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Re: Anyone Else Notice a Shift in this Forum?
2015/05/15 10:45:09
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BobF
IMO, there are several really good reasons. First, I think the folks that had something to say have finally finished. Then there are (in no particular order) alprazolam, lorazepam, diazepam, clonazepam and related medications, along with wine and other relaxants. 
And...morphine, hopefully in an IT pump, so it drips into your spine 24/7 such as what is needed for scoliosis.
Win 10 Pro x64, 32Gb DDR3 ram, Sonar Platinum, Cubase 9.5, Mackie MCU Pro, Cakewalk VS 100, Roland Octa-Capture, A 800 Pro, Carver M-1.5t amp & C4000 pre amp, various mics, drums and brass instruments. And away we go!
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Re: Anyone Else Notice a Shift in this Forum?
2015/05/15 10:45:23
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@Cactus - Yeah there should be a newbies forum, it can be intimidating for some.
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Re: Anyone Else Notice a Shift in this Forum?
2015/05/15 10:51:48
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I'm doing just fine here as a noob. I don't read the posts that are more advanced. The speed of the answer is phenomenal. my laptop took a dump so upgrading to an i5 desktop. More fun reinstalling everything
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Re: Anyone Else Notice a Shift in this Forum?
2015/05/15 20:34:34
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jatoth
Then again, maybe some have just given up beating that dead horse. (ie Jerry, et al)
This. Either Mr. Ed is dead, he is in a coma as a result of a nasty staphylococcus infection.
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Re: Anyone Else Notice a Shift in this Forum?
2015/05/15 20:38:48
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Cactus Music
Speaking as a regular, I have lost interest in this part of the forum.
I like helping new people start out and for some reason that has faded here.
We're picking up new users at a pretty good rate these days, so check back periodically. I think your contributions were always valued.
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Re: Anyone Else Notice a Shift in this Forum?
2015/05/15 22:08:37
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Some long time users have left because Cakewalk ignored their requests.
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Re: Anyone Else Notice a Shift in this Forum?
2015/05/15 22:12:45
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Bad time to leave as cakewalk have been listening really hard over the last few months and delivering. You can't instantly please all of the people though.
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Re: Anyone Else Notice a Shift in this Forum?
2015/05/15 22:15:10
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They haven't been listening to the people in the notation thread.
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Re: Anyone Else Notice a Shift in this Forum?
2015/05/15 22:21:02
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But those posters haven't gone away have they...! Like I say you can't please all people. There's shed loads of other work to do with basic workflow, and delivering a satisfactory notation solution will take a lot of development time so I'm not surprised that it hasn't been tackled yet. They are doing it right. Tackle the core first then look at the layers of functionality on top.
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Re: Anyone Else Notice a Shift in this Forum?
2015/05/15 22:23:09
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☄ Helpfulby SteveStrummerUK 2015/05/17 17:09:44
You don't know the history. People have been asking for 20 years. It's not on any Cakewalk to do list.
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Re: Anyone Else Notice a Shift in this Forum?
2015/05/15 22:32:10
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Does that make it more important than everything else?... Drum maps has been fixed but the UI still sucks balls... Take lanes still has bugs and UI functionality isn't optimal. Problems with midi are getting resolved but there are still a few outstanding issues. Controller functionity has some really annoyong bugs. There are various workflow and UI issues. It looks like Cakewalk is finally tackling all this and taking it seriously. If you read the pdf's there is a lot of work being done monthly. On Roland's watch the response was pathetic. Sonar X3 was a big improvement but then died on X3E. Platinum is taking all the awards as we see progress monthly. Notation will have it's day. We are just getting started.
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Re: Anyone Else Notice a Shift in this Forum?
2015/05/15 22:35:00
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Also with notation at least there are third party alternatives to plug the hole. The above would be very difficult (well impossible) to plug with third party apps unless you hook in another DAW.
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Re: Anyone Else Notice a Shift in this Forum?
2015/05/15 22:40:06
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vintagevibe
Some long time users have left because Cakewalk ignored their requests.
