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Re:Midi-Guitar Software
2013/05/17 01:31:57
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Big thanks Scook.
Downloading it now...
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Re:Midi-Guitar Software
2013/05/17 10:33:58
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Big thanks Scook.
Downloading it now...
I'll be doing the same this evening. Has anyone actually bought this software? If yes, your thoughts?
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Re:Midi-Guitar Software
2013/05/17 13:21:40
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Mesh,
I purchased this and have had some time to play with it.
It will not replace the likes of a Roland hardware but is the first and only credible software of its kind, and was worth the investment for my needs.
It's in the beta stage now and haven't fired up 0.7 yet so figure it's only getting better.
0.61 introduced bend but is a work in progress.
The guitar has to be tuned exact for it to track properly and the setup can adjust somewhat for your specific guitar refining the response to each string. First software allowing you to play chords and the fundamental recognized and tracked out of the mix polyphonic.
Bit of initial struggle learning to get it down right, like learning another instrument.
Worth downloading the demo to check it out.
Best,
John
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Re:Midi-Guitar Software
2013/05/17 13:22:53
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I bought it when it was on sale last year. My keyboard skills stink more than guitar skills, so it helps me. Does take a bit to get used to. This version broke the instrument scanning feature, expect an update soon. The thread above is the best source for info on features and development. Looking forward to the next version. Each string will have it's own MIDI channel.
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Re:Midi-Guitar Software
2013/05/17 14:10:51
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Thanks John and Scook for the info.
I have been playing with the 0.61 demo and do like it a lot, but like you guys say, it does take a bit to get used to.
I'm still trying to decide whether it's better to get the YRG2 or this.....
(the + side of this is I can play me guitar with strings vs. the YRG2).
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Re:Midi-Guitar Software
2013/05/17 17:15:19
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0.7.1 for PC released now, MAC version soon. See link above Edit: forget about this version, the new VST scanner is unusable.
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Re:Midi-Guitar Software
2013/05/17 19:09:37
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...not the greatest fan of the forum software... Auto posted my post before I could finish. Critical-to-life survival post is a couple replies down the line...
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Re:Midi-Guitar Software
2013/05/17 19:17:59
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Agreed all across the board. You can reduce latency by loading the synth directly into MIDI-Guitar but the scan function is broken so that option is out for now. The latency does not bother me though. Mellotron samples for DimPro/Rapture http://forum.cakewalk.com/fb.ashx?m=1410821 Some time ago, I made Rapture patches from the Redtron samples.
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Re:Midi-Guitar Software
2013/05/17 19:40:05
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Thanks guys,
Got .71 going. Not updated on their website yet.
The bend thing still needs work but seeing that all vsti's are not created equal. Got to be almost impossible to have pulled this off even where the beta is now. Unknown is how each synth will react, and it seems to be all over the map, good and bad.
After setting the thing up, try the DSK Strings plug to get an idea of the bend limitations under favorable conditions.
Can't get IK SampleTank to respond to bend nicely, but a real feast of synth sounds that do track accurately to the fundamental.
Can't also do fast riffs and there is still a few millisecs latency, but if you play slower and accurately, the program is amazing. Was playing along with the old Moody Blues Knights in White Satin with a strat going thru some random freeware SynthEdit Mellotrons. Sent chills. Like I was there.
John
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Re:Midi-Guitar Software
2013/05/17 23:56:05
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I've been using it and It's really good. Better than any other Guitar Midi solutions.. Yes, fast attack patches are glitchy but workable. Pads, and strings are great.. I am getting low latency here. It's the audio interface that dictates that.
Anyone using Omnisphere with it. I want to buy that but I'd like to know that it triggers at least as good as Dim Pro or Rapture. Some synths trigger better than others with this Midi software. All said It is really great to finally be able to play synths with my guitar. now I'll have to break out the Allan Holdsworth Albums and check out the style of play. Oh BTW I purchased it. Well worth the 99 bucks.
