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Re:A PLEA: To Cakewalk and staff. 2010/12/24 15:16:29 (permalink)
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Well I won't go over and over the problem now



You're kidding me, right? You can write all these lengthy posts, but you can't just state why the absence of the thing from the plot is a problem for you?

I've stated it MANY times already in a few threads.  Gimme a break.
This is all very time consuming too- I'd rather be making music.
 
Oh wait I'm having trouble doing that due to some new issues that I'm experiencing with Sonar.  Doh! :P
 
 

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Re:A PLEA: To Cakewalk and staff. 2010/12/24 15:17:49 (permalink)
VST version is bundled with X1, so how would you not have it?

 
I haven't even looked for it :P
 
 

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Re:A PLEA: To Cakewalk and staff. 2010/12/24 15:19:01 (permalink)
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"Well, showstopping functions is exactly what I'm talking about."

Then why bring up audiosnap? Thats a feature, crashing to the desktop is a showstopper.

"You're kidding me, right? You can write all these lengthy posts, but you can't just state why the absence of the thing from the plot is a problem for you? "


John, we have another thread about this discussion can we please keep it contained. Thanks.




Got a link to where he answers my question, then?

My point, if it's not clear, is that he's simply being evasive, because we have actually managed to specify the issue down to something that would look a bit embarrassingly minor after all this verbiage.


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Re:A PLEA: To Cakewalk and staff. 2010/12/24 15:21:17 (permalink)
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(For the record, you guys way over-estimate the difference in the need for precision between electronica mixes and live instrument mixes. Everyone still has to get the same kind of solid as a rock modern production nowadays, whether it's a guitar band or an entirely electronic track).


OF COURSE each genre/type of recording presents its own difficulties - but anyone who works deeply with synths knows that the frequency range of a synth can be very wide and deep.   In those situations the surgical needs are acute. 

Indeed it can. But anyone who works deeply with distorted electric guitar knows that presents exactly the same problem, across a similarly staggering frequency range. And pinpointing precise ranges to cut precisely to make room for other instruments is similarly forensic. Add a second guitar, even more so. Throw in a string section, and you're in a world of pain if you can't be precise.

Seriously, mixing for synths is less specialist and unique than you guys seem to think. A bunch of sounds that need to fit together sympathetically in the audible range is all it is, and there's nothing magical about non-synth sounds that makes this any easier.

Ok.
 
 

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Re:A PLEA: To Cakewalk and staff. 2010/12/24 15:23:09 (permalink)
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"Well, showstopping functions is exactly what I'm talking about."

Then why bring up audiosnap? Thats a feature, crashing to the desktop is a showstopper.

"You're kidding me, right? You can write all these lengthy posts, but you can't just state why the absence of the thing from the plot is a problem for you? "


John, we have another thread about this discussion can we please keep it contained. Thanks.




Got a link to where he answers my question, then?

My point, if it's not clear, is that he's simply being evasive, because we have actually managed to specify the issue down to something that would look a bit embarrassingly minor after all this verbiage.

Sigh.  You were even part of other threads where we dissected this over and over.
 
You're being argumentative again, I submit.
 
And if you want to demean me for not indulging your need to be argumentative, that's fine.   Enjoy it.
 
I'm gonna log outta here and try to solve my problems now. 
 
 

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Re:A PLEA: To Cakewalk and staff. 2010/12/24 15:28:13 (permalink)
Yeah, I am being argumentative, I agree. Because I think a lot of this stuff doesn't hold up, and I think it's a bit off for people to so merrily poison the well by wildly overstating their case all the time.

We can see in this very thread that someone has built up an impression of X1 as damn near useless for working on old projects. That kind of thing wouldn't happen if people would employ a bit of perspective before posting.

This EQ plot thing is absurdly minor. You know it, I know it.

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Re:A PLEA: To Cakewalk and staff. 2010/12/24 15:29:19 (permalink)
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Re:A PLEA: To Cakewalk and staff. 2010/12/24 15:34:19 (permalink)
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Yeah, I am being argumentative, I agree. Because I think a lot of this stuff doesn't hold up, and I think it's a bit off for people to so merrily poison the well by wildly overstating their case all the time.

We can see in this very thread that someone has built up an impression of X1 as damn near useless for working on old projects. That kind of thing wouldn't happen if people would employ a bit of perspective before posting.

This EQ plot thing is absurdly minor. You know it, I know it.
I'm going to step out of character for a moment because I haven't a system not functioning with Sonar well enough for me to do my work, so I'm frustrated and will not be having a merry christmas, but I try to be tolerant as best I can.
 
