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RE: Sonar 8 Wish List
2008/03/31 20:36:36
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* Add a Strength amount to the velocity dialog that works like the Strength field in the Quantize dialog, so as to even up velocities without making them all exactly the same
* True tabbed windows, like I thought Sonar 7 was going to have
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robert.t
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RE: Sonar 8 Wish List
2008/03/31 20:39:23
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ORIGINAL: jkoseattle
* Add a Strength amount to the velocity dialog that works like the Strength field in the Quantize dialog, so as to even up velocities without making them all exactly the same
cant you do that using the midi plugin? Rob
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RE: Sonar 8 Wish List
2008/04/03 13:32:07
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ORIGINAL: Fleagle
a related idea would be if you could browse sonar tracks from other projects in the context of your running song -- tempo sync'd of course.
the overall paradigm is building songs from saved bits and ideas.
right on. i'll bet everyone has lots of sonar projects containing ideas and bits, but there is no easy way to audition content from other projects in the one you are working on. that would be wicked, can't think of any prog that has solved that.
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HotCoollMusicGirl
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RE: Sonar 8 Wish List
2008/04/05 04:33:55
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Maybe this has already been mentioned....
I would love to see a "Marker Loop" feature that would let me create and select from a list of paired markers using already defined markers. Selecting a pair from the list would select that time range and use it to define loop points. So if you've got a marker called 'verse 1' and a marker called 'chorus 1' you could easily set up a loop between those two points, and not have to set it up again... and again... if you want to use it again looping between 'chorus 2' and 'bridge,' which would also be a in the Marker Loop list.
Having a toolbar with a dropdown like that would be really convenient. I'm surprised something like this doesn't exist in Sonar already.
Either that, or a Groove Matrix like in Project5. Mmm yeah.
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RE: Sonar 8 Wish List
2008/04/05 05:02:51
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1. One thing, that would be really usefull would be improved notation capability. (proper notation of triads starting on a rest, etc.) If You work on a sketch for a recording, it would be better to print the music for the players directly from Sonar, rather than using another application for that task.
2. Improved stability and bugfixes instead of lots of virtual gadgets. The soft synths and effects included are really great, and they cover all kinds of situations.
3. A good reference manual.
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RE: Sonar 8 Wish List
2008/04/05 08:51:50
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Ok, Batman, riddle me this: does anyone else toggle bypass effects bins (both tracks and busses) on and off for playback and recording, respectively?
In other words, I can't record with any effects on because of the delay in the monitoring, no matter how slight. No big deal, I select all tracks, then bypass effects bin.
BUT, for busses, you can't select all, so I have to go one by one, right clicking bypass effects bin in each bus. Same thing for track and bus sends and EQ, in both tracks and busses.
I've asked this before, but I don't think there is any other way, so I would LOVE to see something to "select all busses" and also some way to toggle all sends and EQs in tracks and busses to on/off and output/none.
Seems small, but over a long day of recording take after take, it's tedious!
Thanks!
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RE: Sonar 8 Wish List
2008/04/05 08:55:57
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1. Stretching of MIDI in realtime. i.e., exactly like the "Length..." function, but in realtime whilst dragging a group of notes such that the durations AND start times are moved. Like in FL Studio when you hold down SHIFT whilst dragging the end of a group of notes. 2. Fix the envelope bugs. (and occasional crashes when shifting and re-assigning orphaned envelopes) 3. Notation symbols that actual send MIDI commands like patch changes, keyswitches etc. (e.g., have "marcatto" send a MIDI keyswitch note or patch change to EWQLSO or Garritan Personal Orchestra) so that they don't have to be programmed manually in the Piano Roll.