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Re:Midi-Guitar Software
2013/05/21 10:12:35
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Expect a new release today. The reason given for why 0.7 and 0.7.1 were not on the website was:
We haven't actually officially released 0.7 on the website because we needed some hands on testing first to ensure that most users have a good experience with the upgrade. The plugin scanner and tuner are good examples of how things sometimes go wrong.
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Re:Midi-Guitar Software
2013/05/21 18:03:27
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0.7.2 released. Scan works now. Link still only on kvr, not yet published to Jam Origin website.
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Re:Midi-Guitar Software
2013/05/22 10:02:32
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0.7.2 released. Scan works now. Link still only on kvr, not yet published to Jam Origin website.
I was just playing last evening with 0.6.1 and Alchemy.....looking forward to the new release. Thanks Scook!!
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Re:Midi-Guitar Software
2013/05/23 16:38:01
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Brad
I've been using it and It's really good. Better than any other Guitar Midi solutions.. Yes, fast attack patches are glitchy but workable. Pads, and strings are great.. I am getting low latency here. It's the audio interface that dictates that.
Anyone using Omnisphere with it. I want to buy that but I'd like to know that it triggers at least as good as Dim Pro or Rapture. Some synths trigger better than others with this Midi software. All said It is really great to finally be able to play synths with my guitar. now I'll have to break out the Allan Holdsworth Albums and check out the style of play. Oh BTW I purchased it. Well worth the 99 bucks.
Brad: Here are two youtube videos where there is the use of this Jam Origin Midi Guitar software program driving Omnisphere mostly for pads: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GSwzvQHxfI http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aj0xya-om4I
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Re:Midi-Guitar Software
2013/05/24 20:51:02
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Jam Origin released Beta 0.7.3 on the website.
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Re:Midi-Guitar Software
2013/05/25 10:59:26
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When Jam Origin released Beta 0.7.3 they said the pace of releases would increase. Don't think this is what they meant. Beta 0.7.4 out today on the website.
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Re:Midi-Guitar Software
2013/05/25 17:06:32
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Hey Scook. Thanks for the posts and updates. I have subscribed to Jam Origin site and also follow the KRV thread, but have a question for you since you got it working.
I have not been able to get Jam Origin Midi Guitar to work in Sonar X2 as it never outputs the midi even with "enable midi" checked. I did the regedit change value to 1, and use loopmidi, and check "enable midi output" on the synth properties page, and make sure that the Jam Origin Midi Guitar vst is checked "configure as synth" on the plugin property page in the plugin manager. Still, it never gives midi output, so I can't select it for any software synth's midi input.
I am just using the trial version. Is that part of the limitation of the trial? Any suggestions for getting it up and running in Sonar?
BTW, I have two Axon's and a Roland GI20. I almost bought a GR55 but after using my friend's for two weeks I was not impressed. The Jam Origin Midi Guitar looks like a good investment for a small amount of cash. The developer is proactive in getting it up and bug free; I really want to use it as an alternative to my Axons and synth ready guitars. It would be nice to use non synth access guitars for a change.
Any thoughts on how to get it working in Sonar x2a?
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Re:Midi-Guitar Software
2013/05/25 17:40:09
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I use SONAR Producer X2a 64bit on Win7 Home Premium. I do not use loopMIDI. I set it up following the directions http://forum.cakewalk.com/fb.ashx?m=2749799 To use it, drop MIDI-Guitar into an audio track FX bin, enable input echo on the audio track, enable MIDI output on MIDI-Guitar in the synth rack, insert a softsynth track, change the input to MIDI-Guitar (MIDI Omni) and play. I did have to go back an re-edit the registry after resetting VSTs after installing X2a. I am sure that I got it working in 0.5.3 trial before buying a license but that was almost 6 month ago and I cannot say for certain.
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Re:Midi-Guitar Software
2013/05/25 20:47:15
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I use SONAR Producer X2a 64bit on Win7 Home Premium. I do not use loopMIDI. I set it up following the directions http://forum.cakewalk.com/fb.ashx?m=2749799 To use it, drop MIDI-Guitar into an audio track FX bin, enable input echo on the audio track, enable MIDI output on MIDI-Guitar in the synth rack, insert a softsynth track, change the input to MIDI-Guitar (MIDI Omni) and play. I did have to go back an re-edit the registry after resetting VSTs after installing X2a. I am sure that I got it working in 0.5.3 trial before buying a license but that was almost 6 month ago and I cannot say for certain.
