Notecrusher
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RE: Sonar 8 Wish List
2008/04/18 01:17:16
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i saw a LOT of mentions of groove matrix type functionality or as craig anderton put it in his sonar 7 list of missing features "alternative algorithms for composition".
cakewalk brought out p5 in the early days of ableton when ableton was missing functionality that would allow it to compete directly w/ sonar/cubase/logic as a full-featured host. now ableton is a bona fide alternative in the sequencer sweepstakes. i guess for people doing soundtrack work or recording bands this isn't important but for electronic music makers in 2008 it is essential. AND THE CODE IS JUST SITTING THERE IN P5!
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RE: Sonar 8 Wish List
2008/04/18 01:24:38
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i saw a LOT of mentions of groove matrix type functionality or as craig anderton put it in his sonar 7 list of missing features "alternative algorithms for composition".
cakewalk brought out p5 in the early days of ableton when ableton was missing functionality that would allow it to compete directly w/ sonar/cubase/logic as a full-featured host. now ableton is a bona fide alternative in the sequencer sweepstakes. i guess for people doing soundtrack work or recording bands this isn't important but for electronic music makers in 2008 it is essential. AND THE CODE IS JUST SITTING THERE IN P5!
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RE: Sonar 8 Wish List
2008/04/18 01:27:07
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I want a piano view that is adjustable so the keys could be botom ,top or either sideinstead of only on the left
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RE: Sonar 8 Wish List
2008/04/18 01:31:03
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a) Regions that can be linked, moved, rippled, cut, reversed etc.
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b) a smoother, brighter GUI,
would make me happy.
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RE: Sonar 8 Wish List
2008/04/18 01:47:01
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Sonar is Great! Although I can always think of things that I would like to see added to Sonar, there is only one that I will continue to beg for.
#1. Better Grouping including group editing.
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RE: Sonar 8 Wish List
2008/04/20 19:05:04
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would be great if the pattern brush were available from the inline PRV. it's the only thing i have to go to the PRV to use.
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RE: Sonar 8 Wish List
2008/04/20 20:27:46
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the "idea pool" is a great idea, but it should live on the hard drive -- don't make us import all the potential ideas into the current project. maybe it's as simple as defining some new file types we can save and audition in-context.
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RE: Sonar 8 Wish List
2008/04/20 21:55:13
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Yup....the GROUPING thing is a big one. I know they're working on it. Let's see what they come up with. :)
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RE: Sonar 8 Wish List
2008/04/21 09:15:57
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Imrovements on existing features, such as...  
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RE: Sonar 8 Wish List
2008/04/21 16:11:45
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1. Have an feature in track console to A/B settings, where users can group all of the track settings (such as volumes and pans of all tracks) into 2(or more sets) and compare how the mix sounds in different settings (probably in real time). Right now, I have to save the project as a copy everytime I have to make drastic changes to the mix faders etc.
2. Have a "copy properties button", where you can copy certain properties from one note such as velocity from one note to another in the piano roll.
3. Ability to Maximise just the tracks part of the track view -- where all other info/buttons gets hidden. And the ability to toggle it back.
4. Restore the line draw tool, while managing control data in the piano roll.
5. Extend the +/- button functionality to ALL dropdowns in Sonar.
6. (Not sure if this is already there but it would be great to ) Have a magnifier glass in track view just like piano view.
7. (Not sure if this is feasible but it would be great to - ) Have the ability to Save changes to Optm Views within a sonar project, so that I dont have to go modify OPTM views independently every time I load a project.
8. Easier way to make pattern brush patterns.
9. Undo should also undo things within track management, such as hiding a track or changing the volume of a track.
10.Implement bussing within the FX bin for a track, so that we can individually set the signal level from one fx to another
(In this way, I can have different settings for different track, and I dont need to clutter my project with a load of busses)
my $0.02 in this discussion...
(apologies if any of the above was already mentioned earlier)
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RE: Sonar 8 Wish List
2008/04/23 18:16:02
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I think it would be really good if the Undo History list indicated at which point the project was last saved. Obviously saving is not subject to being undone, but it would be helpful to see it in the list. It would also be good if the Undo History list had more detail about the events listed, such as some indication of what object they applied to. That would probably require that the dialog be made larger, but it's pretty small as it is.
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RE: Sonar 8 Wish List
2008/04/24 03:57:51
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ALLOW 70 TRACKS TO BE VISIBLE AT ONCE, and without zooming in BE ABLE TO MUTE/SOLO/ARM, ADJUST FADER, CHANGE INPUTS/OUTPUTS + ACCESS FX/EQ, etc.