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21doors
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RE: Sonar 8 Wish List
2008/04/05 11:56:34
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Goal: Destroy ProTools. Why? Digidesign makes me sick. Leave them the homeland security phone-tapping market. Step 1: Have an option to make the GUI 'streamlined' for advanced users. DEFINATELY smaller buttons, Smaller fonts, Smaller meters (a simple 1-3px wide line is good enough), smaller everything! I'd buy the upgrade if I get to see 32 tracks w/meters, their ins/outs, Mute/Solo/Rec, name, all fit on the left side and take up less than 10 percent of the screen. Step2: I know this is hard, but keep working on the skippy/glitchy artifacts. Even one little tiny glitch per hour is enough to hear the talent say, "what was that? did I skip a beat?". Its no big deal if its a garage band. But when its someone in the Rock and Roll hall of fame, that's embarrassing. We need perfection or Sonar will never get the respect it deserves. Step 3: In the envelope editing section, have an option to "add 3 nodes" or "add 4 nodes" and a keyboard shortcut to add nodes. Whenever one needs to cut a peak, you always need to add at least 3 nodes, and 4 nodes is often required, esp. for adjusting wider sections. If a track need 40 adjustments, your right-clicking hand gets exhausted. At minimum a keyboard shortcut would help... (I've got Sonar 6, maybe this was addressed in Sonar 7 but I haven't noticed it) I'll try to think of more... thanks
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Susan G
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RE: Sonar 8 Wish List
2008/04/05 12:42:13
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I'm surprised something like this doesn't exist in Sonar already. You probably know this, but you can come pretty close using Markers View. You can click on one marker, which sets the selection From that to the next marker, or shift-click to select more than one if you want to loop a range. I have a key binding for Set Loop Points to Selection (which also turns on looping), so I can quickly loop whatever marker region I have selected. -Susan
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Susan G
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RE: Sonar 8 Wish List
2008/04/05 13:16:53
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No doubt mentioned in this thread:
The ability to drag/copy FX from one track to another in TV. We already have this in Console View, but not in TV, AFAICT.
-Susan
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cmusicmaker
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RE: Sonar 8 Wish List
2008/04/05 13:41:16
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ORIGINAL: Susan G
No doubt mentioned in this thread:
The ability to drag/copy FX from one track to another in TV. We already have this in Console View, but not in TV, AFAICT.
-Susan
Apologies in advance if I am wrong here Susan, but this is already possible in the track view. Ctrl then drag to copy FX from one FX bin to another in the TV. Or is that not what you meant???
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Susan G
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RE: Sonar 8 Wish List
2008/04/05 13:47:21
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Ctrl then drag to copy FX from one FX bin to another in the TV. Or is that not what you meant??? That is what I meant, and it's working now!  I must've been dragging, then pressing Ctrl. That usually works for copying (Clips, etc), but in this case you apparently have to press Ctrl first. That's fine, though, and it works, so thanks very much!  -Susan
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Vovchik
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RE: Sonar 8 Wish List
2008/04/05 15:10:01
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I know, the word "cubase" is indecent on this forum, but...  Just like in Cubase.
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Susan G
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RE: Sonar 8 Wish List
2008/04/05 15:18:40
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And a way to customize the options in the Show/Hide MIDI Events button in the upper left of the PRV so not everything is shown by default, and I can eliminate some of those options if I want to.
-Susan
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RE: Sonar 8 Wish List
2008/04/05 16:25:27
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SCROLL WHEEL FUNCTIONALITY ON PLUG-INS! Nuendo has the feature and it is very cool!
Also when using plug-ins the are narrower in demension to the VST/windows menu bar on the top, please make it adjust to accomodate it, thus leaving he plug-in perfectly centered and not leaving a gaping blank space to the right of it (ex: the UAD-1 LA3A)...
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RE: Sonar 8 Wish List
2008/04/05 18:29:22
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ORIGINAL: Susan G
I'm surprised something like this doesn't exist in Sonar already.
You probably know this, but you can come pretty close using Markers View. You can click on one marker, which sets the selection From that to the next marker, or shift-click to select more than one if you want to loop a range. I have a key binding for Set Loop Points to Selection (which also turns on looping), so I can quickly loop whatever marker region I have selected.