Thanks scook for this....I also had the same problem as cecelius2. I'm glad the scanner issue is resolved. Although it's much improved and I totally love being able to use my guitar to play soft synth's, it doesn't quite pick up the faster riffs (yet). Playing slower seems to be working out really well and I'm very inclined to buy the full version as the developer seems to be positively moving towards improving JO. How's tracking in X2 with this been for you?
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Re:Midi-Guitar Software
2013/05/25 21:05:37
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Tracking is OK. Do not believe the host matters. Would not want to play it live unless I was just using it for slower bits and pads. There is some amount of playing to the plug-in.
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Re:Midi-Guitar Software
2013/05/25 21:46:56
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I found a workaround for my problems because even though I rechecked and did everything suggested in this thread, I still never got Jam Origin Midi Guitar to work as a vst synth in my system. I did find the following workaround in case anyone else wants to use it and is also having trouble. Here is my convoluted way around my trouble: 1. I installed loopmidi, and set up one instance of loopmidi, which gives one midi input and one midi output track. 2. In Sonar's Preferences I activated/selected loopmidi for active in both midi input and midi outputs. 3. Next, run Jam Origin Midi Guitar in STANDALONE MODE only outside of Sonar. Do not insert this as a vst instrument. 4. Next, I inserted a different vst instrument --whatever vst softsynth you want to play. I chose Alchemy in Sonar X2a. 5. On this softsynth (Alchmey's in my case), select "loopmidi" within its midi input track. Choose omni as the channel. 6. Arm and record the midi from the soft synths own midi input track (Alchemy in my case). This is an odd workaround for my system which never got Jam Origin Midi Guitar to output midi as a synth vst within Sonar. HOWEVER, by running Jam Origin as a Standalone along side of (in addition to) my Sonar X2a it works fine to trigger and record softsynths within Sonar. So don't do this IF you get Jam Origin Midi Guitar to work as a vst synth and successfully generate midi output within Sonar. Only use this if you can't get it working any other way. Hope this helps someone. BTW, I played with v.7.4. I am impressed. I own two Axons and a Roland, but I am impressed with this economical midi guitar. I wish once the developer gets the kinks and bugs out that he will allow alternate guitar tunings like DGDGBD or DADGAD or others. Still he has done impressive work in making midi guitar available to the masses. Excellent work in progress!!!
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Re:Midi-Guitar Software
2013/05/25 23:38:23
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I just went on and purchased a license. For $99, this is a great investment. Having played with v7.4 I am impressed with the tracking. Just a month ago I almost spent 6 times this much on the GR55, but backed out because I was not impressed with its tracking of soft synths. For $99, this Jam Origin Midi Guitar is worth the money. And it tracks pretty fast and is easier to set up than either of my Axons and is way, way easier than the Roland' difficult setup menus. BTW, the Jam Origin Midi Guitar seems to do better with my gibson PAF Classic 57 humbucker than it does with my single coil or humbucker on my Godin strat. It seems to like that classic 57 right out of the box, and it was easy to make sensitivity adjustments to dial in my playing style.
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Re:Midi-Guitar Software
2013/05/26 11:00:21
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I am trying this software but am having trouble scanning plugins. I have added my Sonar plugin folder (where I have my plugins).
I keep getting messages telling me my audio channels are in use by another application ( they are not the test piano works fine)
Then it tells me the plugin crashed when loading. I am running stand alone. Windows 7, i7 processor, 12 gig ram.
