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Re:Sound Quality of Sonar X1 2012/03/14 10:27:36 (permalink)
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Really. You have test data for this? Next person who says "I can hear it" gets shot. Twice. In the face.

 
I can hear it.


But I'd prefer you not to shoot all over my face.
 
 
 
 
 
Ooer, that didn't come out right
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Neither did that.......... oh dear, where's my razor blade

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Re:Sound Quality of Sonar X1 2012/03/14 10:33:16 (permalink)
What a 64 bit signal path does is put the *possibility* of cumulative audio degradation so far away that for all practical purposes, you can assume that this is a solved problem from now until the end of time. It does *not* provide an automatic increase in quality. The possibility of audio degredation is reasonably remote for many typical situations even in 32 bit. And 32 bit is *not* automatically inferior sounding. The main advantage of 64 bit is that it enables you to completely disregard bit depth as a concern, rather than the previous situation where it you could mostly disregard it. That's really all there is to it.

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Re:Sound Quality of Sonar X1 2012/03/14 10:40:52 (permalink)

It has been well established that the mix engineer must moisturize his or her hands well before sitting at the board or the mix will come out scratchy and discombobulated (and you do NOT want a discombobulated mix! At least not by accident). It's even been shown that this happens when mixing entirely ITB [see "Einstein-Rosen Bridges and particulate matter in the mixing and production of moderne music" in Musical Science Decennial, vol 2a, pages 112-138, 1955...although there they are speaking more about punch card and paper loop VSTs and 2" tape, but the concepts translate].


As I don't always have the time to do proper moisturizing, I purchased some "Mix gLoves" from a reputable dealer online in the parking lot of the local music store (he had a WiFi enabled laptop) and only cost me $238.99 for two reusable pair. They recommended the softer disposable version, but I can't justify the monthly fee and two year contract. And they also were pushing pretty hard the body suit as well. Apparently, these keep the microgravitational emanations from your sloughing cells from your hand causing the electrons inside the computer or in the mixing board from de-coupling from the sound waves and thus make the eventual acoustic vibrations more pure. And they're 64 bit compatible: they had a "Tested and Verified" sticker on the package!


I can really hear the difference of my mixes wearing the Mix gLoves: they simply feel cleaner.


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Re:Sound Quality of Sonar X1 2012/03/14 10:47:06 (permalink)
Glad you're enjoying your Mix gLoves.

Please bear in mind due to the recent economy and exchange rates I cannot repeat the $238.99 limited offer.  I can however guarantee if you can find them at a higher price anywhere I will gladly charge the extra.

I can't say fairer than that.

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Re:Sound Quality of Sonar X1 2012/03/14 10:47:36 (permalink)
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MacPro's sound much more betterer than those other things....
Funny you should say that.  I was hitting one with my drumstick today and it did indeed sound better than my PC.  More of a "twang" compared to the PC's "thwak"

I heard that the PC thwak sits better in the mix.


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Re:Sound Quality of Sonar X1 2012/03/14 10:47:57 (permalink)
They seem very useful, Oscar. At NAMM I met Bob from BetterEarsForMixing.com. Mixing is 20% hands but 80% hearing. The human ear isn't large enough for mixing so he was selling iMixEars http://www.mobile-ent.biz...314c66443ce0d3c647.jpg Not just practical but discreet too
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Re:Sound Quality of Sonar X1 2012/03/14 11:14:04 (permalink)
Well, strikingly, your offer is a good one! I did see on ebay the same pair for $340 (plus $200 shipping in a hermetically sealed envelope), so I certainly couldn't go less more than that plus maybe another 10%, my sense of financial matters being what they are: it wouldn't be fair.

I do need those iMixEars, though, because my Voldemort-like sound gatherers simply aren't cutting it. To overcome the problem I recreated this rig below for my monitoring room. It's a bit midrangey, but the mixes translate directly to the brain at high volume. Isn't it amazing how you can change a pioneer system using only a bit of duct tape and tin/ aluminum foil? Regardless, it would be nice to get the iMixEars and get my living room back and find some more appropriately sized monitors. 