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RE: Sonar 8 Wish List
2008/04/25 02:11:57
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It would also be good if the Undo History list had more detail about the events listed, such as some indication of what object they applied to. That would probably require that the dialog be made larger, but it's pretty small as it is.
large dialogs don't seem to be a problem for cakewalk, the export dialog doesn't even fit on my 21" monitor.
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RE: Sonar 8 Wish List
2008/04/25 02:57:49
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If Sonar did what Logic Pro basically did from 7 to 8.... that would be pretty amazing. As of right now what truly separates the different programs is just the interface. It's a matter of what you like using, and Logic totally blew everything else out of the water with the jump from 7 to 8. I'd like to see Sonar catch up.
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RE: Sonar 8 Wish List
2008/04/29 15:14:48
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I´d like to have Sonars Instrument Definitions sort of assignable to soft synth tracks. I really like them. That way it would be possible, to have the PRV show note names as you like them, without struggling with the drummap-editor or having to tell Sonar each time, which note names you prefer for that track.
This is not only usefull with drums, but also with instruments that contain keyswitches or FX-sounds.
Perhaps it would be easier to just make the note name decision (per rightclicking on the keys in PRV) stick, but i am also dreaming of instrument specific controllernames for soft synths...
Sorry, if this was already mentioned
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RE: Sonar 8 Wish List
2008/04/29 16:24:43
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If Sonar did what Logic Pro basically did from 7 to 8.... that would be pretty amazing. As of right now what truly separates the different programs is just the interface. It's a matter of what you like using, and Logic totally blew everything else out of the water with the jump from 7 to 8. I'd like to see Sonar catch up.
they could blow them away if they did what I'm saying. Logic has a serious problem, the same one Sonar has. The pro's are still knocking these systems hard, and its stems from the fact that you can never see everything you are mixing all at once. When pro's go into the studio, they want trouble free environment to work. WHen you've got 40 tracks and the vocalist says 'turn up the lead guitar' and you have to change views, scroll, locate the track, the vocalist is already repeating "turn up the guitar' before you've even got the screen to respond. THe vocalist thinks you are ignoring him or deaf, then you have to say "give me a second' every time a request is put in, which in the analog world is as simple as turning a knob/fader. The customer then thinks the software has issues if everytime they request something simple, time is wasted, time they are paying for. Once is no big deal, but every hour of every day this happens in the studio environment. ProTools HD systems have done their best to conquer this problem by offering external mixer. Sonar could destroy the problem if they offered a way smaller GUI.
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HotCoollMusicGirl
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RE: Sonar 8 Wish List
2008/04/29 16:49:15
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ORIGINAL: rhythmeus
1. Have an feature in track console to A/B settings, where users can group all of the track settings (such as volumes and pans of all tracks) into 2(or more sets) and compare how the mix sounds in different settings (probably in real time). Right now, I have to save the project as a copy everytime I have to make drastic changes to the mix faders etc.
I agree this would be very useful. That's what I originally thought the automation "snapshot" was. There should be a total "mix snapshot" that includes envelopes on clips, tracks, and busses, and other automation. You could save different mixes, and then selectively overlay them on the same set of tracks. Complications: what if you change track order, or delete tracks or clips or busses? Still, there should be some way of dealing with that. 9. Undo should also undo things within track management, such as hiding a track or changing the volume of a track. Totally. Better yet, make every change to a project subject to undo, and then let the user decide which changes actually get fed into the undo buffer. Also... there should be an option for each track/buss to have it's own undo buffer, so if I make a change to track 2 and then make a change to track 3, I can go back and undo the track 2 change while keeping track 3 intact. Also... save each project's undo history to disk, so that you can undo across sessions. This would not only give you unlimited "undo levels" but also have the side benefit of not having to carry undos in memory.
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RE: Sonar 8 Wish List
2008/04/29 21:50:43
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ORIGINAL: 21doors
If Sonar did what Logic Pro basically did from 7 to 8.... that would be pretty amazing. As of right now what truly separates the different programs is just the interface. It's a matter of what you like using, and Logic totally blew everything else out of the water with the jump from 7 to 8. I'd like to see Sonar catch up.
they could blow them away if they did what I'm saying. Logic has a serious problem, the same one Sonar has. The pro's are still knocking these systems hard, and its stems from the fact that you can never see everything you are mixing all at once. When pro's go into the studio, they want trouble free environment to work. WHen you've got 40 tracks and the vocalist says 'turn up the lead guitar' and you have to change views, scroll, locate the track, the vocalist is already repeating "turn up the guitar' before you've even got the screen to respond. THe vocalist thinks you are ignoring him or deaf, then you have to say "give me a second' every time a request is put in, which in the analog world is as simple as turning a knob/fader. The customer then thinks the software has issues if everytime they request something simple, time is wasted, time they are paying for. Once is no big deal, but every hour of every day this happens in the studio environment. ProTools HD systems have done their best to conquer this problem by offering external mixer. Sonar could destroy the problem if they offered a way smaller GUI.