But at this point, you're becoming arrogant, derogatory, and bordering on inciting ill will.
 
I'm just letting you know, I'm done engaging with you in this thread and probably for hours to come.
 
If people cannot state their case in an honest discussion and debate format without you having the need to be right all the time, and resorting to disrespect of their thoughts and feelings when different than yours, then it's not worth giving you the time or the platform to do so.
 
I'lll regret saying this later, I'm sure -- but YOU'VE become absurdly minor as well.
 
Have a good a day John.
 
 
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Re:A PLEA: To Cakewalk and staff. 2010/12/24 15:37:38 (permalink)
I don't need to be right at all. I'm asking you to explain why this particular thing is such a problem, and you're refusing to do it. If you could explain what it is that you're being prevented from achieving by it, I'd be the first to agree it was a problem.

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Re:A PLEA: To Cakewalk and staff. 2010/12/24 15:41:17 (permalink)
John T,

Here is the original 6 page discussion on this very subject.

http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.aspx?&m=2162203&mpage=2

If its necessary to be argumentative, lets carry the discussion over to the original thread. thanks.

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Re:A PLEA: To Cakewalk and staff. 2010/12/24 15:43:23 (permalink)
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John T,

Here is the original 6 page discussion on this very subject.

http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.aspx?&m=2162203&mpage=2

If its necessary to be argumentative, lets carry the discussion over to the original thread. thanks.

heh, thanks for that Scott.  How quickly some people forget, eh? ;)
 
 

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Re:A PLEA: To Cakewalk and staff. 2010/12/24 15:44:25 (permalink)
That thread isn't about this Sonitus not being in-line after replacement thing at all.

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Re:A PLEA: To Cakewalk and staff. 2010/12/24 15:45:33 (permalink)
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"Well, showstopping functions is exactly what I'm talking about."

Then why bring up audiosnap? Thats a feature, crashing to the desktop is a showstopper.

"You're kidding me, right? You can write all these lengthy posts, but you can't just state why the absence of the thing from the plot is a problem for you? "


John, we have another thread about this discussion can we please keep it contained. Thanks.




Got a link to where he answers my question, then?

My point, if it's not clear, is that he's simply being evasive, because we have actually managed to specify the issue down to something that would look a bit embarrassingly minor after all this verbiage.
Sigh.  You were even part of other threads where we dissected this over and over.
 
You're being argumentative again, I submit.
 
And if you want to demean me for not indulging your need to be argumentative, that's fine.   Enjoy it.
 
I'm gonna log outta here and try to solve my problems now. 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  
 

 
 
He won't Billy - You've been around long enough to know what John T is about - as much as you see him demeaning every post (such as this one) that has anything critical to say about this release..and then you look up and see that all he has done is load older projects up and play them back..well, you can see how much value his " informed passionate opinions" have.. Heck - we've known X1 for the most part snaps in and loads 8.5.3 project easily from the minute it was released.. It's when you start working with it that it shows what is going on..
 
All he wants to do is argue, belittle and dump insecurities and attitude all over the board
 
For those of us who would like to see X1 be what it is capable of - well have to speak "over" him...
 
He is part of the problem.. not the solutions that will get this release to where the Bakers and all of us want it to be ....
 
John T - Until and when you use the program for anything other then playback..You bring NOTHING to the table...NOTHING.... and even then I'm not convinced it will be much..jmo
 
Anyway...no matter what eventually is decided or where it ends up.. I agree.. it's Christmas and these guys deserve a break from the inbound...
 
Merry Christmas Bakers!...take a break..enjoy your families...you deserve and need it! This will keep and it will get there.. eventually
 
 
 
 

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Re:A PLEA: To Cakewalk and staff. 2010/12/24 15:48:42 (permalink)
"That thread isn't about this Sonitus not being in-line after replacement thing at all."

And this thread is?

The link provided
is about the plot, the EQ and everything else you have been argumentative about. In fact, the very thread you are voicing your perspective from, which is also apparent in that thread as well.

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Re:A PLEA: To Cakewalk and staff. 2010/12/24 15:50:49 (permalink)
Im with you on this one Billy. I want to write some music and am excited. Oh wait, I cant bounce or export audio...... /sigh

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Re:A PLEA: To Cakewalk and staff. 2010/12/24 15:53:20 (permalink)
Look, we've had a conversation here, and as conversations do, it'#s meandered somewhat.

You and Billy are answering my quite specific question by saying "this is dealt with in the other thread". It isn't dealt with in the other thread.

It's notable, to me, that people tend to be happy with conversational meandering right up until the point they can't give a straight answer to a simple question, at which point all this diversionary stuff kicks in.