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Re:Sound Quality of Sonar X1 2012/03/14 11:19:08 (permalink)
oops: sorry Jonbouy, I became confused: it was YOU who had the gloves. Obviously there will now be a bidding war and I have a feeling I'm going to have to sell some valuables. Anybody on here want to buy a Vintage installation of Sonar 4 on a custom PII with a 20GB HDD and 512MB of RAM?!? I'll throw in M-Audio PCI AND Sound Blaster Pro interfaces. It's classic, you know!

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Re:Sound Quality of Sonar X1 2012/03/14 11:19:51 (permalink)
I'm afraid that I take issue with the claims that Sonar is best for scrabble. I may be a fanboi but credit where credit is due. Sonar is very poor for scrabble. It scores 5.

Cubase & Protools on the other hand both easily double that to 10, logic and reaper both come in with an 8. King of the hill though is Albeton Live with a whopping 16.

There you go another X1 myth debunked. 
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Re:Sound Quality of Sonar X1 2012/03/14 11:21:38 (permalink)
Sonar is excellent at Words With Friends, however. Much better than Protools and slightly out performing Studio 1.

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Re:Sound Quality of Sonar X1 2012/03/14 11:28:16 (permalink)
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I'm afraid that I take issue with the claims that Sonar is best for scrabble. I may be a fanboi but credit where credit is due. Sonar is very poor for scrabble. It scores 5.

Cubase & Protools on the other hand both easily double that to 10, logic and reaper both come in with an 8. King of the hill though is Albeton Live with a whopping 16.

There you go another X1 myth debunked. 

 
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Re:Sound Quality of Sonar X1 2012/03/14 11:43:48 (permalink)
Anyone have any ideas as to what DAW is best for 'Twister'?

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Re:Sound Quality of Sonar X1 2012/03/14 11:50:54 (permalink)
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Anyone have any ideas as to what DAW is best for 'Twister'?

 
You're not taking this at all seriously are you?
 
 

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Re:Sound Quality of Sonar X1 2012/03/14 12:05:04 (permalink)
I wouldn't use Reaper for Twister. It's got a small footprint.
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Re:Sound Quality of Sonar X1 2012/03/14 12:16:06 (permalink)
this thread has had the **** kikd outa It, time to move on !
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Re:Sound Quality of Sonar X1 2012/03/14 12:25:00 (permalink)
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this thread has had the **** kikd outa It, time to move on !
That is like saying the boxing match had too much hitting and not enough dancing.
There needed to be more choreography as it didn't match the music very well.
 
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Re:Sound Quality of Sonar X1 2012/03/14 12:25:06 (permalink)
I noticed in the store there's a Scrabbler's Guide to SONAR [Paperback] by Craig Anderton £19.95.

Cool Whip.
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Re:Sound Quality of Sonar X1 2012/03/14 12:27:01 (permalink)
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I noticed in the store there's a Scrabbler's Guide to SONAR [Paperback] by Craig Anderton £19.95.

Cool Whip.
Yeah, but what was cool is it included a free copy of the Sonar Forum
crosswords!
 
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Re:Sound Quality of Sonar X1 2012/03/14 12:30:24 (permalink)
Jonbouy


Anyone have any ideas as to what DAW is best for 'Twister'?


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Jonbouy


Anyone have any ideas as to what DAW is best for 'Twister'?

 
You're not taking this at all seriously are you?
 
 


strikinglyhandsome1


I wouldn't use Reaper for Twister. It's got a small footprint.


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Re:Sound Quality of Sonar X1 2012/03/14 12:35:53 (permalink)
Thanks Ed, Reason it is then...

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Re:Sound Quality of Sonar X1 2012/03/14 12:40:44 (permalink)
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Wow, so you can play it with your clothes on too...
 
