I found that the way that Steinberg supposedly developed VST3 did raise a few eyebrows in some forums as well.  But then again, how long did it take VST2.4 to be accepted as a legitimate standard?

I think it might be a little while longer before VST3 is fully accepted...in the meantime I will continue using what works here.... 

Jonbouy


The point I was making had nothing to do with different types of plug-ins it was posing the question why VST 2.4 for Pro-Channel when the only REAL benefit there is portability.

If you are making product specific modules it would be just as easy to write access to the modules you are creating into Sonar itself and offer REAL seamless integration into the app rather than being bound by the drawbacks of VST's.

Perhaps, as they have already done with the Softube bundle, the choice of VST (regardless of which standard it was coded to) was chosen to allow for external and internal developers to utilize tools in place and routines already created to quickly port/develop ProChannel modules.  Just a guess.

Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk
]

We are not bound by any VST drawbacks for prochannel modules. The PC specification has additions on top of the VST 2.4 spec. VST 3 would have been no help here since it doesn't include the stuff we need.
VST 2.4 makes the most sense since its a very simple task for an existing plugin to be enhanced to be PC compatible. Thats how Softube were able to do it so quickly since they didn't have to learn anything new.

Thanks Noel (and Jind), that makes perfect sense, as I said I wasn't advocating VST3 as an alternative I just mentioned it as an indicator of moves by many companies lately looking toward removing some of the limitations inherent in VST 2.4 such as not being able to undo changes quickly when I've messed up my settings with a tweak too far...

Danny Danzi

Zo


Ok R37 on vocals for Danny !!

http://youtu.be/9dIKpdYDuYs

Zo, I finally got around to checking these out. Thanks a lot for doing them all. Your explanation was quite clear as well as your examples. In the last drum example you posted, I heard everything the way you did. In the one before that as well as the vocals, I SAW what was going on in your meters as well as the wave form preview...but for some reason, I couldn't hear it.
 
The weird thing...and maybe you can try this yourself.....try listening to your video without looking at the screen. When I did it that way, on the vocal video, I couldn't tell a difference no matter how hard I tried. The same with the first drum video. On the second drum video (this one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GT097vDKkc&feature=youtu.be ) I had no problems seeing and hearing what you were doing whether I looked at the screen or not. So this one to me, best represents what this thing is doing.
 
Also, I might have been able to hear this stuff better if I heard it like you did. God knows what the YouTube compression may have done to the actual audio as well, ya know? Anyway, thanks so much for going through the trouble to do those for us. I really enjoyed them...and your accent rocks! :) I'm going to do the same stuff as you did over here so I can hear things without the possible video compression/quality loss. I bet I'll hear it better that way. Thanks so much again brother! :)
 
-Danny

Glad you liked the videos ....and my accents ...witch i hate cause when i try to speak ggod english , i have it ...when i go New Orleans slang ...nope ;) 


Bizare !!


All i can say is that don't stress if you don't hear it ,as like Bob said (thks by the way for taking the time , next time make a Skype conf and we will kill with questions ;...loving teck talk here as a producer and a c++ master degre prgrammer ..;) it reacts diffrently according to material (very programm dependant) and so it depends on what you give him to eat ....just compress , know when ,why and how to compress and have fun !! .....


Congrats to Bob again .....LA3A now and dbx 160 .....go go go !!


by the way , Bob did you do the others PC modul (4k ect ....)?

John

Is CW in the VST market or is it in the DAW market?

Good question. From what I can gather, they've always been in both. Except now, when you buy Sonar, you can't use their VST's in any other DAW, which in my opinion is a bad idea.

I like the Pro Channel, but they should have made it so it was removable like all other VST's and installable in all other DAW's like the rest of their VST's. And so what if they've never been in the VST business for the masses, times are changing. People aren't spending money like they used to. Why not expand in to the VST arena and put out affordable add ons? And who better to put out a VST than a seasoned DAW maker, especially one with as many years experience as Cakewalk has with VST development?

I like the idea that there is exclusivity with X1. Something that was not thought about in the past.

Or ... now follow me on this real close like John, or ... offer the Pro Channel as a VST so you can use it in every other DAW (like Guitar Rig with it's expandable modules), and expand your sales. Think of how many more modules they would have sold if the Pro Channel was sitting in Reaper, Studio One, etc etc. $40 for the new leveling module, multiplied by Reaper, Studio One, etc etc ... can you imagine the revenue?

I would be surprised if this does not happen sometime soon.

Back on topic ... I got the PC2A Lev Amp last night. IMHO, it's the best module they've put out for the PC. So far I love it.

MakeShift

Back on topic ... I got the PC2A Lev Amp last night. IMHO, it's the best module they've put out for the PC. So far I love it.

