Whatcha think? Thoughts on PC2A T-Type Leveling Amplifier

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Re:Whatcha think? Thoughts on PC2A T-Type Leveling Amplifier 2012/03/29 14:24:43 (permalink)
It just struck me as being the exact same figure as Cakewalk was telling me that I'd 'save' by upgrading to the Xmas Production Suite bundle.

 
Ah.... I see.   A potential case of cost dyslexia.  
 
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Re:Whatcha think? Thoughts on PC2A T-Type Leveling Amplifier 2012/03/29 14:30:37 (permalink)
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John




I would like to know the math you used.


FWIW a Cakewalk marketing campaign went on for several weeks quoting the saving you'd make on a bundle which included, a Producer X1 Upgrade, Z3ta2, Expanded, the then existing PC modules IIRC that exact figure given, of a value of $594 or maybe it was even $694

I could probably find that old email if I could be bothered so perhaps Mike is using the same math as Cakewalk marketing were using at one point.

I think he forgot to remove the $99 value of the upgrade off that quoted price that's all.


Outside of the Softube stuff I have upgraded to the X1 Expanded D. Bought both Rapture and Z3TA-2. All the CW PC modules and did not pay anything like what Mike quoted. This was done all within the last few months. I dispute that price as a price we here have paid. Heck I paid $10.00 for the Limiter.

Besides what on earth does that have to do with this thread? Its simply bad behavior.

Now if one wants I am sure one could find a way to pay that price and a lot more. But who does?

Also isn't that a "value" not a price? Isn't it an estimate of its worth? Isn't worth subject to what someone is willing to pay? Price is the figure that matters. I don't anyone has paid that price!

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Re:Whatcha think? Thoughts on PC2A T-Type Leveling Amplifier 2012/03/29 14:36:04 (permalink)
I demand to be able to pay full price and then some 'exchange rate' special on top.... it's my right as a fanboi to not have anything cheaper than full price.
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Re:Whatcha think? Thoughts on PC2A T-Type Leveling Amplifier 2012/03/29 14:41:37 (permalink)
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I demand to be able to pay full price and then some 'exchange rate' special on top.... it's my right as a fanboi to not have anything cheaper than full price.

Those European Cakewalk hooligans have the pistol to your head again don't they? 

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Re:Whatcha think? Thoughts on PC2A T-Type Leveling Amplifier 2012/03/29 14:41:48 (permalink)

Also isn't that a "value" not a price? Isn't it an estimate of its worth? Isn't worth subject to what someone is willing to pay? Price is the figure that matters. I don't anyone has paid that price!


Exactly why UK Trading Standards have a clear policy over claims that a UK based company can make on 'value'.

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Re:Whatcha think? Thoughts on PC2A T-Type Leveling Amplifier 2012/03/29 14:44:12 (permalink)
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Besides what on earth does that have to do with this thread? Its simply bad behavior.

If everybody took their own counsel on this matter instead of judging the input of others and deciding how they ought to behave this place would be much better for it.


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Re:Whatcha think? Thoughts on PC2A T-Type Leveling Amplifier 2012/03/29 14:47:22 (permalink)
Last time I looked CW is in the US. Not sure about the point of your posts Jonbouy. Unless it is in defense of Mike. Perhaps as a neutral member you could see the point I am making or am I asking too much?

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Re:Whatcha think? Thoughts on PC2A T-Type Leveling Amplifier 2012/03/29 14:48:29 (permalink)
btw out of interest what would be the total list price of Expanded plus ALL the modules now available for it.

I'm talking list price here.  Anybody know?

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Re:Whatcha think? Thoughts on PC2A T-Type Leveling Amplifier 2012/03/29 14:50:44 (permalink)
That is currently at $564.50


Well, that only reflects the current $49.00 Expanded upgrade price... did you mean to include the price of a free standing license of Expanded?

I've seen that at $499 but maybe it's come down since I last looked.





