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Re:Goodbye Cake 2011/01/29 16:47:21 (permalink)
though bapu says post count matters not, these threads are good for helping with that count that isn't supposed to matter.

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Re:Goodbye Cake 2011/01/29 16:49:06 (permalink)
And one more.............. edit hehe
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Re:Goodbye Cake 2011/01/29 16:49:18 (permalink)
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though bapu says post count matters not, these threads are good for helping with that count that isn't supposed to matter.

Gotta point there....

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Re:Goodbye Cake 2011/01/29 16:50:13 (permalink)
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g_randybrown


I find it uncanny that so many "long time" CW users come to the forum for the very first time recently and post this sort of thing...I guess it can happen but seems pretty coincidental.


You mean like all the people that popped up after X1 hit the warez sites and say they love X1?

Personal attack, Personal attack. It works for me so I must be warez? Yes I warezed CWPA6,7,8,9,S1,3,4,5,6,7,8.
Got me, Darn you are so clever. Your the man.

 
 
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Re:Goodbye Cake 2011/01/29 16:50:34 (permalink)
This forum has truly degenerated into a very hostile environment.   I basically see two factions:

1.  The dedicated fan boy.  This poster will defend Cakewalk and Sonar to no end.  He will attack anyone who has a problem with X1 whether their problem is legitimate or not.  His sense of loyalty is actually misguided and baseless,  yet he feels as though he is a part of something and simply cannot let go.   The fact that the fan boy actually may be having real problems with X1 only fuels this blind fanatical loyalty driving him to defend Cakewalk/Sonar even more.

2.   The sky diver.  He is ready to jump ship.  He comes here to vent his frustrations in a place where some may sympathize with his disposition,  and others (namely the fanboy) will find a new enemy to set their sites on.  This person actually wants desperately to stay with Cakewalk,  but has succumb to his own frustrations with a less than perfect program.

I can sympathize with both sides,  but this is really getting to be childish and ridiculous.   

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Re:Goodbye Cake 2011/01/29 16:53:21 (permalink)
What is childish and ridiculous is joining a forum to say goodbye

EDIT changed if the OP changes the title
post edited by chrisharbin - 2011/01/29 17:24:39

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Re:Goodbye Cake 2011/01/29 16:54:40 (permalink)
I give up. The event viewer will tell you everything that's going south on your computer. Just look at the dumps.

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Re:Goodbye Cake 2011/01/29 16:56:46 (permalink)
edit, fell for the bait.
post edited by chrisharbin - 2011/01/29 17:24:01

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Re:Goodbye Cake 2011/01/29 16:57:57 (permalink)
megh....could go with either, or, .......> neither

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Re:Goodbye Cake 2011/01/29 16:58:06 (permalink)
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DOH! I just got your avatar........very nice indeed



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Re:Goodbye Cake 2011/01/29 17:00:06 (permalink)
kb420


This forum has truly degenerated into a very hostile environment....

.....I can sympathize with both sides,  but this is really getting to be childish and ridiculous.   

Amen to that
 
Gentlemen, I'd ask you to contrast some of the behaviour in here with something wonderful that's happening over in the (often maligned) Coffee House, in this thread specifically: Our good friend Jimmy
 
Jimmy's a long time Cakewalk user and a helpful and friendly guy who posts mainly in the Songs forum.
 
Poor guy has been diagnosed with cancer - sadly he has no job and insurance so the Coffee House community has started up a fund to raise money to help see him through this distressing and indeed life threatening period of his life.
 
Take a look, maybe even send the guy a donation.
 
If nothing else, at least read it and get some perspective.
 
Thanks for reading
 
 
Steve
 
 
 

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Re:Goodbye Cake 2011/01/29 17:00:21 (permalink)
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This forum has truly degenerated into a very hostile environment.   I basically see two factions:

1.  The dedicated fan boy.  This poster will defend Cakewalk and Sonar to no end.  He will attack anyone who has a problem with X1 whether their problem is legitimate or not.  His sense of loyalty is actually misguided and baseless,  yet he feels as though he is a part of something and simply cannot let go.   The fact that the fan boy actually may be having real problems with X1 only fuels this blind fanatical loyalty driving him to defend Cakewalk/Sonar even more.

2.   The sky diver.  He is ready to jump ship.  He comes here to vent his frustrations in a place where some may sympathize with his disposition,  and others (namely the fanboy) will find a new enemy to set their sites on.  This person actually wants desperately to stay with Cakewalk,  but has succumb to his own frustrations with a less than perfect program.

I can sympathize with both sides,  but this is really getting to be childish and ridiculous.   

What's ridiculous is your post-so if we are not saying good bye we are fan boys? 853 works great for me, X1a works OK so far for my needs. So in  your mind I am a fan boy. Jeeezzz.
Edit: You see there are some like me-when we have a nice positive thread going and some (whatever) pops in for the 1,000th time just to be negative-Yep-I get mad. And I will everytime.
post edited by stratman70 - 2011/01/29 17:02:26

 
 
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Re:Goodbye Cake 2011/01/29 17:00:56 (permalink)
Over the years, it's been amazing how on this forum we could go on & on about something that is not helpful or on topic wrt helping each other with the product.  More social threads, I guess.  Though non-content related, they're usually kinda fun. 

