings you posted were repetitious and not particularly musical. I don't mean to be harsh but it's apparent you need someone to nudge you into taking the appropriate steps to accomplish what you seem so desperate to.

So again... buy a copy of Sonar or whatever DAW you prefer that has a decent MIDI editor, learn how to use it (we can help you with that) and get on with it.

Peace.

Well to answer your question I personally would not refer to that as talent. Creativity? Perhaps but the only person that can even comment on that creativity is the person hearing the music in their mind. It really seems to me you are trying to look for validation of your self proclaimed genius but that is impossible because we cannot just hook some speakers up to your brain to take a listen.

Again I don't mean to be harsh but we all come here to discuss the actual making of music. So accept that you are going to have to learn how to express yourself in the physical world and take the necessary steps to do so or discuss this type of thing elsewhere.

And to explain why this annoys me is because I've dealt with people who have BEGGED me to show them how to play but they had no intention of listening to me or putting in the hard work it takes. I've wasted far too much time attempting to share my knowledge with people who are only interested in calling themselves musicians because it makes them feel all fuzzy inside but refuse to take things seriously. You are taking it to the ultimate extreme of that by saying that you don't even want to take even the most preliminary steps toward your goal.

I'm not going to pretend that we are talking about someone else because you and I both know this about you. So are you going to put in the work or not? If you are, then we can help you.

I also disagree that "anyone" can make good music in their heads. It takes a long time to train one's mind to understand and put together music mentally. So again that is a little insulting.

For those of you who missed it the first time this is Matt's thread from the songs forum requesting that someone produce his song for him.

http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.aspx?m=2715349

MattMVS7
Obviously, almost anyone can produce good music in their own heads if they desire.

I think you may be misunderstanding the word "produce". In this context I would say you probably mean "hear". And yes, I agree with the fact that almost anyone can hear good music in their heads (if they desire). But to "produce" music require skills and talents to physically assemble that music with melody, harmony and rhythm. Those three things require tried and true methods of practice, practice and practice.

Now I'm just using my song here as an example in case anyone here can actually make this out (and also because this is what this music website is about--sharing your music that you've created).  

And about this one song that came to me in a dream (right here, although it is completely flawed and such and you might not even be able to make it out right now):  

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBmpkXTlDYE   

It is, in fact, an intense action choir song with a heroic tune with it.  But am I crazy in actually feeling how powerful it is and saying that it's the next best song for a new Zelda videogame trailer?  Perhaps I am (although I truly feel that is what I say it is).  Also, how does this work (one's feelings in music when this person feels the way about a certain song the way he/she does)? 

And sorry... until you refine it a bit that pretty much sounds like an untrained musician mashing away on a keyboard. I can tell there are themes there but you NEED to learn some fundamentals. Learning and playing the modes of C Major is extremely easy on a keyboard and the beauty of MIDI is you can just use those white keys. Then if you want to change the key of your tune (the musical key... not the keyboard keys) you can do it by simply using the transpose features on the keyboard or within your DAW software.

Yes I'm here, but I am actually learning by myself (watching a music theory video and such).  So you don't need to explain anything if you don't want to.

Here's taste of Awesome

...which could easily be done in SONAR or any of the brand Y DAWs.


best regards,
mike 

Thank you for offering to help me here.  But I would like to discuss feelings and music now.

I truly feel that way as I've explained about my song.  Even if I gain years of knowledge and experience in music, this will not change how I feel about this song (I will never look back on that song as being something not all that great).  And our positive feelings about music is special and a work of art as well--something you can't change or make false. Each person's positive feelings regarding music is true, but in their own point of view. Therefore, since how I feel about that song cannot change or be made false, that means the song itself truly is powerful and that can't change or be made false either. So therefore, by that logic, wouldn't that mean my song (the one in my head) really is powerful?  Or am I perhaps crazy like I said? In the case of me somehow being dillusional (which I really completely doubt), if for example, I got this song perfected myself and I was told that it isn't that great. But somehow that does not change how I view it at all, then how would I get this feeling changed? As long as I'm unaware of why I feel this way despite everything else and how it's wrong the way I feel about it, the feeling will forever haunt me knowing that it has gone unrecognized and that I'm forever alone with it. And I won't be able to become a better musician with it because I am not going with what the facts of reality are telling me, but my own feelings.  I mean, how would it even be scientifically possible for me to truly feel that a song that is (in this case, no good, but only because of my flaws), is powerful and that the way I feel about it will never change?  Again, I am not just feeling that way about this song because I made it--even if it was from someone I hated, I would still view the song the same way.

mike_mccue


Here's taste of Awesome

...which could easily be done in SONAR or any of the brand Y DAWs.


best regards,
mike 

Hey youngsters... you think your dance moves today are new?

You do or you don't.
The difference between the ones who get things done and the ones who hatch great ideas in their head is that the former ones take actions.

One gets a great idea at the breakfast table. A really good one. He swears he'll concentrate on it one day. He maybe makes some notes about it or hums the melody in a recorder. And that's it....

Another one gets a reasonably good idea at the breakfast table. Not a brilliant one, but usable. In the evening he's already building the prototype or trying to get his musical friend to make an arrangement according to his hummed sketch or trying learn the music software or something...

The fine songs don't exist as long as they're in somebodys head. Simple as that, no alternatives.

If someone can't use virtual any music program to string together a few notes to create new and memorable melodies, then chances are their "talent" is imagining that they are much better than they actually are.

If they claim it's not melody that they're uniquely talented at, but rhythm or arranging or whatever, even though they have no experience actually doing those things, then chances are their "talent" is imagining that they are much better than they actually are. 

Okay, man. Just stop before you embarrass yourself further here. You are talking to a group of guys many of whom have dedicated their lives to making music and trying to tell them that you somehow know better than they do. It is arrogant and insulting especially considering what you have put forth to prove your so called genius is a ridiculous mishmash of nonsense notes and grunts into a microphone.

If you are just trolling for attention, piss off. If you are serious about making some music learn some humility and take the advice being given. There are people here who truly need and appreciate the knowledge this forum provides. 

See now? You dun made the Beepster angry.