Lanceindastudio
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RE: $40 MIC That Kicks A$$
2008/05/05 23:40:09
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On ANY mic I use, I sweep out the low end with a pass filter all the way up to between 220-250. 250 area seems to be magic as I get the voice but not the muffle.
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Dave King
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RE: $40 MIC That Kicks A$$
2008/05/05 23:49:29
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n ANY mic I use, I sweep out the low end with a pass filter all the way up to between 220-250. 250 area seems to be magic as I get the voice but not the muffle. Really??? That high? I'm surprised. I'll have to experiment with that. Seems like at that level, all the vocal swould sound like they're coming through a telephone.
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RE: $40 MIC That Kicks A$$
2008/05/06 00:16:26
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Well, when remixing music for karaoke to remove voice, you typically start at the 400hz range.
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RE: $40 MIC That Kicks A$$
2008/05/06 01:56:05
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I have found the vocal frequencies needed lie in that range.
Ya have to go much higher o get telephone sound.
I do telphone talk in tracks too, but much higher sweep, and I usually use high sweep too.
If ya like my vocal sound, besides my performance and sound, that 250 sweep is a major part of the clarity.
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Russell.Whaley
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RE: $40 MIC That Kicks A$$
2008/05/06 10:02:28
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Thanks, Lance. I will give this a try and see what it produces on my stuff. Do you do the sweep first, before any other processing, or after? (I suspect first, but am curious to know).
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RE: $40 MIC That Kicks A$$
2008/05/06 19:54:44
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It depends entirely on the singer (or source), as well as the lowest/highest note that they will hit in the song. I have a preset on my digital mixer set at about 100Hz, which I tweak around a little, followed by a highpass in Voxformer for "final" tweaking. In Voxformer I get a spectral display that shows me where the harmionics are, and how big the fundamental is compared to the rest of the harmonics of the voice. I use that as a range-finder, and then my ears to fine-tune how much of the fundamental I need to cut.
More fundamental = stronger pitch and foundation to the voice
More harmonics = more "cutting" and less interference with other instruments at that same tonic note
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Dave King
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RE: $40 MIC That Kicks A$$
2008/05/06 20:10:40
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Boy, I keep seeing more and more references to Voxengo plugs in the forums. Maybe that's what I'll spend some of my tax rebate on.
Lance - Care to share which are your favorite Voxengo plugs?
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RE: $40 MIC That Kicks A$$
2008/05/06 20:23:27
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Let's not forget the frequency is only half the story! Let's not forget the Q ladies and gentlemen! Slope is important....
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RE: $40 MIC That Kicks A$$
2008/05/06 20:27:57
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ORIGINAL: Dave King
Boy, I keep seeing more and more references to Voxengo plugs in the forums. Maybe that's what I'll spend some of my tax rebate on.
Lance - Care to share which are your favorite Voxengo plugs?
I picked up the Mixing Suite and Mastering Suite when Cakewalk was cross-marketing them a while back. i've heard good things about the AnalogFlux suite, too. (Are you getting the picture? It's hard to find a dud in the bunch...) You probably don't need Pristine Space if you already have Perfect Space, because IIUC they share much code in common. The Marquis Compressor is another winner, or so I've heard. I'd be interested to hear how it compares to VC-64 (and how Voxformer compares to VC-64, too, if anyone cares to weigh in, briefly OT).
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RE: $40 MIC That Kicks A$$
2008/05/06 20:29:27
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ORIGINAL: eikelbijter
Let's not forget the frequency is only half the story! Let's not forget the Q ladies and gentlemen! Slope is important....
Oh, you are so right, Rico sir. On Voxformer, it's the scroll wheel, just scroll to taste while hovering over the filter band.
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RE: $40 MIC That Kicks A$$
2008/05/15 03:35:17
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Hey all, first time poster here! I had to register just to jump in this crazy thread! Is this mic really that good, I mean, seriously?
Just wanted to know if anyone wanted to share any updated experience with this little sucka? Lance, I notice that ou especially recommend this mic. Care to give anymore insight? BTW man, thanks alot for getting me hooked on your song "Come My Way". That stuff is crack man! I gatta hear it like everyday, the chorus is sick and the bridge is simple but amazing! Keep making that goood crack(compliment) music man.
Thanks all, and be rich!
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RE: $40 MIC That Kicks A$$
2008/05/15 11:21:42
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I think we're all too busy making good music with our new mics.
Seriously, I just finished some student sessions with this thing and it is definitely smooth and sweet. I think that I will end up not needing to process the tracks nearly as much, and still get a better sound when I'm done.
(Of course, it could be that I installed bass traps in the corners... that helps too.)
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Dave King
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RE: $40 MIC That Kicks A$$
2008/05/15 16:55:38
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I had a problem with plosives when recording vocals on this mic recently and wound up using my CAD E-100 instead. Anyone else find these mics very susceptible to plosive problems?
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RE: $40 MIC That Kicks A$$
2008/05/15 19:03:18
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I use a double-membrane pop filter. I haven't had issues with plosives (yet), even with inexperienced singers.
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RE: $40 MIC That Kicks A$$
2008/05/16 01:33:49
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Anyone else find these mics very susceptible to plosive problems? Yep, That's why they sound so good, use a pop filter and turn the mic off axis. I view this mic as an instrument mic, not a vocal mic.
