ProjectM

SteveStrummerUK

bapu

Wow, so you can play it with your clothes on too...
 
 

Only for illustration purposes....
 
 
But what I came here to say: Ya'll know this thread is going to suck unless it reach 50 pages?

FastBikerBoy

trimph1


ROFLMAO!!!  This is a perfectly derailed thread!!!

I'm not sure it was ever railed in the first place was it?

John T


Which daw has the best highs?

trimph1

John T


Which daw has the best highs?

No No No...we got it all worgn!!!  


Now we see this!!!


http://www.prosoundweb.com/article/purple_sounds_best_a_matter_of_mass_psychology/P1/

John T


Danny: I live literally two or three minutes walk from Manchester Ritz. Small world. 

Danny Danzi

Scott Lee


Very interesting thread. 

Once you filter out or block the basement spin team looking just to argue, we have established two results. One group states Sonar sounds superior to protools for example, then the other camp will call anyone crazy for thinking daws sound different.  Can we have it both ways? So if I'm a guitar player and x1 colors my mix better then protools, then indeed the engines have something going on under the hood. Or does that only work when it favors my beliefs?

Here we go again? It was established early in this thread that a null test on a single track would most likely be comparable in results. In fact, it was also mentioned user errors can be a culprit. When we compose with Sonar, we all use different means to produce music. Some are heavily dependent on midi, some elastic audio. Do we all share the paths getting from point a to b? How many times have you asked yourself "oh I didn't know you could do that this way!"


Now, knowing the endless possiblies we approach our music, we can also link the possibly that bugs will be found according to how the end users produce, what methods are used. I still suspect that how the audio is piped, routed, or mixed can influence that null perfect signal we all want. This can by why some see it some don't.


The forums I believe should be for intelligent debates. We might not all agree on the topic at hand, but strive to improve what we are all passioniate about - X1. I'd like to see Sonar used more in the industry, but we also need to address problems that folks have not insult or downplay the customers. We are all keeping Cakewalk afloat by being long term users of the software.


Best regards,

Well Scott, I admit to being in the camp where I do not believe they color the sound. That said, I am NOT in the camp that would call you or anyone else experiencing this, "crazy". I can only speak for myself and produced a pretty credible test that complied with what the OP mentioned. I don't know if you heard my test samples, but in my opinion and that of others, there were no blatantly obvious differences other than human performance issues because I literally played the same piece individually into each DAW I tested as well as exported from each one.
 
I would think if there was a problem, it would be pretty obvious. It's not like a DAW would just color one instrument and not another, right? I didn't even use a good soundcard to further prove things. I have done this same test with various soundcards of great quality and converters such as Lynx, Apogee, RME, and Echo. I get the same results no matter what DAW I use as long as the same interface is used as well.
 
My front end is always the same. Either a direct box or mic's going through a console. One other thing I wanted to bring to your attention that others here as well as myself are sort of bugged about is, you made a few serious claims here which we questioned. We questioned them because you didn't provide any proof other than your text. I'm not calling you out or attempting to make you have to justify anything, but when you make the claims you have made in this thread without showing any audio examples at all, how can you expect people to really buy into it?
 
As soon as I read this thread and what people were saying, I took 10 minutes to record a little piece in each DAW using a clean sound with Guitar Rig 4 and a basic preset we all have. I ran out of a guitar pre-amp that I use that was on bypass. When in bypass mode, it sounds and works exactly like a direct box. Two low Z in's to my Mackie 32x8 console on two channels, no pre-amp from the console used, channel faders at unity/center, board eq disabled, out of the board into 1/8 inch line in to a Realtek card recording at 16/44 with an input of -3dB peak vias master fader on my console. I did this test purposely from my house using my crap system in order to show what a regular, ordinary customer may get.
 
Studio One 2, Sonar X1 Expanded and Reaper were used. I have the latest updates on all three. I recorded each part inside of a different DAW giving me 3 different performances exported out of each DAW it was created in. The results? They sounded identical. Forget nulls and all that stuff for a second...do a test like I did and let your ears be the judge. If we have to do a null test to show us something that we can't hear on our own, how much of a difference could there be? Even if the null test shows a difference, the way you described your problem on here...it should be blatantly obvious there is a color change. We should also be able to hear this colorization if it truly exists. Is there any way you can give us some steps to recreate so we can try to hear what you hear?
 
Make it basic like I did. If you are using an analog front end that we can't duplicate, what if you got rid of it and tried the same tests just to see if we can get what you get? It should be easy enough to do. You should be able to take a DI right into your DAWs of choice and get these anomalies you hear. If you can get them, so can we unless something in your set-up is different somewhere. But I'm willing to try whatever you say to attempt to duplicate your findings. But you gotta work with me/us. :)
 
I'm really interested in getting to what may be causing the stuff you hear. I never once thought you or anyone else was crazy....I just wish I could duplicate what you hear so I could jump on the train and help to fix what you think may be broken if indeed it IS broken. But if I can't hear it and I don't see any proof with some merit behind it, it makes it tougher to swallow man, know what I mean?
 
-Danny