The odd thing about this forum since X1 came out, the feelings have sharpened.   The non-content threads have become very bitter & folks take sides.  Largely a waste of time.  But these threads get the most posts.   Go figure.   I guess it's fun to question each other's motivations.   I guess our social threads have become anti-social threads in the face of a problematic release. 

I normally stay away from non-content posts.   But I just had to join in & add nothing myself.  

Thus, I, too, would NOT take that bet on 5 pages...   

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Re:Goodbye Cake 2011/01/29 17:05:26 (permalink)
Ya these threads are like catnip for Cake fanboys.  I say 6 pages at LEAST!
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Re:Goodbye Cake 2011/01/29 17:05:40 (permalink)
edit, he seems to be asking for help and people are trying to help....fair enough
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Re:Goodbye Cake 2011/01/29 17:08:09 (permalink)
Hey FBB,

I went through the all the plugs in a project one by one as advised by tech support. Several plugs caused crashes. 3rd party ones included: Redline reverb, Amplitube 3, T-Racks classic EQ & Classic Compressor. CW ones that caused crashes: VX Vocal strip and the LP-64 Multiband compressor.

However, if you shut down the machine, restart, reload the project, and go through the exact same steps again, some of the plugs would work just fine. Also, when I load the same project into 8.5.3, it works just fine. I'm pretty sure CW support was baffled by this. Hence them taking my system specs to their lab to recreate the problem.

I tried reinstalling a few of the plugs on my own to see if that would help- Nope.

Someone also mentioned it could be a memory issue: I built the PC myself, but had the RAM tested when I purchased it from the store, so I don't think that is the issue. Also, it works well in other DAWs.

Thanks for the suggestions.

D
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Re:Goodbye Cake 2011/01/29 17:10:26 (permalink)
Middleman


Hey Brandon, before I help Disturbed1, can you look up his email and tell me if he is a registered user? I don't want to help someone who owns a cracked copy.


Dude... Really?

I own a legit copy. (of 8, 8.5, and X1) (and now pro tools 9.

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Re:Goodbye Cake 2011/01/29 17:13:45 (permalink)
So it is plugins that cause the crash?  A project sans plugins works fine?  Do new X1a scratch projects work ok?   That is, non-legacy projects.

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Re:Goodbye Cake 2011/01/29 17:20:45 (permalink)
Disturbed 1: could you please change your thread title since people are trying to help you? It will help to keep some of the junk away.

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Re:Goodbye Cake 2011/01/29 17:21:24 (permalink)
chrisharbin


Again the only fact that has any relevance is he joined today to say goodbye. This is FAIL at the very least. You can expect silly comments and general dislike when someone joins a forum to troll.

MANY of us would have been willing to help, but nope. No help wanted (a tired old story isn't it?) There is yet another person who joined today and people are kindly trying to help them out. Interesting, don't you think?


 I never needed help with any other version of Sonar. That's the only reason my first post was today. Honestly, I never thought of trying the forums, I'd never even seen them until today. I'm not some Cakewalk hating defector.... and I'm willing to see if I can get X1 working. Have a look at the issues I've been having in the above post. Let me know if you have any ideas. And please try to stop passing judgment before you know the whole story.

D
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Re:Goodbye Cake 2011/01/29 17:22:18 (permalink)
edit

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Re:Goodbye Cake 2011/01/29 17:23:23 (permalink)
@Disturbed1:
Neither on my notebook nor on a similar system (AMD Phenom II 940, Win 7-32) I run into these kinds of crashes.
I ran into several bugs decribed in this forum, but not into constant instability.

So, while I fear I can't guess the source of your trouble (of course I think - like most - that X1 should run more stable on different systems and with different configurations), my only idea is centered around your plugins or a driver problem again.

When you had a clean Win 7 new install of x1, did you check a simple install without third party plugins first?
I just ask, because adding plugins one by one sometimes helps to identify a source of trouble.


However: if I were going through really big trouble like some of us, without getting a clue after several efforts in reasonable time, I would consider one of two things just as well:
a) wait for the 1b update while complaining about an altogether unuseable version and using somtehing else in the meantime or
b) leave X1 altogether for something which works better for me
Both are completely legitimate reactions of course.

But since I, as I said, have only limited trouble, and happen to like X1 a lot for various reasons, I'm trying to get by until the 1b update and help others doing so, even if only in a few cases where I know something or have an idea.

I had no problems with your goodbye post: it is not only your right to do so, but also a feedback, that the update is urgent.

But I also admit, that I have quit this forum for one or two weeks now, just because I find many comments in here not helpful at all (to say the leeast!), while we well know that the Cakewalk staff is busy working to get problems fixed, and while we try to help each other to get by until then as good as we can.

