Scott Lee


"Running from an image could well be the problem."

Or it could be a bug in X1a.

But if you want to blame a low level snapshot of the hard drive as a issue, by all means John T. Disk imaging consists of a sector by sector data copy, it cares less about file directories much less Sonar. A data snapshot if you will of the drive in a state as a whole.

But I can snuff out your theory quickly. Dec 8th X1 was installed on my system, at which, worked properly. Meaning, Bouncing worked, exporting worked as intended. Since then, no disk images rebooted, 0 installations, hardware changes, or setting altered in anyway minus the X1a patch.

Middleman


Scott, seriously, ask for help instead of demonizing the product. There are a lot of people that would be more than happy to help you work through the problem.

Scott Lee


Middleman,

You first where claiming  I was running some sort of virtual environment system, of which again, I ask you where did I ever post such an outlandish statement? It seems to me you are now back pedaling and still not answering the question.

I again am documenting  my finding about X1a in the official Sonar X1 forums with videos. This is what these very forums are about, to help one another sort out issues and make the developer aware of software glitches. I have been on both sides of the fence with Sonar X1, both giving it heavy praises and speaking out on issues.

I am happy that the sonar forums have such a excellent community of talented users that can document and explore all aspects of possible bugs and correcting them.

ba_midi

Scott Lee


"you never responded to the unusual boot in that video"

Unusual boot? Sonar X1 has the ability to use a custom template called Normal.cwt or Normal.tpl (this would live in the normal Sonars main directory) as the default loadup template. This is how the software is suppose to function, as documented in the operational manual. Nothing on my bootup is out of ordinary from any other XP SP3 32-bit system.

I also will re note that regardless of whatever template I load up on either being blank or any of the defaults, I still get greyed out bounces and export audio functionality as posted in a previous message on this thread.

Scott - have you tried reinstalling any of the C++ redistributables?  I'm not sure they're directly related to this, but perhaps they are in some way.
 
Worth a try right?  I did so.  It didn't solve MY issue, but I didn't think it would.  However, having some things greyed out MIGHT suggest it's a C++ runtime problem.
 

vksf01

ba_midi

Scott Lee


"you never responded to the unusual boot in that video"

Unusual boot? Sonar X1 has the ability to use a custom template called Normal.cwt or Normal.tpl (this would live in the normal Sonars main directory) as the default loadup template. This is how the software is suppose to function, as documented in the operational manual. Nothing on my bootup is out of ordinary from any other XP SP3 32-bit system.

I also will re note that regardless of whatever template I load up on either being blank or any of the defaults, I still get greyed out bounces and export audio functionality as posted in a previous message on this thread.

Scott - have you tried reinstalling any of the C++ redistributables?  I'm not sure they're directly related to this, but perhaps they are in some way.

Worth a try right?  I did so.  It didn't solve MY issue, but I didn't think it would.  However, having some things greyed out MIGHT suggest it's a C++ runtime problem.

Hey Billy,
Which redistributable did you reinstall?  I'm tempted to reinstall X1 (after I had to do a system restore just to get 8.5.3 to run again), but I'm a little bit wary of breaking my system yet again.

ba_midi

Hey Billy, Which redistributable did you reinstall? I'm tempted to reinstall X1 (after I had to do a system restore just to get 8.5.3 to run again), but I'm a little bit wary of breaking my system yet again.

 
PS - I strongly recommend people make an IMAGE BACKUP of at least their OS drive before doing anything like installing a new version such as X1.
 
I was able to revert (as time consuming as it was) and found that my system did NOT have the problem it NOW has after X1 being installed.
 
So if you're concerned, make a good image backup when things are working at their best -- and make new ones when necessary.
They really can be both live savers and good debugging tools.
 
Time consuming ... YES, sigh.  Necessary.  YES as well.
 
 

ba_midi

vksf01

ba_midi

Hey Billy, Which redistributable did you reinstall? I'm tempted to reinstall X1 (after I had to do a system restore just to get 8.5.3 to run again), but I'm a little bit wary of breaking my system yet again.

PS - I strongly recommend people make an IMAGE BACKUP of at least their OS drive before doing anything like installing a new version such as X1.

I was able to revert (as time consuming as it was) and found that my system did NOT have the problem it NOW has after X1 being installed.

So if you're concerned, make a good image backup when things are working at their best -- and make new ones when necessary.
They really can be both live savers and good debugging tools.

Time consuming ... YES, sigh.  Necessary.  YES as well.

Thanks for that.  I spent the weekend trying different options to get my 8.5.3 to work again without crashing and the system restore was the only thing that got things back to the way they were, so naturally, I'm a bit gunshy right now about putting X1 back in again.  Maybe when I've got some more spare time (or Cake release X1b) i'll do it again.

It's times like these that the Mac has the advantage over Windows....but then I'd have to go to logic....nah....

THere are definitely consequences when installing ANYTHING on a computer.  All it takes is a little power hiccup or Windows being nasty and we can be out of business.  So one has to take steps to protect oneself, for sure.

I'm actually curious about Logic -- but I'm also now curious about some other vendors in the PC market. 

Since CW seems to want to look/feel like some of the others, it made me think there might be something to the others lol.   I don't know, but I owe it to myself to explore now.

However - you might at least try the redistributables.  As I said - it can't harm you.

The downside to all of this is, as we've stated, the time it takes.

I would easily say that the last 2 weeks of my life have been mostly about figuring things out, fixing problesm, reinstalling drivers, changing video card, debugging weirdness, etc...  all because I wanted to be an early adopter of X1.

I've made the least amount of music I have for the whole year, though I'm getting back to things being a LITTLE more normalized now.

I'd rather have not had to go through all this struggling, but too late now lol.   So onward I go.

I hope things get resolved for you.  Keep us posted.

ba_midi

Not to derail this thread, but it's pretty surprising how much X1 looks like Logic, with the docked windows, etc. Even the X1 media browser is on the same side as logic. Of course, the chances of me going Mac are slim to none at all. I can't even begin to imagine the crap I'd get from my Mac friends whom I've always been extolling the virtues of Sonar! Back to the Sonar, my machine was running perfectly with 8.5.3 (it's an ADK Machine) until I installed X1 and everything just started blowing up. So the next time I try to install X1 again, I'm just going to create another restore point.

I don't really want to go MAC either.  But it's funny you mention this.  Over this xmas weekend some other musician friends dropped by.  One is a big MAC head and uses Logic.   We both commented on how much X1 and Logic have in common (now).   But this is true of X1 and Studio One as well.

Of course there ARE differences, but they all seem to want to look and feel like each other more and more it seems.  A lot of homogenization going on.

Logic is defintely more like Sonar for the MAC.  And some big big producers/creative people I really like do use Logic or Live on the MAC.   I use Live here as well and actually like it quite a lot.

I suspect most Sonar users would hate Live ... the interface is RADICALLY different.   But that's an assumption on my part of course.

Well, getting back to things -- you should at least try the redistributables.  You have nothing to lose at this point, right?

Actually, I have Live as well, but I was using it more for the rare occasions I play out live (and not DJing). Yes, it is a big paradigm shift (there I said it), but for quick live performances, it cannot be beat (and no, Matrix view on Sonar just doesn't cut it) Speaking of installing the redistributables, I'm assuming you do this after reinstalling X1, since the X1 installer seems to be the one that has installed the "bad" code, correct?