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RE: $40 MIC That Kicks A$$
2008/05/16 10:49:43
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It's a heck of a lot better for vox than the mic I was using prior. My girlfriend is a real rookie vocalist, but neither of us have had a problem with plosives. I love this mic!
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RE: $40 MIC That Kicks A$$
2008/05/16 11:20:19
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ORIGINAL: LixiSoft
I view this mic as an instrument mic, not a vocal mic.
Yeah, but look at all those other nice mics you've got to work with! Nice tip about the off-axis use BTW. I'll have to try that out on an instrument sometime.
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RE: $40 MIC That Kicks A$$
2008/05/22 10:42:21
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oh, well... I just picked up 3 of them, plus 1 shockmount.. ordered them in the US.. more of a "private based" order.. that has cost me quite a bit though.. (he didn't have the good pssl.com price  ) in total I paid with shipping, customs,.. ~ 270$.. and 2 of the mics were used.. so, anyway.. I just hooked one up really fast.. and it works  , it has a very "dark" sound.. but that's ok.. my SP C1 is too bright anyway.. so they match pretty good to my other mics.
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RE: $40 MIC That Kicks A$$
2008/05/22 12:54:00
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Yeah, dark-ish, but also smooooooooooth. (Not sure there are enough "o's" to describe it.) Probably have to get a ribbon before you jump up to a new level of smoothness.
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Dave King
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RE: $40 MIC That Kicks A$$
2008/06/27 23:11:35
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$40 Mic Update:
I tried it on my Martin acoustic last night and did a shootout with my other condensors.
The WINNER: The $40 mic.
I will need to roll off some of the low end or use the high pass filter on my preamp for it to work well in a mix. But nevertheless, it was my fave of the group - competing with $300 mics.
Go figure..
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RE: $40 MIC That Kicks A$$
2008/06/27 23:24:03
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I recorded a kids choir the other day for use as backing for a show at Disney world. They did a great job. Er the mics I mean......I'm going to try recording an old chickering upright grand this weekend with my pair. Wish I bought a few more... any chance that PSSL is going to get any more ?
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RE: $40 MIC That Kicks A$$
2008/06/27 23:59:46
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ORIGINAL: Dave King
$40 Mic Update:
I tried it on my Martin acoustic last night and did a shootout with my other condensors.
The WINNER: The $40 mic.
I will need to roll off some of the low end or use the high pass filter on my preamp for it to work well in a mix. But nevertheless, it was my fave of the group - competing with $300 mics.
Go figure..
Awesome!!! I picked up two of them a while back, but have not had a chance to mess with them yet. Good to hear that they work well on a Martin acoustic, as I have a few tunes I that will require me to record my D16 pretty soon. Thanks! -mr moon
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RE: $40 MIC That Kicks A$$
2008/06/28 11:51:36
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I've done a little vocal tracking with them and am very satisfied. A little eq here and there, but I don't have to do as much "fixing" as I did with my MXP 2001.
Once in a while, something nice comes along... looks like we had one of those moments.
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RE: $40 MIC That Kicks A$$
2008/06/30 16:02:02
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Well, I finally bit the bullet and ordered two of them. If they're solid for the VO work I've been doing, I'll order up two more. Can't wait to hear 'em!
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RE: $40 MIC That Kicks A$$
2008/07/07 00:16:56
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Well, I finally bit the bullet and ordered two of them. If they're solid for the VO work I've been doing, I'll order up two more. Can't wait to hear 'em!
Corey
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Dave King
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RE: $40 MIC That Kicks A$$
2008/07/07 00:19:11
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If they're solid for the VO work I've been doing, I'll order up two more. Just make sure you use a pop filter - they are sensitive to plosives.
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Russell.Whaley
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RE: $40 MIC That Kicks A$$
2008/07/07 01:42:21
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+1 on the pop screen. I use a basic screen, and it eliminates the plosives quite satisfactorily.
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lazarous
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RE: $40 MIC That Kicks A$$
2008/07/07 09:52:58
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If they're solid for the VO work I've been doing, I'll order up two more.
Just make sure you use a pop filter - they are sensitive to plosives.
With the actors/actresses I'm currently working with, I can't imagine NOT using a pop filter. Even my Senn 421's need 'em! LOL Thanks for the suggestion, Dave and Russ! Muchly appreciated. {Corey fidgets at day job waiting to get home and try new mics...} Corey
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lazarous
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RE: $40 MIC That Kicks A$$
2008/07/08 12:42:34
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Ok, so they weren't waiting when I got home, which is usually the way things work with UPS. Instead, they appeared just as the rest of the band showed up. DANG. Didn't have a chance to set them up and try them. After the band left, I did take them out of the packaging. Here's my thoughts from an "I handled them but didn't plug them in" point of view:
Wow are the tube shells thin. I can make them ring by flicking my finger against the shell. This concerns me a bit, so I took one apart, and I'm planning to do some modifications to it. I'm going to have to check earlier in this thread and see what mods were made by someone else.
Other than that, they LOOK great. Can't wait to try them out tonight.
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RE: $40 MIC That Kicks A$$
2008/07/08 23:43:31
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Holy CRAP am I impressed on the first listen/recording. I need to do some comparisons to other tools in the box, but I'm excited.
I think I'll order up another pair if Jim's mods are reasonably priced!
Corey
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