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RE: $40 MIC That Kicks A$$
2008/10/15 20:18:05
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Any of the cheaper condenser mics will output a " decent" sound. The manufacturing techniques and automation used in recent years pretty much have the diaphragm build process stable. The main differences that you hear are based on the diaphragm thickness and combination of diameter and tension. Those vary from manufacturer to manufacturer. The MCA uses a medium diameter element. Maybe that and combination of membrane thickness seems to have nicely damped the usual " ice pick in the ear " sound that a lot of cheaper condensers have a reputation for. To my ear it actually sounds like a very well balanced dynamic. Meaning that it sounds smooth and pretty detailed for it's price. I haven't tried the modification that is floating around because I think it does a great job straight -up. I heard a rumor that the mod makes it sound a little crisper on the high end... which is something I don't actually want. It's all relative depending on the source and what you're looking to capture, but buying a pair for less than the price of a standard decent dynamic is a real practical motivation for some.
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Lanceindastudio
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RE: $40 MIC That Kicks A$$
2008/10/15 23:39:51
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agreed... dont need the crisp all good
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RE: $40 MIC That Kicks A$$
2008/10/16 10:11:23
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ORIGINAL: Rbh Please use care when putting any conductive foil inside. It won't stick forever as the adhesive will most assuredly break down after a few years. Loose conductors and pre amps and Phantom power may not be a good combination. You may be able to place some thin closed cell foam wrapping along the shell or thicker open cell foam directly on the circuit board to wedge in along the case internally. There were two reasons for using the tape I suggested: 1. High mass-to-size ratio. For some reason, this is the HEAVIEST metal tape I've ever touched. I'm sure there's heavier out there, but we used it to damp the rattling duct work in the studio, and it was amazing. 2. Glue: It's designed to stay "stuck" for literally decades, and gets run through the hot/cold wringer more than about anything else you'll ever touch. It's for sealing up duct work: The same duct work that runs the Heat and AC in my house. After nearly 5 years, it looks and sticks just as well as the day I put it on. That's some darned good adhesive, if you ask me! Actually... the better idea would be to just use a shock mount. Well, I'm talking about the shell resonating when drums are played near it. You're probably right, but there are some recording situations I'm sometimes in where a shockmount just won't get the job done (too large). Corey Edit: bad grammar! DOH!
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montezuma
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RE: $40 MIC That Kicks A$$
2008/10/22 01:18:23
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Just got the MXL SP1 last Friday. Have given it a really quick go with my Martin DX1 acoustic...sounds ok...hard to tell...I'm recording in a Hong Kong hotel room. I agree with the comments regarding its fairly flimsy build...a little flimsy is right. Nowhere near as sturdy as my CAD m177...then again the 177 cost a chunk more.
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RE: $40 MIC That Kicks A$$
2008/10/26 21:50:59
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RE: $40 MIC That Kicks A$$
2008/10/26 22:23:16
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I hope it's cool though. It's pretty cool. I especially like it on acoustic guitar. Have fun!
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RE: $40 MIC That Kicks A$$
2008/10/26 22:43:05
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Will do! I bought it specifically for recording acoustic guitar. I was using one of those Dean Markley pop-in pickups for recording my acoustics but I wanna try a condenser. Don't get me wrong, those Dean Markley pickups are cool for performance but not really for recording.
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RE: $40 MIC That Kicks A$$
2008/10/26 22:57:25
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If the Dean Markley pickup doesn't mess with the acoustics much, and if you've got the extra preamp input, you could try recording with both the pickup and the mic on two tracks. They you can tweak & mix to taste. The mic probably doesn't need the help, but it might be fun to try and experiment with.
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RE: $40 MIC That Kicks A$$
2008/10/26 23:26:24
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If the Dean Markley pickup doesn't mess with the acoustics much, and if you've got the extra preamp input, you could try recording with both the pickup and the mic on two tracks. They you can tweak & mix to taste. The mic probably doesn't need the help, but it might be fun to try and experiment with. Yes. Good point. I've used this method in the past and it has worked particularly well for me when recording finger-picking guitar (as opposed to strummed). I use an LR Baggs guitar preamp and a mic. The two allow me to dial-in as much, or as little presence as I choose.