And some never bought it in the first place because, for example, Ableton Live or Logic suited their needs better. So what? The reason why there are many different DAWs is because they have different priorities and serve different audiences. If Cakewalk wants to stay in business, and I believe they do, then they should prioritize providing what the greatest percentage of their core audience wants. That is exactly what they are doing, with decisions based on surveys of their users (whose statistical validity is far greater than anecdotal evidence on a forum that represents a single-digit percentage of the active user base). To say that Cakewalk ignores the requests of notation fans is inaccurate. To say that they haven't implemented the requests of notation fans would be accurate. vintagevibe
You don't know the history. People have been asking for 20 years. It's not on any Cakewalk to do list.
As to history, this isn't the same company that it was 20 years ago, let alone prior to September 2013...although since you seem confident about stating what's not on Cakewalk's to do list, maybe you know something I don't know. I haven't seen any list myself. The only list i see is the fixes being implemented, so I can include them in the eZine.
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Re: Anyone Else Notice a Shift in this Forum?
2015/05/15 23:11:23
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vintagevibe
Some long time users have left because Cakewalk ignored their requests.
And some never bought it in the first place because, for example, Ableton Live or Logic suited their needs better. So what? The reason why there are many different DAWs is because they have different priorities and serve different audiences. If Cakewalk wants to stay in business, and I believe they do, then they should prioritize providing what the greatest percentage of their core audience wants. That is exactly what they are doing, with decisions based on surveys of their users (whose statistical validity is far greater than anecdotal evidence on a forum that represents a single-digit percentage of the active user base).
To say that Cakewalk ignores the requests of notation fans is inaccurate. To say that they haven't implemented the requests of notation fans would be accurate.
vintagevibe
You don't know the history. People have been asking for 20 years. It's not on any Cakewalk to do list.
As to history, this isn't the same company that it was 20 years ago, let alone prior to September 2013...although since you seem confident about stating what's not on Cakewalk's to do list, maybe you know something I don't know. I haven't seen any list myself. The only list i see is the fixes being implemented, so I can include them in the eZine.
You and Cakewalk employees have said it is not a priority. Add that to the fact that it's never been addressed in all these years and I'm pretty confident with my statement.
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Re: Anyone Else Notice a Shift in this Forum?
2015/05/16 00:11:55
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vintagevibe
You and Cakewalk employees have said it is not a priority. Add that to the fact that it's never been addressed in all these years and I'm pretty confident with my statement.
There were two staff view fixes in Dorchester, but they probably just fixed themselves. 
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Re: Anyone Else Notice a Shift in this Forum?
2015/05/16 00:42:52
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vintagevibe
You and Cakewalk employees have said it is not a priority. Add that to the fact that it's never been addressed in all these years and I'm pretty confident with my statement.
There were two staff view fixes in Dorchester, but they probably just fixed themselves.
They probably did fix them selves. They were so tired of waiting. 
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Re: Anyone Else Notice a Shift in this Forum?
2015/05/16 01:16:01
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vintagevibe
Some long time users have left because Cakewalk ignored their requests.
I can relate to that - I stayed on Sonar 4 for five years since my reports were ignored. Then I got a new daw and needed x64 version and updated 8.5. That's a lot of money Cakewalk has been loosing out on over the years having that approach - multiplying with every user with similar problems. Something changed with X3 - and a boost in confidence and determination from Cakewalk. So X3 update - but let it rest again for 15 months due to showstopper problems. But now even more determination and my former showstopper gone - it's a joyride. In Dorchester at least one from X3 days bug were fixed in Artist - another got even worse than before, but not showstopper, just annoying blobs covering gui(also from X3 days, new report filed CWBRN-32826 after Dorchester). But this new approach monthly having quite a list of things attended to - every release. Cakewalk are on it and improving how they attend to things reported. After all, I saw that report number increase by a thousand each month or so - summing these up, see what is possibly same cause, sorting and evaluating it quite a task - then file on todo list. And notation improvements are pretty high on my request list too. Will experiment and see if music xml export works with different time signatures and how much fiddling before getting it right in external notation.
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Re: Anyone Else Notice a Shift in this Forum?