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Re:Whatcha think? Thoughts on PC2A T-Type Leveling Amplifier 2012/03/29 14:52:49 (permalink)

Wow

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Re:Whatcha think? Thoughts on PC2A T-Type Leveling Amplifier 2012/03/29 14:57:38 (permalink)
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That is currently at $564.50


Well, that only reflects the current $49.00 Expanded upgrade price... did you mean to include the price of a free standing license of Expanded?

I've seen that at $499 but maybe it's come down since I last looked.

And some here think Waves is overpriced!
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Re:Whatcha think? Thoughts on PC2A T-Type Leveling Amplifier 2012/03/29 15:08:24 (permalink)

John

Is CW in the VST market or is it in the DAW market?


 John

Besides what on earth does that have to do with this thread? Its simply bad behavior.


I guess he didn't like the answer.

:-)


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Re:Whatcha think? Thoughts on PC2A T-Type Leveling Amplifier 2012/03/29 15:12:14 (permalink)
I thought *I* was supposed to be the troll....
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Re:Whatcha think? Thoughts on PC2A T-Type Leveling Amplifier 2012/03/29 15:13:17 (permalink)
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Wow
I was about to say the same thing.
 
holy frickin wow.

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Re:Whatcha think? Thoughts on PC2A T-Type Leveling Amplifier 2012/03/29 15:19:11 (permalink)
holy frickin wow.

 
Ditto.
 
I can't believe this thread has gone for 14 pages either.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
PS... Is the PC2A really a VST?   
 

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Re:Whatcha think? Thoughts on PC2A T-Type Leveling Amplifier 2012/03/29 15:21:30 (permalink)
This is the anti thread to the "Sound Quality of Sonar" thread. As soon as they touch each other they'll destroy themselves.
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Re:Whatcha think? Thoughts on PC2A T-Type Leveling Amplifier 2012/03/29 15:24:29 (permalink)
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This is the anti thread to the "Sound Quality of Sonar" thread. As soon as they touch each other they'll destroy themselves.


I don't know this one seems to have a content quotient that seems real enough.

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Re:Whatcha think? Thoughts on PC2A T-Type Leveling Amplifier 2012/03/29 15:32:34 (permalink)
PS... Is the PC2A really a VST?   


If I may, it seems like a more pertinent question might be:

Would the PC2A run bug free if it was "dual moduled" and used as a normal or real VST in the FX bin?

I think it's the PC architecture that's buggared. I know it seems like each  made by Cakewalk ProChannel module has been released with a bug but I'll bet all those bugs have more to do with the PC channel strip and it's  implementation than the actual signal processing. I'll bet the VST part of the made by Cakewalk PC modules work great. It seems ironic that you pay extra so you can only use the Cakewalk modules in PC and then you don't really have a chance to know if they work better as "normal" VST plugins.


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Re:Whatcha think? Thoughts on PC2A T-Type Leveling Amplifier 2012/03/29 15:32:35 (permalink)
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This is the anti thread to the "Sound Quality of Sonar" thread. As soon as they touch each other they'll destroy themselves.


It might cause the forum to collapse on itself and pull us all into the singularity that will form.

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Re:Whatcha think? Thoughts on PC2A T-Type Leveling Amplifier 2012/03/29 15:34:31 (permalink)
I think this is already forming though....

The space you have will always be exceeded in direct proportion to the amount of stuff you have...Thornton's Postulate.

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Re:Whatcha think? Thoughts on PC2A T-Type Leveling Amplifier 2012/03/29 15:38:36 (permalink)
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FastBikerBoy


This is the anti thread to the "Sound Quality of Sonar" thread. As soon as they touch each other they'll destroy themselves.


It might cause the forum to collapse on itself and pull us all into the singularity that will form.