-Susan
Hi, Susan, Hey, thanks for that tip. I've never really thought about the markers view as being very useful, except for locating a certain marker. But this makes it pretty useful, indeed. Doh! I just discovered, today, that clip fades can be changed on multiple clips at once by selecting the clips and moving one of the fadeer triangles. I'd been wising for that feature for a long time. It was here all along...... The Bakers really *did* think of just about everything. Best regards, Bill
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Vovchik
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RE: Sonar 8 Wish List
2008/04/06 04:22:19
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ORIGINAL: Cromberger
I just discovered, today, that clip fades can be changed on multiple clips at once by selecting the clips and moving one of the fadeer triangles. Yes, but don't forget to hold SHIFT while moving triangles.
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RE: Sonar 8 Wish List
2008/04/06 05:03:49
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1. One thing, that would be really usefull would be improved notation capability. (proper notation of triads starting on a rest, etc.) If You work on a sketch for a recording, it would be better to print the music for the players directly from Sonar, rather than using another application for that task. I Would agree with that, Cakewalk had a pretty good program a while back called "Overture" Surely some of that code would still be lying around that could be put to use in Sonar 8? For some reason Cakewalk seem to be reluctant to upgrade the Notation, Bit like importing CD Audio tracks which took forever to implement.
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RE: Sonar 8 Wish List
2008/04/06 06:21:08
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Wow. I've always thought that the behavior that holding down the shift key prevents (when the clips are not aligned in parallel lanes) was a small bug. What a great tip. Thank you for posting that! ORIGINAL: Vovchik
ORIGINAL: Cromberger
I just discovered, today, that clip fades can be changed on multiple clips at once by selecting the clips and moving one of the fadeer triangles.
Yes, but don't forget to hold SHIFT while moving triangles.
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RE: Sonar 8 Wish List
2008/04/06 06:49:41
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Yes! I find myself going up-down-up-down-up-down... seems like an odd place for that selection widget. Not very intuitive. ORIGINAL: Vovchik
I know, the word "cubase" is indecent on this forum, but...
Just like in Cubase.
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HotCoollMusicGirl
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RE: Sonar 8 Wish List
2008/04/06 07:15:12
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<< seems like an odd place for that selection widget. >> A lot of things are in odd places. Why are clip and track envelopes buried 3 levels down on the context menu, and (as far as I can tell) are not among the items that can be moved when customizing the menus? I would LOVE to be able to move them to the top level under the right click. They don't seem to be an option in the key binding system either (unless I'm just not seeing it, but I swear I've looked many time over the years....) Customization! Customization! There can never be too much customization! It should also be possible to to select multiple clips and assign clip envs to all of that at once.
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HotCoollMusicGirl
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RE: Sonar 8 Wish List
2008/04/06 07:45:03
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I don't do surround sound, but I was just using the Sonitus Surround effect for the first time as a L-R-L auto panner. It's great! LOL. It would be even nicer if it could sync up with the host the way the delays do. I had to use a delay to find out the path time for syncing the pan in the Surround. Curious how it doesn't have that feature. Seems like a natural.
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RE: Sonar 8 Wish List
2008/04/06 08:30:54
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There was a feature that somehow disappeared that I would like to see added back in. On the PRV view, in the Velocity lane, you used to be able to select notes by drawing a rectangle around velocity stems. This was very handy for certain things. For example, consider a hit hat pattern that has accents and other notes with different velocities. When first creating the Hi Hat pattern, it sounded great. But in the final mix the accents should be louder - or the softer notes should be louder or softer. It was real easy (and intuitive) to select groups of similar velocities by drawing a rectangle around certain velocity ranges. Currently, the only way to do this is to use interpolation - which is a pain. If I'm wrong and this feature still exist somehow - let me know.
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guitartrek
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RE: Sonar 8 Wish List
2008/04/06 10:08:33
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This may already have been mentioned - Save the PRV Window settings for every MIDI track.
In the PRV view - everytime I open it up, it goes back to default settings. So if I open the Drums you can't read all the drum map names and you have to open up that part of the window again to read the names. Also, I can't see all the drum notes so I have to vertically scroll down. Things like that (resizing windows) are a bit of a pain and just wasting valuable time. If you could store all the window settings with each MIDI track and of course use those settings next time you open the track - would be great (very small amount of data). And OK yes what about if you open up multiple MIDI tracks at once? Simple - just choose the first MIDI track in the group (lowest track number) and use it's saved window settings.