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RE: $40 MIC That Kicks A$$
2008/10/26 23:32:27
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Right... naturally, the nicer the pickup/preamp combination, the better. But even a cheaper pickup can work with some track FX for dialing in some enhancements, sometimes just in spots. Edit: OT, I wonder how many little tips like these get lost as side-notes in gear or SONAR threads!
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RE: $40 MIC That Kicks A$$
2008/10/27 03:27:08
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I forgot I had the CAD m177 condenser mic when I bought the SP1. a/b ing them it's hard to tell the difference. The CAD cost me 300 odd australian dollars. Anyway...the SP1 has no bass roll off/ high pass filter (or whatever the term is for a mic that can cut out bass frequency)...so maybe the CAD m177 is a bit better for mic;ing a boomy acoustic guitar.
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RE: $40 MIC That Kicks A$$
2008/10/27 07:24:14
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no it isnt :) because you can eq it in the box. why eliminate frequencies on the way in? i am not a fan of elimintaing sound on the way in so I can never get it back. but yeah, the sp1 sounds great. If you dont want to do any eq after, then i guess a high pass filter is helpful, but seriously, 39.99- I can eq
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RE: $40 MIC That Kicks A$$
2008/10/27 07:26:42
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ORIGINAL: Slayer I just scored the http://www.pssl.com/MXL-SP1-Condenser-Studio-Microphone-With-Clip-s. Should get it this week. I was looking for a cheap mic and I found this thread and decided to give it a shot. Like some of you said, if it's no good just junk it for that price. I hope it's cool though. If you junk it, you need new ears
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RE: $40 MIC That Kicks A$$
2008/10/27 07:30:48
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Anyone know where to get one of these in the UK?
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RE: $40 MIC That Kicks A$$
2008/10/27 07:32:23
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Hong Kong wow I was there for seven weeks. Well, actually Macau, singing at MGM grand. I checked out Hong Kong though. wowo, what a city. just wow...
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RE: $40 MIC That Kicks A$$
2008/10/27 09:03:07
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Yeah Hong Kong is pretty crazy. Good though. The MGM Grand? Sounds pretty big time! I think you're right about not cutting any frequencies on the way in...that's a good point. But so why would a mic feature a built in frequency control if it's just as easy to eq once recorded?
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RE: $40 MIC That Kicks A$$
2008/10/27 11:53:57
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Yeah, Lance does grace us with his presence. I get a feeling of royalty when he actually responds to one of my posts. The rolloff settings are a convenience, because sometimes a setting will match the source, and some folks prefer to record with a better-matched sound. Also, technically-speaking having a good match on the way in can buy you some more dynamic range in the A/D process (but with high-quality preamps and real 24-bit converters it's not needed so much, unless maybe you're recording the faintest reverb tail in the same room as a cello, for example.) I'm a tweak-head, and actually do a little highpass filtering and EQ in my preamp on the way in, but it's mostly just for protection (HPF) and rough EQ. I do most of my EQ in Voxformer (well, on Vox anyway).
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RE: $40 MIC That Kicks A$$
2008/10/27 17:43:52
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ORIGINAL: montezuma Just got the MXL SP1 last Friday. Have given it a really quick go with my Martin DX1 acoustic...sounds ok...hard to tell...I'm recording in a Hong Kong hotel room. So they could have shipped the thing straight from the sweat-shop factory in China to you and saved the trans-Pacific shipping costs... assuming that you bought from PSSL in California.
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RE: $40 MIC That Kicks A$$
2008/10/27 18:44:30
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Yeah...I really need to start looking into this area in terms of its audio...as opposed to being so lazy. I'm not sure thought if I buoght it from PSSL. Actually I just picked some random internet shop and bought through that. This weekend, anyway, I'm going to an audio are in Hong Kong. I've been there before...mic shop, monitor shop, gear shop...shop after shop after shop down the road in a place called Sham Shui Po. Just to have a look
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RE: $40 MIC That Kicks A$$
2008/10/27 18:46:47
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Anyone know where to get one of these in the UK?
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RE: $40 MIC That Kicks A$$
2008/10/27 20:23:32
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Very satisfied with the pair I bought. If you generally take care of your equipment.. I.E ( don't let some lunkhead abuse them) Slobber all over them...throw them around...scream like a banshee...ETC... they'll be one of the best bang for the bucks buys you'll ever get. They sound good.