Beagle, I don't know how to tell you this but I believe your avatar might be wearing a mask....
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Re:Whatcha think? Thoughts on PC2A T-Type Leveling Amplifier 2012/03/29 15:40:24 (permalink)
FastBikerBoy


Beagle


FastBikerBoy


This is the anti thread to the "Sound Quality of Sonar" thread. As soon as they touch each other they'll destroy themselves.


It might cause the forum to collapse on itself and pull us all into the singularity that will form.


Beagle, I don't know how to tell you this but I believe your avatar might be wearing a mask....

you mean it's not Halloween?
 
 
 
 
 
reading these forums you coulda fooled me.....

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Re:Whatcha think? Thoughts on PC2A T-Type Leveling Amplifier 2012/03/29 15:43:07 (permalink)
I suspected it might be a ploy to slow Bapu down. He'll think you've gone missing from the forum for a while and his posting rate will slow down a little, allowing you to increase your lead a bit more.
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Re:Whatcha think? Thoughts on PC2A T-Type Leveling Amplifier 2012/03/29 15:47:34 (permalink)
no, you might not recognize him, but this is "The Count" from Sesame Street, a popular US kids' public TV show.

this is to show bapu and others that post count does matter to some people including "The Count"

yeah, bit of a stretch, you had to be there in that thread....

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Re:Whatcha think? Thoughts on PC2A T-Type Leveling Amplifier 2012/03/29 15:51:11 (permalink)
Ah got it. I've heard of Sesame street but never seen it...
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Re:Whatcha think? Thoughts on PC2A T-Type Leveling Amplifier 2012/03/29 15:56:42 (permalink)

Oh I see.


'Count'...



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Re:Whatcha think? Thoughts on PC2A T-Type Leveling Amplifier 2012/03/29 15:59:10 (permalink)

The space you have will always be exceeded in direct proportion to the amount of stuff you have...Thornton's Postulate.

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Re:Whatcha think? Thoughts on PC2A T-Type Leveling Amplifier 2012/03/29 17:55:29 (permalink)
because "The Count" really does matter....


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Re:Whatcha think? Thoughts on PC2A T-Type Leveling Amplifier 2012/03/29 19:05:39 (permalink)
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PS... Is the PC2A really a VST?   


If I may, it seems like a more pertinent question might be:

Would the PC2A run bug free if it was "dual moduled" and used as a normal or real VST in the FX bin?

I think it's the PC architecture that's buggared. I know it seems like each  made by Cakewalk ProChannel module has been released with a bug but I'll bet all those bugs have more to do with the PC channel strip and it's  implementation than the actual signal processing. I'll bet the VST part of the made by Cakewalk PC modules work great. It seems ironic that you pay extra so you can only use the Cakewalk modules in PC and then you don't really have a chance to know if they work better as "normal" VST plugins


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I don't mean to sound like a ProChannel fanboy, as I'm really just a believer in the use what you want to use and care little for whatever others choose to use, type person, but I find your thought that it's the architecture that's buggy because each module released has had bugs to be the logical conclusion, a bit of your bias coming to the surface..  Color me surprised - software with bugs. Who would have thought? 


So by your reasoning, if they had simply made them VST plugins they could have remained at version 1.0 forever.  Furthermore all the VST plugins that I own have only been updated when features have been added?  Never to fix bugs?   


All software has bugs - to assume it's the ProChannel architecture to blame for problems people have had, many of which are inconsistent in nature or unreproducible for others, really seems driven by your dislike of the ProChannel feature and not the demonstrated logic you usually base you observations on.


I'll admit that I like ProChannel, but readily admit it's as likely to have bugs as any other software product I own.  It's impossible to test software with every combination of hardware and software the end user may be using at any given moment so bugs are likely to be found after a product is released and required bug fixes put in place.  


Just seems like a bit of a stretch to me to make that assumption.









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Re:Whatcha think? Thoughts on PC2A T-Type Leveling Amplifier 2012/03/29 19:25:16 (permalink)
How the helll you guyz got the limiter at 10 dollars !!! ????

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Cake , i want my limiter ...

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