Does HD system hardware mixer have 40 faders?
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RE: Sonar 8 Wish List
2008/04/30 01:39:35
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A search box on the vst plugin menu that works dynamically. As you type it narrows the search much like the search feature in iTunes.
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RE: Sonar 8 Wish List
2008/04/30 01:45:49
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Definitely a human playback function for midi files. Finale Notation Software has human playback related to different genre which can be imported into Sonar but I prefer to work in Sonar than switch between programs.
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RE: Sonar 8 Wish List
2008/04/30 09:17:57
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This may be possible but I've only seen it in Live 6/7: Ability to batch export a project as mutiple wavs, mp3's etc (so one .wav per track, for example). It's very tedious having to solo track 1, export it, then mute it and solo track 2, export it, then mute it and solo track 3, then well you get the idea. Is there a way of doing this in Sonar 7? I would've thought there must be, but no DAW seems to do it other than Live.
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Also, as said by others, a play order track a la Nuendo/Cubase(?) would be great, although I would prefer it if, once committed, the affected tracks were not flattened.
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Also, as said before, easy and intuitive grab-the-edge-of-the-clip-to-stretch-or-shrink-it time editing for audio and midi clips.
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Very simple the next ones, a real 'quick win' in the Console View.
More room for fx in the fx bin - at the moment you're limited to seeing just 4 at a time, and if you want to see more you need to scroll up and down in that fiddly little window.
Next, be able to replace one fx with another without having to delete the first one first.
Next, seeing as we're on a roll, introduce a button on the left hand side for toggling MIDI channels/synth channels etc on and off so you can unclutter things a bit
I'm quite new to Sonar so this is all I can come up with for now.
Oh one more thing, I'd like the same kind of functionality that FL 7 gives you with pattern clips, where you have a screen (the pattern view if I'm correct) built of mutliple rows in which you can place your midi/audio patterns at will. The rows are not tied to midi tracks in any way and you can therefore cut and chop the clips as much as you like, for example row 1 could be a basic drum pattern (clip 1), you could copy a single instance of the clip onto row 2 and then slice it so just a beat with a snare is playing, then liberally pepper that short clip at various places across row 2 so you get a bit of variation without affecting or otherwise having to change the midi clip it came from, and so on.
This is a strange concept to get your head around if you haven't seen it in action, so I'll try and get a screengrab of what it looks like in practice to give you an idea. It does make improvisations (for any intrument or audio) a lot easier, quicker and fun.
One final thing - a program that writes songs for you, mixes for you, publishes for you, and then buys the stuff from you.
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RE: Sonar 8 Wish List
2008/04/30 17:25:51
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This may be possible but I've only seen it in Live 6/7: Ability to batch export a project as mutiple wavs, mp3's etc (so one .wav per track, for example). It's very tedious having to solo track 1, export it, then mute it and solo track 2, export it, then mute it and solo track 3, then well you get the idea. Is there a way of doing this in Sonar 7? I would've thought there must be, but no DAW seems to do it other than Live.
i think live was the LAST daw to implement this. in sonar, ctrl+A to select all tracks. File - Export Audio. in the dlg's Source Category dropdown, select Tracks.
I'd like the same kind of functionality that FL 7 gives you with pattern clips, where you have a screen (the pattern view if I'm correct) built of mutliple rows in which you can place your midi/audio patterns at will. The rows are not tied to midi tracks in any way and you can therefore cut and chop the clips as much as you like, for example row 1 could be a basic drum pattern (clip 1), you could copy a single instance of the clip onto row 2 and then slice it so just a beat with a snare is playing, then liberally pepper that short clip at various places across row 2 so you get a bit of variation without affecting or otherwise having to change the midi clip it came from, and so on.
This is a strange concept to get your head around if you haven't seen it in action, so I'll try and get a screengrab of what it looks like in practice to give you an idea. It does make improvisations (for any intrument or audio) a lot easier, quicker and fun.
that sounds wicked. the sonar team should def look at fruity as well as live for pattern composition ideas, and of course P5.
One final thing - a program that writes songs for you, mixes for you, publishes for you, and then buys the stuff from you.
bro, this joke has been made approximately 7,000,000,000 times..
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RE: Sonar 8 Wish List
2008/04/30 19:23:49
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Fair play. I've tried that export thing now and it's just as you say. Like I said, I was certain it could be done, I just didn't know how.
Yep, the FL clips thing would be great but would be quite possibly a nightmare to manage.