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Re:A PLEA: To Cakewalk and staff. 2010/12/24 15:57:35 (permalink)
Thanks for your thoughts, DK.

Happy Holidays.


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Re:A PLEA: To Cakewalk and staff. 2010/12/24 15:59:05 (permalink)
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"That thread isn't about this Sonitus not being in-line after replacement thing at all."

And this thread is?



LOL





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Re:A PLEA: To Cakewalk and staff. 2010/12/24 16:01:39 (permalink)
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Im with you on this one Billy. I want to write some music and am excited. Oh wait, I cant bounce or export audio...... /sigh


Well, gee, Scott - it must be your system.  You know, the one that worked really well until a few days ago? 

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Re:A PLEA: To Cakewalk and staff. 2010/12/24 16:04:28 (permalink)
Billy, the system that has 0 internet, 19 active threads, never crashes, used the same audio card for 9 years without a hicup.

But don't get me started, I'm still trying to select my clips

http://www.youtube.com/user/Dezacrator?feature=mhum#p/a/u/1/iT7wsZZfqIY
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Re:A PLEA: To Cakewalk and staff. 2010/12/24 16:05:59 (permalink)
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Billy, the system that has 0 internet, 19 active threads, never crashes, used the same audio card for 9 years without a hicup.

But dont get my started, Im still trying to select my clips

http://www.youtube.com/user/Dezacrator?feature=mhum#p/a/u/1/iT7wsZZfqIY

Oh John will have fun with that one... it's so minor ya know ;)




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Re:A PLEA: To Cakewalk and staff. 2010/12/24 16:06:42 (permalink)
Well, there you go; a real problem that actually matters.

Audio guys really should understand the importance of signal to noise ratio. The ratio on this board right now is hopeless.

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Re:A PLEA: To Cakewalk and staff. 2010/12/24 16:07:34 (permalink)
Maybe I can audiosnap them

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Re:A PLEA: To Cakewalk and staff. 2010/12/24 16:09:19 (permalink)
Scott Lee


Maybe I can audiosnap them


LOL!

BTW let John T know I'm INGORING him. ;)



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Re:A PLEA: To Cakewalk and staff. 2010/12/24 16:21:47 (permalink)
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Maybe I can audiosnap them

 
Love it....:)

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Re:A PLEA: To Cakewalk and staff. 2010/12/24 16:50:09 (permalink)
Here is a video of another showstopper for me.

http://www.youtube.com/user/Dezacrator?feature=mhum#p/a/u/0/U4mdZLzXunE

Loadup I have access to bounce to clip, bounce to track, and export audio. As soon as I record anything, all these features become greyed out. happens everytime, every template, and even sometimes default greyed even on a straight bootup.

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Re:A PLEA: To Cakewalk and staff. 2010/12/24 16:54:03 (permalink)
Best advice: keep mission-critical projects in 853 until you have mastered x1 and are ready to migrate that project; start new projects with x1 to get up to speed.

I use Sony Vegas for video, and the last two releases have been disasters - bugs, things that worked before now broken... kinda like what has happened here. 

I think these companies are in such a rush to get one-up on the competition and garner more new customers, they forget that their products are successful only because of loyal user communities. 

I don't care about the upgrade costs, $100-200 a year is fine to stay current. What we've lost is the idea that once you pay your money, you're getting a "finished" product. 

I believe that both CW and Sony should greatly expand their beta programs to include the expert and highly-skilled members of communities like this one. Give us a discount coupon for when the product goes "live," but don't release it until it has passed muster with us, the users. That way, we'll be more involved in testing, and new users will get a program that has been thoroughly disastered before they get it.

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Re:A PLEA: To Cakewalk and staff. 2010/12/24 17:10:42 (permalink)
"I believe that both CW and Sony should greatly expand their beta programs to include the expert and highly-skilled members of communities like this one."

Absolutely! We are beta testing to some extent, which is exactly the point to this thread. We need management to open the channels of communication so the community can refine and target these issues more effectively.

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Re:A PLEA: To Cakewalk and staff. 2010/12/24 17:15:46 (permalink)
new version new bugs and some useful features removed?  - same old song since ages - how boring - every new version is a guarantee for frustration....so why update? 8.53 is so nice alredy who needs copycat-graphics...



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Re:A PLEA: To Cakewalk and staff. 2010/12/24 17:16:36 (permalink)
John T


Well, there you go; a real problem that actually matters.

Audio guys really should understand the importance of signal to noise ratio. The ratio on this board right now is hopeless.
 
 
 
 
 

said noise.....
 
 
 
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