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2012/09/01 21:45:38 (permalink)

why gibson is less popular then fender these days?

I mean in seventies where we had the best music and sound ever gibson guitar dominated
and I loved its sound. Later on fender started taking a lead and the music deteriorated...
Clapton switched to fender guitars and many others as well, why is that???
Gibson not only sounds better but looks better so what the problem? price?



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Re:why gibson is less popular then fender these days? 2012/09/01 21:50:36 (permalink)
comparing to gibson fender sounds thin and cheese..and how does it look??? like plank wood with strings...



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Re:why gibson is less popular then fender these days? 2012/09/01 22:08:28 (permalink)
For me it is a matter of comfort and I like the sound of a Strat better, but I do have an LP Classic. I just never can get comfortable with the LP. I have one Strat that is as heavy as most Pauls, I put CS 54s in it and it is wonderful. My other Strat is an American Deluxe with the soft "V" neck profile and S1 switching. It is very versatile for me. I use a BOSS Bass EQ pedal with Fender amps and it makes both the amps and the guitars sound better, removes all the flub. Did you forget that Jimi used a Strat mostly, though he did use Gibsons too, David Gilmour, Pete now plays a Strat and sounds like he always did.

One thing may be QC of Les Pauls. One is a gem and another is a boat anchor. The Peter Green/Gary Moore LP is an awesome guitar. Kossoff got great tone (he also only used bottom cabs for his tone. Mike Bloomfield... anyway that is my theory, weight/QC/comfort.

I imagine Clapton switched after seeing Jimi play and having his LP (Eric's) stolen. 

I've never had a decent SG but I think I would like it, though I prefer a 25.5" scale... it is just what I am used to. 

As far as the music you have to consider that it was all new in the late 60s and early 70s. They were re-doing all the blues tunes as blues rock and everything was new. These days it is hard to come up with anything new in that classic rock style of music... it was easy then because it was all new.

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Re:why gibson is less popular then fender these days? 2012/09/01 22:11:20 (permalink)
It just depends on the sound you're looking for. If it's clean, sparkling rhythm you're after then nothing cuts through the mix like a Tele. If it's a thick, warm and overdriven  sound then yes a Les Paul cuts the mustard. 
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Re:why gibson is less popular then fender these days? 2012/09/01 22:19:02 (permalink)
Different tools for different jobs. However Gibson really took the price gouging to a ridiculous level. True Fender's aren't much better but you can get a top of the line Strat for $1200 where as a Les Paul will cost you $2000. I think they're both thieves. I do love me some Gibby's though. I want an ES-335. Can someone "lend" me three grand?
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Re:why gibson is less popular then fender these days? 2012/09/01 22:23:29 (permalink)
I've wanted an R-8 for several years and will probably buy one some day. I'd like a CS LP with the long neck tenon.

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Re:why gibson is less popular then fender these days? 2012/09/01 22:29:21 (permalink)
SGs are great guitars. I've owned full on vintage Gibby SGs and Epi's. They're very light and the necks are slim and fast. Great playing guitars. The bonus is they are usually a lot less expensive than their clunkier Les Paul cousins. I never really liked LPs. Their necks are too fat and rigid and there is something about their tone that does not agree with my style at all. They are also extremely heavy and to get a decent one you have to pay a mint.
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Re:why gibson is less popular then fender these days? 2012/09/01 22:33:55 (permalink)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4vxOoSS5RY

what a sweet sound of seventies...

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Re:why gibson is less popular then fender these days? 2012/09/01 22:59:49 (permalink)
Humbuckers compress the sound. Starts and teles and p90 s dont

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Re:why gibson is less popular then fender these days? 2012/09/01 23:06:47 (permalink)
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Different tools for different jobs. However Gibson really took the price gouging to a ridiculous level. True Fender's aren't much better but you can get a top of the line Strat for $1200 where as a Les Paul will cost you $2000. I think they're both thieves. I do love me some Gibby's though. I want an ES-335. Can someone "lend" me three grand?

you're probably right. I been in GC today and the cheapest strat I've seen for 100$ while gibson for 700$.
On the other hand the most expensive fender was for 1200$ whereas gibson over $4000...
I guess fender is made in China then?
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Re:why gibson is less popular then fender these days? 2012/09/01 23:09:37 (permalink)
Actually, I can't really agree with the OP position.  I remember when both were about equally popular and it really depended on the type of music you were making.

As for now, I completely agree that Gibson's popularity has dropped a lot but IMO that's easily due to their over-inflated prices and underachieving quality control!

 
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Re:why gibson is less popular then fender these days? 2012/09/01 23:16:57 (permalink)
No... the top line Fenders are not made in China. Some of their parts may be but that would be true with Gibson as well. Gibsons just charge a heckuva a lot more. They are however a little more work to put together though so I understand a bit of a price gap... but not as much as is the current reality. Their quality has been going downhill lately as well.
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Re:why gibson is less popular then fender these days? 2012/09/01 23:18:24 (permalink)
Exactly, craig. They are just phoning it in and relying on their name. I hate companies that do that *cough cough* Avid *cough cough*...
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Re:why gibson is less popular then fender these days? 2012/09/01 23:23:00 (permalink)
Your higher frequency hearing is waning and the Fender does not sound as twangy as it did before, but it still is, and of course Country music has to use the Fenders for some reason no one really knows.