 
I think both of the last 2 modules have been outstanding, the Concrete Limiter and the PC2A.  The fact that we are comparing and debating this plug with UAD, Wave, T-Racks and the likes is a testiment to how good it is.  For the money, I could not be more pleased.  Keep it up Cake and I will keep adding to my PC collection.
 
Here is hoping for a Pultec next.

I'm just wondering,what a PC module plugin of a Pultec EQ is going to do,what the Pro Channel Eq can't?


Of course due to there already being various compressors in Pro Channel,why not have a model of a famous EQ?[more the merrier?]


I for one would actually like it if you could remove the Pro Channel EQ,like you can with the other modules,and yes I know "de-activating it" should be the same,it's just that it'd be nice to lose the EQ GUI,like you can with the others,then I think a Pultec emulation[as well as others]could be VERY welcome.


Bob.

trimph1


@Zo....I think this one... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GT097vDKkc&feature=youtu.be...works really well in hearing/seeing the difference...

Great stuff!!

Want to see more of your tuts!!!

Thks ...i really think everybody can hear stuff ...the thing is that most of the time they just don't know what to focus on ;) 

By the the way i was using a DT990  pro to monitor the stuff ...the most precise headphone in my opinion and the highs are more than precise !    


Feel free to ask for some videos if ya guyz needs , on sonar X1 stuff or any other 3r party stuff, if i own it ...;)

Really ? ..want to hear that so !!

mike_mccue

John

Is CW in the VST market or is it in the DAW market?

In the past 12 months Cakewalk has offered a chance to upgrade our DAW for $79.00.

I sent in the money.

In the same period Cakewalk has offered a chance to spend $594.50 on the "xtra" ProChannel modules.

http://www.store.cakewalk...ory.aspx?categoryID=81

I didn't send in the money... I'm voting for the DAW.


best regards,
mike

I would like to know the math you used.


Mike why not be plain spoken. You hate ProChannel You hate Sonar X1. Why not just say it and be done with it?

Why are you still posting on the X1 forum? Are you trying to get CW to abandon X1? If not are you trying to get potential users to not get X1? Are you trying to make us see the errors of our ways and see how really profound you are? That we should make some homage to you for putting us all on the true path?

Has it ever occurred to you that many of us embrace X1 and ProChannel and will not go back?

That your postings are pointless.

That $594 claim is hysterical. I mean, let me be clear, I do think Mike is a thundering idiot, but even he is not actually stupid enough to think it actually costs $594 to get all the PC modules. God knows why he does this stuff.

You can manage that if you avoid all deals and bundles and you include the 3rd party softube stuff, which accounts for 299 of it. In reality, a complete set of Cakewalk's PC add ons comes in at around $150. This of course doesn't fit Mike's demented ongoing narrative, in which everything is a scam, which all us sheep are falling for, and only he is wise enough to see through the smoke and mirrors.

 A general trend here for awhile seems to be that someone will come on the threads and pull some kind of a rabbit out of a hat from almost nowhere. It might be semi-related, but usually I see pictures in my head of a dog looking at his tail and thinking,"Darnit, I'm going to chase that all day."

 It must be the nature of some people,really it is predictable. I can only reference myself,and I'm finding that I'm not like a lot of other people...if I didn't like something, I would fryking go somewhere else and use something else. If I wanted to biotch I would go somewhere that it might make a difference. I know I accused you yesterday John of judging intent, I guess I'm doing the same thing here,maybe I'm even better at it.
  These individuals get the attention of the moderators and the moderators are very keen to explain things and everything is then all nicey nicey again,until the next time. I think everyone has an off day and maybe they need to vent and maybe they have real issues that the rest of the functioning world has no concern with. To them, in their deluded state these issues are important.

 Constructive complaints get things accomplished, but really how much of this is constructive? At least half of these guys use other DAWS or are caught in perpetual 8.5 mode...I do have to question motive sometimes.

 

Starise Mike and I go back a very long way. I had a tremendous amount of respect for him. When X1 came out Mike and I sort of fell out. It is a shame from my perspective. Mike had contributed a lot of good things to the old Sonar forum.  I would read him even if I was uninterested in the subject simply because he had an interesting take on things plus he came from a position of knowledge. I felt I could learn something.

For some reason something has happened to him that is not very becoming. I don't know what it is but I hope it ends soon. I want the old Mike back.

I hate to say this but it kind of reminds me of one of these things...

I could probably find that old email if I could be bothered so perhaps Mike is using the same math as Cakewalk marketing were using at one point.

 
... except that the number was tied to this statement: "In the same period Cakewalk has offered a chance to spend $594.50 on the "xtra" ProChannel modules."
That, in itself, is way off.   Even with the Softube pack.