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barbaroja
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RE: Sonar 8 Wish List
2008/04/06 12:03:45
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I wish you could copy synth midi clips and not having problems with SONAR not copying the automation. bug#1
When an audio track has a very high clip, SONAR hangs. bug#2
Definitely we need a pattern manager for us electronic music producers.
I wish envelopes update themselves when editing one of many linked clips. bug?
I wish you could use multiple outputs and inputs per track, and route wherever you want in the track view.
A better export function, at least more versatile when choosing tracks, and specially sections.
Best
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Vovchik
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RE: Sonar 8 Wish List
2008/04/06 12:41:05
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ORIGINAL: guitartrek
There was a feature that somehow disappeared that I would like to see added back in. On the PRV view, in the Velocity lane, you used to be able to select notes by drawing a rectangle around velocity stems. This was very handy for certain things. For example, consider a hit hat pattern that has accents and other notes with different velocities. When first creating the Hi Hat pattern, it sounded great. But in the final mix the accents should be louder - or the softer notes should be louder or softer. It was real easy (and intuitive) to select groups of similar velocities by drawing a rectangle around certain velocity ranges. Currently, the only way to do this is to use interpolation - which is a pain. If I'm wrong and this feature still exist somehow - let me know.
Thanks, guitartrek, I'm glad I'm not alone http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.asp?m=1211695&mpage=1&key=� 
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guitartrek
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RE: Sonar 8 Wish List
2008/04/06 14:49:27
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ORIGINAL: Vovchik
ORIGINAL: guitartrek
There was a feature that somehow disappeared that I would like to see added back in. On the PRV view, in the Velocity lane, you used to be able to select notes by drawing a rectangle around velocity stems. This was very handy for certain things. For example, consider a hit hat pattern that has accents and other notes with different velocities. When first creating the Hi Hat pattern, it sounded great. But in the final mix the accents should be louder - or the softer notes should be louder or softer. It was real easy (and intuitive) to select groups of similar velocities by drawing a rectangle around certain velocity ranges. Currently, the only way to do this is to use interpolation - which is a pain. If I'm wrong and this feature still exist somehow - let me know.
Thanks, guitartrek, I'm glad I'm not alone
http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.asp?m=1211695&mpage=1&key=?
Thanks for the screen snapshot! Yeah, I've mentioned this issue a couple of times, but no one seemed to know it actually worked like this. OK - so its you and me so far!
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HotCoollMusicGirl
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RE: Sonar 8 Wish List
2008/04/06 21:26:47
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This isn't a feature request but a more general request for greater consistency throughout the interface, so that common functionality is given a common implementation across different views, and also where conceptually similar functionality is implemented in a more consistent way. Especially between Track View and Console View, and also between the inline PRV and the full PR PRV.
I know that kind of stuff doesn't count the same as new features in a "What's New" list when upgrade time comes around. But neither does it require of CW the same kind of investment in time and brainpower as the careful -- and consistent -- implementation of meaningful new features. A lot of it, maybe most of it, is just simple things. But cumulatively the simple things count.
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guitartrek
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RE: Sonar 8 Wish List
2008/04/06 23:43:19
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Yes is would be nicer to be more consistent for sure.
Here's kindof an example (I beleive) of what you are saying and one that I wanted to bring up here:
Let's say I want to quickly select and copy a clip multiple times.
Midi clip: Select the first clip by clicking on it. Click and drag to a new location. After the copy, the new (second) clip is automatically selected, and the first one is de-selected. If I want to copy again all I have to do is Click and drag that new clip to another new location. The new (third) clip is automatically selected and the second clip is de-selected. And so on.
Audio Clip: Select the first clip by clicking on it. Click and drag to a new location. After the copy, the new (second) clip is automatically selected, but the first one remains selected also. This screws me up because I'm used to the midi clip example, and I accidentaly click and drag the second clip to a new location, but the first clip is also selected and copied.
I wish they both worked the same way.
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