Is this a feature that is only available when purchased. I am running 0.7.4.0
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Re:Midi-Guitar Software
2013/05/26 11:13:28
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It is beta software and the scanner is new to 0.7x. You should let the developer know when you are having issues like this. Then to get it working you have go go though the standard list of questions as you would for any audio application; 32 or 64bit MIDI-Guitar, 32 or 64 bit VST plugins, Audio interface config, Windows audio config. I know when I used the trial of 0.5x I definitely ran the 64bit standalone version with several 64bit commercial plugins. It did not have a scanner at the time, it had a browser to select your VST. FWIW, the developer participates in kvr thread mentioned above
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Re:Midi-Guitar Software
2013/05/26 13:20:50
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Thanks for the reply. I will contact the developer. Dan
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Re:Midi-Guitar Software
2013/05/26 13:57:22
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I am trying this software but am having trouble scanning plugins. I have added my Sonar plugin folder (where I have my plugins).
I keep getting messages telling me my audio channels are in use by another application ( they are not the test piano works fine)
Then it tells me the plugin crashed when loading. I am running stand alone. Windows 7, i7 processor, 12 gig ram.
Is this a feature that is only available when purchased. I am running 0.7.4.0
Thanks Dan
When I first ran 0.7.4, I got an error with something like my ASIO sound card (Line6 DI box) wasn't available.....I just re-installed the drivers and that fixed. You may be experiencing a complete different issue, but "maybe" this might help.
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Re:Midi-Guitar Software
2013/05/26 14:28:04
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Hi Mesh Just re-installed my drivers (Echo Audiofire 8) but that did not help, It was an idea I had not thought of though.
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2013/05/26 16:08:45
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King_Windom
I am trying this software but am having trouble scanning plugins. I have added my Sonar plugin folder (where I have my plugins).
I keep getting messages telling me my audio channels are in use by another application ( they are not the test piano works fine)
Then it tells me the plugin crashed when loading. I am running stand alone. Windows 7, i7 processor, 12 gig ram.
Is this a feature that is only available when purchased. I am running 0.7.4.0
Thanks Dan
Hey Dan. I get the same type of issues. I can not get it to scan my vsts. When it does scan them, it crashes if I try to load an instrument from within Midi Guitar. I can run it as Standalone. Then chose no instrument in Midi Guitar. Then load another standalone synth like Kontakt. Choose loopmidi for Kontakt's input midi. Choose loopmidi on Midi Guitar's midi output. This lets me play it with other standalone synths. I use the same type of workaround to use it with Sonar. See my post above for getting Midi Guitar to work in parallel to Sonar. I would post on the KRV thread because the developer is constantly checking that thread and replying to reports. He is active, very active on that thread. Don't give up.
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Re:Midi-Guitar Software
2013/05/26 16:19:44
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Thanks for the reply. I have been further playing with it and it works great in 32 bit standalone vsts load and play. I just cannot load a vst in 64 bit standalone
mode. I have not tried it as a plugin in Sonar.
I have no intentions of giving up on this program, I will probably buy it soon. I realize it is beta and still can have issues, but It tracks great
for me with a single coil Strat.
Thanks again Dan
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Re:Midi-Guitar Software
2013/05/26 21:38:03
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King_Windom
Thanks for the reply. I have been further playing with it and it works great in 32 bit standalone vsts load and play. I just cannot load a vst in 64 bit standalone
mode. I have not tried it as a plugin in Sonar.
I have no intentions of giving up on this program, I will probably buy it soon. I realize it is beta and still can have issues, but It tracks great
for me with a single coil Strat.
Thanks again Dan
Dan. Thanks for posting this. I had not tried the 32 bit standalone program. So based upon your post, I tried it. At first it gave the same trouble as the 64bit by not loading a vst. Then I tried it again. I pointed the vst scan toward kontakt4. It loaded it. So then I opened the 64bit standalone. It did not show the Kontakt4; however, once I scanned it, the kontakt4 was available. So then I tried adding rapture. It loaded in 32bit standalone mode. When I exited and re launched the 32bit standalone, both Kontakt4 and rapture were available in the pull down on instruments. So I then tried it in 64bit standalone. At first it crashed, but the next time, it had both kontakt4 and rapture available for pull down instruments. This is not an ideal way, but it at least is progress in the right direction. I will just scan individual softsynths like omnisphere and alchemy and my IK synths and my trons and see if they stick. This is a trial and error beta testing. kind of fun as long as it is not essential for a project. Again thanks for this post and sparking some trial and error investigation.
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