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Re:why gibson is less popular then fender these days? 2012/09/02 22:45:00 (permalink)
My current guitar is worth three times as much as my car...  (Really.)

 
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Re:why gibson is less popular then fender these days? 2012/09/02 23:01:37 (permalink)
Historically speaking, a lot of musician who've breathed life back into rock were often using "the wrong tools". The rest was simply riding on a wave. 

Like you said above, Hendrix first used a strat because he could afford one. The rest is history. In fact, he used to say that a lot of the stuff he played was  the result of him trying to imitate a horn line or whatever - talk about using the wrong tool. 

The Doors didn't have a bass player and had to rely on the keyboard player for a bass line. The White Stripes didn't even have a keyboard player to play the bass. The Beatles had Ringo for a drummer!

Necessity s the mother of invention.

When they can afford the "right tools", it's usually not long before it gets too comfortable and rock goes back to sleep.

Ultimately, the "right tools" are a standard - and rock is (partly) about going against the grain. 

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Re:why gibson is less popular then fender these days? 2012/09/02 23:03:19 (permalink)
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My current guitar is worth three times as much as my car...  (Really.)

I don't even own a car (or a driver's license for that matter). So I guess even my cheapest Epiphone is worth a billion time as much. 

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Re:why gibson is less popular then fender these days? 2013/11/25 12:25:25 (permalink)
Fender is more popular than Gibson now'a'days because SRV played a Start! lol and pretty much the same reason I've not bought one. At least, that's what pops into my mind.

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Re:why gibson is less popular then fender these days? 2013/11/25 13:06:22 (permalink)
I own both, and for the most part have since the mid to late 70's. I can't agree that one sounds "better" than the other. That's just not a sensible argument, and it's unprovable regardless of which one you side with.
 
As for popularity, it swings back and forth, and always has. The quality of the guitars has nothing to do with it. When Led Zep came out, everybody started playing LPs. Then Eddie came along and it swung to Strats. Then Slash came and it was back to LPs. etc. etc.
 
The guitars are just tools. A player will use what the song calls for.
 
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Re:why gibson is less popular then fender these days? 2013/11/25 15:45:16 (permalink)
I'm not sure why one would be more popular than the other when we all know you NEED more than one of each (along with at least one PRS, Schecter, Gresch, Ibanez, etc.).  

 
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Re:why gibson is less popular then fender these days? 2013/11/25 16:16:18 (permalink)

"why gibson is less popular then fender these days?"

 
 
oh, that's simple.
 
the fender models are more affordable.
there are more options.
 
 
gibsons are overpriced.
 

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Re:why gibson is less popular then fender these days? 2013/11/25 16:20:45 (permalink)
Oh my I don't have a Fender or a Gibson (electric anywho). Does that make me outmoded? Guess I'll need to buck up and try to play harder.
 
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Re:why gibson is less popular then fender these days? 2013/11/25 16:57:28 (permalink)
So a year and a half after the thread first started, things haven't changed? :P
 
Fender is probably still selling more guitars than Gibson, if only for the fact that they are offering tons of cheap models. Guitars like the stratocaster player series (MIM) go for under $400 - and they still have the Fender logo on them. 
 
On the other hand, cording to a rep back in Canada, Gibson are doing better than they've done in years.
 
If I look at the Facebook picture profiles of all my fellow musicians from back home - 90% of whom used to play stratocasters and/or super strats - I'd say that things have changed radically. The Les Paul seems to be the new strat and all those guys seem to have switched. I guess it's in the air. 
 
Big Gibson are probably overpriced, but I've started seeing Fender strats and Tele go for $3000-$4000 more and more frequently these days. And Gibson have started offering less expensive guitars.
 
I just saw a $9600 CS Telecaster on Sweetwaters's web site. Now THAT is overpriced if you ask me. The most expensive Les Paul ($14 000) does not seem overpriced by comparison, imho...
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Re:why gibson is less popular then fender these days? 2013/11/25 17:10:21 (permalink)
The Strat has a bevel for my pot belly. Enough said.

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Re:why gibson is less popular then fender these days? 2013/11/25 17:12:20 (permalink)
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The Strat has a bevel for my pot belly. Enough said.


So did my Gibson Double-cut.
(Not enough said?  )

 
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Re:why gibson is less popular then fender these days? 2013/11/25 18:19:17 (permalink)
:-) Nice Craig! I didn't know they made them like that. I'm going to have to shop some more.

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Re:why gibson is less popular then fender these days? 2013/11/25 18:22:51 (permalink)
That was one of the few things I had to say in favour of my old strat vs my Les Pauls. The SG made it a moot point.
 


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Re:why gibson is less popular then fender these days? 2013/11/25 18:37:37 (permalink)
Sorry for the poor picture, but you can see it over there on the right.  I liked it so much that it's now part of my custom designs as well.
 


 
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Re:why gibson is less popular then fender these days? 2013/11/26 09:40:48 (permalink)
Hi,
 
Weird discussion!
 
Apples or Oranges?
 
Tomato or Tomatoe?
 
John or Jon?
 
I don't think the instrument is the most important part of it all. I seriously doubt it.
 
It's the person behind it, and if Jimi did not have a Strat, he would still be able to do his thing, and if Pete didn't have the Gibs, he would still smash it, and what not!
 
When you hear others play, and you check what they are playing and how they do this or that ... it can be one or the other ... so what?
 
And you think you can do what they do on their type of guitar and you can't do it on yours? I seriously doubt that ... but you can't get past the image that it can't be done?
 