I feel a strong dislike for people who seem to feel all too well bashing through every day until the announced update. I would bash only, if I got the impression, that Cakewalk just wouldn't care. But that's obviously not the case. And nearly everyone has used a working DAW before X1, which he or she can rely on for the time being in mission critical cases. So yes (not aimed at you personally), besides well justified criticism there is a lot of self-complacent ox frog behavior in here!


P.S.    I wasn't aware I would meet half a dozen answers in between in such short time ;-)
post edited by jimknopf - 2011/01/29 17:26:02
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Re:Goodbye Cake 2011/01/29 17:30:44 (permalink)
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Hey FBB,

I went through the all the plugs in a project one by one as advised by tech support. Several plugs caused crashes. 3rd party ones included: Redline reverb, Amplitube 3, T-Racks classic EQ & Classic Compressor. CW ones that caused crashes: VX Vocal strip and the LP-64 Multiband compressor.

However, if you shut down the machine, restart, reload the project, and go through the exact same steps again, some of the plugs would work just fine. Also, when I load the same project into 8.5.3, it works just fine. I'm pretty sure CW support was baffled by this. Hence them taking my system specs to their lab to recreate the problem.

I tried reinstalling a few of the plugs on my own to see if that would help- Nope.

Someone also mentioned it could be a memory issue: I built the PC myself, but had the RAM tested when I purchased it from the store, so I don't think that is the issue. Also, it works well in other DAWs.

Thanks for the suggestions.

D


The event viewer suggestion as suggested by some is reasonable but I would suggest probably limited in the info. I'd guess that'll just tell you Sonar has caused a problem, like you didn't already know that. Presumably tech support have asked for any dump files that may have been generated.

Have you tried running the task manager and keeping an eye on the memory use as you try and load plugs? There may be some sort of pattern that you notice from that method.

If the plugins that cause the problems vary, it may be that plugins are a red herring and the problem lies elsewhere. Memory usage/leak would be one such area.

Sorry I can't be more help. I'm guessing if tech support can't help there's probably not many on here can either but fresh minds bring fresh ideas.

It may also help if as already suggested you changed the thread title - if only to keep some of the feeding frenzy away.
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Re:Goodbye Cake 2011/01/29 17:33:34 (permalink)
I'm kind of puzzled about why it could work on essentially the same platform with some people and yet not do the same on someone else's...and that is with the same platform...

...and, yeah, it might be an idea to see what the mem dump files show..

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Re:Goodbye Cake 2011/01/29 17:40:24 (permalink)
OK,

Thanks for all the help. I can't believe how many people are posting.

I'd like to fix X1 if I could, as I have $99 tied up in it. So I'm open to suggestions. Thing is, it's currently uninstalled on my workstation as I put Pro tools in it's place. I'll re-install it today, and give it another shot. Thamks again.

Chrisharbin: I'll change the name of the thread asap.

D




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Re:Goodbye Cake 2011/01/29 17:40:52 (permalink)
@disturbed1 - I've also just noticed you built your own system. It'll be worth your while just running something like Memtest.

I doubt it's the problem if 8.x is running okay but a worthwhile exercise all the same.
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Re:Goodbye Cake 2011/01/29 17:42:29 (permalink)
Jumbicat


Windows Event Viewer?  Nothing in the file with Sonar?


Could you be a bit more specific?

D
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Re:Goodbye Cake 2011/01/29 17:46:17 (permalink)
trimph1


I'm kind of puzzled about why it could work on essentially the same platform with some people and yet not do the same on someone else's..
 
People use different features, there are the users who throw in 5 tracks and import some urban techno dubstep triphow whatever loops and applaud how GREAT that works,  and others with 100 MIDI tracks running to VSTi having a chrash fest und find countless bugs, yet others, mostly the known fanbois here who obviously do nothing than opening the program and look at it, but mostly work on their post count here at the forum.
 
Still puzzled?
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Re:Goodbye Cake 2011/01/29 17:47:04 (permalink)
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Jumbicat



DOH! I just got your avatar........very nice indeed


Thanks. I've been meaning to ask someone at Cakewalk to ask around (maybe Henershott) who did the artwork in the early days.
This was the icon for Cakewalk Apprentice program that ran in the Windows for Workgroups days.



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Re:Goodbye Cake 2011/01/29 17:49:51 (permalink)
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chrisharbin


Again the only fact that has any relevance is he joined today to say goodbye. This is FAIL at the very least. You can expect silly comments and general dislike when someone joins a forum to troll.

MANY of us would have been willing to help, but nope. No help wanted (a tired old story isn't it?) There is yet another person who joined today and people are kindly trying to help them out. Interesting, don't you think?


I never needed help with any other version of Sonar. That's the only reason my first post was today. Honestly, I never thought of trying the forums, I'd never even seen them until today. I'm not some Cakewalk hating defector.... and I'm willing to see if I can get X1 working. Have a look at the issues I've been having in the above post. Let me know if you have any ideas. And please try to stop passing judgment before you know the whole story.

D

No, you right, I did and I'm sorry.

And the thread title is now far more appropriate imho


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