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RE: Sonar 8 Wish List
2008/05/01 03:36:07
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1. a better suite of plugins, cubase and logic are streeets ahead on this! these do not have to be fancy,but workhorses,with simple layouts. 2. a basic timestretch, like cubase. you move the left and right loop markers to desired length and select timestretch. 3. a sampler with key zones and multiple outs. 4. selectable grid lines on sequencer down to 64ths. 5. preview buttons on dropzone,so you can hear the sound your loading! 6. a slice to{8,16,32,64ths} function, when in grooveclips. scince moving from cubase,ive loved sonar,but really miss the cubase plugins. 
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RE: Sonar 8 Wish List
2008/05/01 11:02:13
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Can we select envelope nodes and and perform group functions on the selected nodes in S7.
I use s7 on a daily basis, but cannot seem to do it..I am not sure how you guys manage envelope nodes?
If there isnt a way, then the ability to "select envelope nodes and and perform group functions on the selected nodes" gets added to my list.
Also, Xray functionlity should be made applicable to application windows too...
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RE: Sonar 8 Wish List
2008/05/01 13:05:50
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Apologies in advance for not having read all 265 posts ahead of this.
(1) A surefire way to assure that no time segments or tracks remain "selected" prior to bouncing. E.g., a "clear all selections" button in the bounce options. I'd like to be able to have my mix set up just as I want, then bounce it, without any "you haven't selected any audio" messages, or discovering that even though I was trying to bounce the whole mix, I only got the one clip that SONAR considered "selected."
(2) Something like Sound Forge's .frg files, that keep track of all changes even past closing out the program.
(3) An auto-save older versions that could automatically create a backup of each project as it exists at session close. Creating backup versions every x number of "saves" doesn't work for me, since I regularly do the Control+s tic every few moments, as protection against occasional random crashes.
(4) Nondestructive "nudging" of audio files (i.e., the original placement would be remembered).
(5) Direct recording of audio tracks from the output of any other track (esp. buses, softsynths).
(6) Right-click MIDI learn for any fader or knob anywhere in the program, with MIDI-unlearn also available from a right click.
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RE: Sonar 8 Wish List
2008/05/01 13:47:39
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At least 4 of your requests in Sonar 7:
(1) Ctrl+Shift+A
(4) Rihgt click > Revert to original timestamp
(5) Clip or Track bounce
(6) Right click > Remote > MIDI Learn.
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RE: Sonar 8 Wish List
2008/05/01 13:54:55
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ORIGINAL: kaylen
I want a piano view that is adjustable so the keys could be botom ,top or either sideinstead of only on the left
Wow, you know I never thought of this, but it would be very convenient. For editing it seems correct to me because you read it time-based. But often I go to the PRV to teach myself what's being played in a part. For that, having the keys at the top and the PRV scroll bottom to top would make it much easier to pick out notes and chords, instead of leaning my head to the side trying to read what those dang keys are!
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RE: Sonar 8 Wish List
2008/05/01 14:18:45
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At least 4 of your requests in Sonar 7:
(1) Ctrl+Shift+A
(4) Rihgt click > Revert to original timestamp
(5) Clip or Track bounce
(6) Right click > Remote > MIDI Learn. Well, 3 at least! These are very useful to know -- thanks! I'll be trying these out right away.  I've harped on (5) in several other threads, at length. Bouncing is not the same as recording. E.g., any parameter of a softsynth that doesn't generate MIDI data (e.g., any feature with any element of randomization) won't generate the same output on a bounce as it did when initially played. Also, MIDI necessarily quantizes rhythms, and even with quantization set as finely as possible, what you play isn't always EXACTLY what MIDI transcribes. E.g., getting MIDI to transcribe a swung rhythm exactly right is fairly hard, or more precisely, hit and miss. I solve this for now with stereo patchcords between a pair of ins and a pair of outs on my interface, but would love to be able to just select the output of one track as the input of an audio track. Try recording a performance of a Reaktor synth like Skrewell using only MIDI data and you'll see what I mean!
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RE: Sonar 8 Wish List
2008/05/01 23:34:47
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A surefire way to assure that no time segments or tracks remain "selected" prior to bouncing. E.g., a "clear all selections" button in the bounce options. better yet -- clean up all the weird selection anomalies that have been in the product since the Pro Audio days: -you click the track number on the track strip you get one kind of selection, you click another part of the track strip you get another kind of selection, -you can't tell what's selected in the clips pane when PRV is on, -selecting all the clips in a track is a myserious zen operation, -if you shift click the time ruler does it add to the left or the right of the selection? -good luck selecting portions of clips in a layer -AND MANY MORE
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