Ex: Jeff Beck copied Terje Rypdal. Terje plays a Fender Strat. Jeff uses a Gibson, I think. The result is still VERY GOOD ... and no shame that Jeff is also capable of doing that kind of stuff that Terje did 40 years ago, when Jeff was still playing 1,2,3 and 4 rock'n'roll music, instead of experimenting with classical and chamber music like he is now!
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Re:why gibson is less popular then fender these days? 2013/11/26 09:54:27 (permalink)
This is no different than some bozo standing out in the middle of field looking up at an empty sky...
and the first thing you know...
 
Felt like somebody should mention that.....unless pissin' in the wind is your thang.
 
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Re:why gibson is less popular then fender these days? 2013/11/26 10:17:48 (permalink)
 I still love my Variax guitar which is very stratlike in appearance and feel * runs and ducks for cove*r. I like it so much that I would buy another one. There is a Gibson type modeler out there and a shredder version loaded with some killer models. 
 
 Im not especially nostalgic. I like nice guitars and I appreciate a quality guitar no matter who makes it. The name of the game for me is sound and feel. I'm not overly concerned with how it looks in the studio. If I buy another straight up guitar as opposed to a modeler I would look long and hard at Carvin. The quality and ability to customize and the price are tough to beat. They make a really good solid quality guitar on par with the very best for much less. 3000.00 dollars will get you a guitar you can't lay down.
 
 I am still tempeted to make a guitar. Not a kit. I have access to a few woodshops and could probably use those tools. I have some tools of my own. I think it would be a fun thing to do. If I wasn't between two other large projects right now I would have likely already ordered some plans to look over. I could see myself at least attempting it in the next year or so. Cutting the frets in looks complicated,the body and neck not so much. Measure three times  wait to cut and don't use a chinese micrometer. 

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Re:why gibson is less popular then fender these days? 2013/11/26 10:18:58 (permalink)
As a young Lad, I played what ever guitar I could afford and get my hands on. Now I play what guitar feels the best in my hands and gets me to my tone the quickest, price is not as big a deal. Give me a Fender, Gibson, PRS, and what ever amp you like; I will still dial in my tone.....even if I have to stick a pedal in front of it.

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Re:why gibson is less popular then fender these days? 2013/11/26 21:34:38 (permalink)
Oh, my and I just bought one because they were on sale this last weekend. (went up again at a certain place).
But others have push/pull coil taps and can either sound like a humbucker or a single coil pickup and Fenders can also cost more like $1600 and Customs way up there like Gibsons.
 
I  bought the solid body LP because this is the first year in a long time that Gibson has made one.

 
But then I do not take good pictures though and the color is different than what the picture shows.
 
Whatever!

 
I could of passed up the deal but then, I could not either with 30% off at the end of year sale, but read first sentence again. Just got it today.
 
(and because of the sale quite a few were bought this weekend at least at one place.)
 
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Re:why gibson is less popular then fender these days? 2013/11/26 21:45:56 (permalink)
That's a gorgeous Les Paul! Congrats!

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Re:why gibson is less popular then fender these days? 2013/11/27 00:19:01 (permalink)
Iced Tea? Very nice!

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Re:why gibson is less popular then fender these days? 2013/11/27 00:21:25 (permalink)
Thanks both of yas!  I watched as I was mulling over whether to buy or not and picking out one, and before I could of called in the guitar was sold. All Friday nite till close and Saturday, when I kept telling myself well, I should not buy one. Then Sunday came and checked again and nothing up, then about an hour or so later two were put up, and I just reacted and called in and thought they had sold it while I was talking to them. They meant me but like I said, the guitars were flying out the door. I mean the more expensive ones were way less, way less, even more like over $1200 off. Well, it's done so that wil be it. Not as heavy as some like the over 10lb. ones and maybe not a color I considered before, because they were gone before deciding anything.
 
Well, that is over, and now they are charging more but not as much as they were all year.
 
Yep, that is it for the guitar department for a long time.

It is not perfect but I guess I better like it, and I do, and it is lighter just a bit in color than the picture I tried to take of it.
I mean most of the time the wood is that way, they say that they match them but sometimes I wonder. Not one piece like other guitars, well that is the way they make them.
 
Nope, the color is Caramel Burst.
 
 
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Re:why gibson is less popular then fender these days? 2013/11/27 00:33:42 (permalink)
Like Sunday, while I was talking to them the other one (10lbs. 2oz monster) was sold. That ended that day.


 
 
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Re:why gibson is less popular then fender these days? 2013/11/27 10:05:35 (permalink)
I didn't buy a car for my mid-life crisis... I bought these instead...all since June...Thank God for home-equity loans!
 
 

 
A Fender Baja Telecaster, Gibson Les Paul Traditional Pro 2, Les Paul Standard, Gibson Les Paul Joe Bonamassa Std, and a Laguna Greg Howe model....and my newest baby is to be delivered today..a Gibson M3.   LOL... Christmas came early.  I am DONE!
 
And each sounds radically different from the others.  Guitar Center and Sweetwater WILL negotiate a MUCH better price than what they advertise...trust me.
 
 

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Re:why gibson is less popular then fender these days? 2013/11/27 11:22:28 (permalink)
That's my kind of mid-life crisis!

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Re:why gibson is less popular then fender these days? 2013/11/27 12:45:56 (permalink)
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Re:why gibson is less popular then fender these days? 2013/11/27 12:50:20 (permalink)
tbosco, they will sell you another one also!
 

 
 
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