 

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Re:Sound Quality of Sonar X1 2012/03/14 12:41:10 (permalink)
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Well, strikingly, your offer is a good one! I did see on ebay the same pair for $340 (plus $200 shipping in a hermetically sealed envelope), so I certainly couldn't go less more than that plus maybe another 10%, my sense of financial matters being what they are: it wouldn't be fair.

I do need those iMixEars, though, because my Voldemort-like sound gatherers simply aren't cutting it. To overcome the problem I recreated this rig below for my monitoring room. It's a bit midrangey, but the mixes translate directly to the brain at high volume. Isn't it amazing how you can change a pioneer system using only a bit of duct tape and tin/ aluminum foil? Regardless, it would be nice to get the iMixEars and get my living room back and find some more appropriately sized monitors. 


Come on Oscar, own up, that's CJ's mastering suite is it not?


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Re:Sound Quality of Sonar X1 2012/03/14 12:52:03 (permalink)
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FastBikerBoy


I'm afraid that I take issue with the claims that Sonar is best for scrabble. I may be a fanboi but credit where credit is due. Sonar is very poor for scrabble. It scores 5.

Cubase & Protools on the other hand both easily double that to 10, logic and reaper both come in with an 8. King of the hill though is Albeton Live with a whopping 16.

There you go another X1 myth debunked. 

 
Carl, the fanboi in you need not be alarmed, "SONAR X-One-D Expanded" gets you a whopping 37 points, plus 50 points bonus for a 7-letter or longer word
 
 


Phew!! I thought for a minute there I was going to have to jump ship, like some do because the PRVs the wrong colour or something.....
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Re:Sound Quality of Sonar X1 2012/03/14 12:57:02 (permalink)
Ok you all know that Pro tools is best for pop (plastic Music) Studio One is the best for classical, Jazz, electrik, Funk, Dance, potato mash, spaghetti bolognese, HotPot and country.

Sonar is good for a coffee mat, cd in the mirror, ear muffs and Becan!

Have I brought this thread to a all new low....hmmm...lets hope so

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Re:Sound Quality of Sonar X1 2012/03/14 13:12:55 (permalink)

Come on Oscar, own up, that's CJ's mastering suite is it not?

Kiosk: I did, in fact, copy CJ's specs bolt for bolt. But I added the plaques ! Yep, that was all me: the one on the right fixes a node in the 12kHz range and looks good doing it. The little red suckers help the sound be less green than otherwise.

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Re:Sound Quality of Sonar X1 2012/03/14 13:18:26 (permalink)
Shakespeare said it best when he said 'All the world's a studio, and all the men and token woman merely players; They have their DAWs and their Vst plug-ins, and one man in his time plays many parts and cheats using loops, he sings a wop bop a loo bop a lop bam boom! Tutti frutti, oh rutti, tutti frutti, oh rutti and then Autotunes the life out of it.'
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Re:Sound Quality of Sonar X1 2012/03/14 16:11:15 (permalink)
The OP offered a sugestion!![thanks]

The EMU 1616m comes with Sonar 6LE they look ok, but that is 8 years old is it not?

What kind of latency do you get with your EMU?

All the EMU's around here are flightless birds!

The male EMU sits on the nest and brings up the kids.

What next?

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Re:Sound Quality of Sonar X1 2012/03/14 16:22:30 (permalink)
Have you tried the Cassowary 2020x? Latency is -2ms. You hear it before you've even pressed play. It anticipates what you're about to record with forward thinking technology. That's the future here today.
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Re:Sound Quality of Sonar X1 2012/03/14 16:24:50 (permalink)
I hear the colours aren't very good though.

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Re:Sound Quality of Sonar X1 2012/03/14 16:42:56 (permalink)
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Wow, so you can play it with your clothes on too...
 
 

Only for illustration purposes....
 
 
But what I came here to say: Ya'll know this thread is going to suck unless it reach 50 pages?

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