 
 
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Re:why gibson is less popular then fender these days? 2012/09/01 23:28:54 (permalink)
Well, I don't really care about gibson or fender as a company and their politics but don't tell me you don't hear a difference in sound quality between those two. Listen to early Clapton and then to the current versions of his song for instance with fender, sound thin and uninspiring.
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Re:why gibson is less popular then fender these days? 2012/09/01 23:29:30 (permalink)
Teles are nice solid axes.
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Re:why gibson is less popular then fender these days? 2012/09/01 23:32:20 (permalink)
Clapton is poor example. His playing is kind of "thin" as it is... and I dare you to try and get a nice SRV tone out of a Gibson. It just ain't gonna happen.
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Re:why gibson is less popular then fender these days? 2012/09/01 23:33:51 (permalink)
I bought a 2012 American Telecaster not so long ago and it is a sweet sweet guitar...played like a dream right out of the case with no setup required. It just oozes quality. It's my first Tele and I have to say I think I've found my guitar...although I still need to get me something with Humbuckers to rock out on. Back home in the UK I have an Epiphone "Spotlight" also known as the PRS lawsuit guitar (it's basically a PRS copy that was discontinued after only a few were made) that I got in '88 and it was my go-to electric for 15 years before I moved to the US. I'd have it sent over but it needs a lot of work doing on it. Epiphone makes some fantastic guitars. 
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Re:why gibson is less popular then fender these days? 2012/09/01 23:35:42 (permalink)
Personally I like modded out knock offs better anyway. Find an off brand axe with a quality neck/fretboard/body and load that sucker up. My main guit right now is a Pacifica and I love it.
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Re:why gibson is less popular then fender these days? 2012/09/01 23:37:54 (permalink)
Teles with a nice chrome installed shine like nothing else. Very versatile too. I wouldn't use one for metal but most other stuff it will usually fit right in.
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Re:why gibson is less popular then fender these days? 2012/09/01 23:42:22 (permalink)
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Clapton is poor example. His playing is kind of "thin" as it is... and I dare you to try and get a nice SRV tone out of a Gibson. It just ain't gonna happen.

I don't agree, but here you go Thin Lizzy, try get such great sound out of the fender - it aint' gonna happen...
listen to the solo at 56s
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Re:why gibson is less popular then fender these days? 2012/09/01 23:46:33 (permalink)
My first guitar was a CSL Blazer. It was a god-awful Strat copy with sky high action that was I believe a cheap rebranded Korean guitar. I played it through an atrocious 15W amp called an Image Imp. Distortion was achieved by turning the volume up full and distorting the crappy speaker. With this setup, I learned guitar by painstakingly copying Kirk Hammet's solos off of the first Metallica album, eventually progressing to improvising blues along with Led Zeppelin. Happy days! 
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Re:why gibson is less popular then fender these days? 2012/09/01 23:49:51 (permalink)
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I don't agree, but here you go Thin Lizzy, try get such great sound out of the fender - it aint' gonna happen...
listen to the solo at 56s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9fG8TCHccIU

That is indeed a killer tone. 
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Re:why gibson is less popular then fender these days? 2012/09/02 00:04:12 (permalink)
@offnote... Different tools for different jobs. It's like slagging on a ball peen hammer because you can't frame a house with it. Part of being a well rounded guitar player is knowing what guitar to use for specific applications.
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Re:why gibson is less popular then fender these days? 2012/09/02 00:12:28 (permalink)
BTW... that's a studio recording. You don't know what they were playing and you don't really get a good look at what the "lead" is played on in the vid. Looks like a custom job. The big tonal debate between Gibson and Fender is usually more a debate between humbuckers and single coil anyway. Toss a humbucker on a Strat and you'll get a lot more meat out of it.
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Re:why gibson is less popular then fender these days? 2012/09/02 00:26:43 (permalink)
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@offnote... Different tools for different jobs. It's like slagging on a ball peen hammer because you can't frame a house with it. Part of being a well rounded guitar player is knowing what guitar to use for specific applications.

I understand that but trying to understand why rock music sucks today - probably among the other reasons because they're using wrong tools for the job!
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Re:why gibson is less popular then fender these days? 2012/09/02 01:27:00 (permalink)
I would like one of each.

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Re:why gibson is less popular then fender these days? 2012/09/02 01:52:52 (permalink)

comparing to gibson fender sounds thin and cheese..and how does it look??? like plank wood with strings...



Maybe..................................

Just maybe......................... its because of the single coil pickups, scale length, alder bodies and bolt on neck.........

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Re:why gibson is less popular then fender these days? 2012/09/02 01:59:58 (permalink)

you're probably right. I been in GC today and the cheapest strat I've seen for 100$ while gibson for 700$. On the other hand the most expensive fender was for 1200$ whereas gibson over $4000... I guess fender is made in China then?



I guess.....................?????


Or............Indonesia, Mexico or occasionally India............


And for Gibson pricing..............you weren't looking to hard..............


The entire Melody maker line is USA made and around $400.00 bucks.


Or.................


Have you heard of a small company named Epiphone?


Or even Maestro.................?
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Re:why gibson is less popular then fender these days? 2012/09/02 02:03:47 (permalink)

I understand that but trying to understand why rock music sucks today - probably among the other reasons because they're using wrong tools for the job!



Are your saying Fenders weren't alive and well in the 70's ?


Or are you saying your still stuck in that era and just don't relate to new Rock Music?


 
post edited by zungle - 2012/09/02 02:05:51
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