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RE: $40 MIC That Kicks A$$
2008/10/27 20:54:27
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ORIGINAL: losguy Yeah, Lance does grace us with his presence. I get a feeling of royalty when he actually responds to one of my posts. The rolloff settings are a convenience, because sometimes a setting will match the source, and some folks prefer to record with a better-matched sound. Also, technically-speaking having a good match on the way in can buy you some more dynamic range in the A/D process (but with high-quality preamps and real 24-bit converters it's not needed so much, unless maybe you're recording the faintest reverb tail in the same room as a cello, for example.) I'm a tweak-head, and actually do a little highpass filtering and EQ in my preamp on the way in, but it's mostly just for protection (HPF) and rough EQ. I do most of my EQ in Voxformer (well, on Vox anyway). i like to get things sounding good at the source and if that includes a HPF at the mic or preamp then so be it (which i think is what you are saying). another reason to use the EQ controls (at least on decent hardware) is that they were designed for the that purpose rather than to be an all-purpose EQ like a plugin. in a perfect world, i would get the best solo sound out of each instrument i could before getting it in the mix, and then use plugins to bring them together. but i don't see the point in keeping stuff you know you don't want. are you really going to keep everything below 75hz on a female vocal? probably not. if you don't like the way something sounds when tracking, fix it and then record.
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RE: $40 MIC That Kicks A$$
2008/10/27 21:14:01
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Might be ok for boomy acoustic guitars too. Cut out the low frequencies and then you don't have to use a plug in later to do it. I dunno.
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RE: $40 MIC That Kicks A$$
2008/10/27 21:18:52
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the way i see it, once you get your stuff in the mix, you don't want to waste time tailoring the individual instruments because you are going to be hacking away at them anyway to get them to sit together. so by getting the solo sound that you want before you record, you make sure you don't lose anything important while saving yourself a lot of time later on. not that i am a mixing god by any stretch of the imagination, but the better my sources get the less i have to mix later on. for me that is a plus. and i have not once gone back and bemoaned the lack of boominess in my acoustic or rumble in the electric or vocals.
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RE: $40 MIC That Kicks A$$
2008/10/28 10:29:58
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ORIGINAL: LixiSoft OK, I didn't discover this mic, I first read about it in a gear review in TAPE OP. I figured at this price I had to try them, at worst I would throw them away. Well I bought two, they knocked me out. I bought two more, and plan on buying another two. They are cheap CHINESE mics...BUT...without that "ICE PICK IN YOUR EAR" high end peak boost most Chinese mics have, (think Ocktava Mics smooth high end sound, the real Russian Ocktava's not the GC KNOCK OFF Chinese FAKES they sold for years). Anyway I just recorded an acoustic Folk Band from Greece, and used these on all the instruments.....they just sounded great, 2 Lutes, 2 Lyres, and a set of Bag Pipes. These mics also sound great on Drum OH's, Toms, and Guitar cabs, that's all I've tried them on so far, besides the Greek band last week. But anyway they ROCK for the money. Just thought I would let you guys know Check out this LINK After all this time I got to try out one of those things at the (1st) Dallas/Fort Worth Sonar users group meeting. Wow.. what a great mic. Fantastic value. I've had about 100 different mics over the years and I'd have to say this one is in my top 10.
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RE: $40 MIC That Kicks A$$
2008/10/28 11:01:27
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Have you ordered one yet, Frank???
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RE: $40 MIC That Kicks A$$
2008/10/28 12:38:27
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Anyone know where to get one of these in the UK?
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RE: $40 MIC That Kicks A$$
2008/10/28 12:51:20
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Jeff: Others have asked. Sorry we can't help! You might try contacting PSSL and seeing if they'll ship overseas? I know a lot of places will, others, not so much. Good luck! Great mic. I have two, and am about to order at least two more for large session VO work. Corey
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RE: $40 MIC That Kicks A$$
2008/10/28 14:04:11
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ORIGINAL: Beagle Have you ordered one yet, Frank??? No, I'll have to wait till payday
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RE: $40 MIC That Kicks A$$
2008/10/28 15:38:05
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OK thanks Corey. Much as I feared. I was really hoping someone in the UK might have chimed in that they'd found them. I suspect that they may carry a different manufacturer name over here?
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