2015/05/16 01:33:01
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Actually I believe Cakewalk lost a number of users from not responding to Notation requests. Only really Jerry recently, but when it was imoplied that it was the same people asking and not a great range in on post a while back, I went through a stack of threads and listed all those that had been requested. The list is posted in one of the feature request with a link to the thread. I didn't just take those that posted, as some weren't posting to say it was important to them. I took just those who said they cared, many said it was important enough that they would move on. So many of the names from that list had stopped posting, so I'd say many havn't just stop posting, but moved on.
Then theres all those that read the threads and never posted but sat at their PCs nodding, so I think Cakewalk has lost business through not dealing with Notation or combined with that and other issues.
The question is, are they listening now regard this issue, and can they demonstrate it. As they have said it was something they took seriously many times and did nothing, I'll beleive it when I see it.
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Re: Anyone Else Notice a Shift in this Forum?
2015/05/16 06:23:53
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Hey can we get back on topic? There's another huge thread for notation we don't need another :)
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Re: Anyone Else Notice a Shift in this Forum?
2015/05/16 08:09:22
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There are prolly a number of requests that seem like they are being ignored, when in reality they are being set aside because the longer term plan we don't see indicates that they will be obsoleted. IOW, effort expended now will be thrown out in the future. The best example I have are the GUI bugs and inconsistencies that drove me nutz all the way thru 8.5. I had been reporting them heavily in S7 and continued to do so in S8. I was pretty miffed at the gall to ignore these glaring errors. Guess what? One more release and they all went away ... I learned a long time ago that when something somebody else does seems beyond reason, it's prolly NOT because they are unreasonable. It's more likely there are things included in their line of reasoning that I'm not aware of. In these cases it's best to ask questions rather than criticize. That's NOT to say you'll necessarily get answers 
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Re: Anyone Else Notice a Shift in this Forum?
2015/05/16 08:21:57
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☄ Helpfulby SteveStrummerUK 2015/05/17 17:12:31
Doktor Avalanche
There's less traffic, the regulars aren't posting much (not sure why). And people are bored of bunfights.
There are fewer bugs in platinum but still there are enough for it to be of major concern. I think it's because people are seeing things fixed so don't have to be so vocal (more trust).
Alex you bought up Traffic and seeing bugs being fixed. Posters leaving because bugs aren't being fixed is part of the equation. If responding to your post is off topic, then it's because you took it there. :)
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Re: Anyone Else Notice a Shift in this Forum?
2015/05/16 08:35:31
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Kamikaze
Alex you bought up Traffic and seeing bugs being fixed. Posters leaving because bugs aren't being fixed is part of the equation. If responding to your post is off topic, then it's because you took it there. :)
This... Doktor Avalanche
There's less traffic, the regulars aren't posting much (not sure why). And people are bored of bunfights.
There are fewer bugs in platinum but still there are enough for it to be of major concern. I think it's because people are seeing things fixed so don't have to be so vocal (more trust).
... is a direct response to the OP. It is totally on topic. Just because I and the OP mentions eggs doesn't mean the whole topic has to be about a specific type of egg from then on for the entire thread.
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Re: Anyone Else Notice a Shift in this Forum?
2015/05/16 09:45:39
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I just realised it was a bad analogy... it's about the omelette and the people who eat them, and not about the eggs
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Re: Anyone Else Notice a Shift in this Forum?
2015/05/16 09:51:36
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Don't forget you wanted tea with that omelette, I guess you wanted that in a made with water for a kettle rather than a black pot.
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Re: Anyone Else Notice a Shift in this Forum?
2015/05/16 09:55:07
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You're having scrambled eggs I see...
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Re: Anyone Else Notice a Shift in this Forum?
2015/05/16 10:25:18
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Either way, you have to break the eggs...
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Re: Anyone Else Notice a Shift in this Forum?
2015/05/16 10:45:59
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Re: Anyone Else Notice a Shift in this Forum?
2015/05/16 10:52:15
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I have a feeling if someone started a thread with pictures called "Kittens Using SONAR," someone would point out that none of the kittens were using staff view, because SONAR needs staff view improvements.
Anyway, rather than continue the never-ending conversation with those who see any topic as worth hijacking into an opportunity to talk about staff view, I'll once again re-iterate what I said at the beginning and give props to the community for contributing more tips and techniques, being very specific about the fixes they bring up, resurrecting threads with long-standing bugs to get mindshare, coming up with cool software accessories, and also, props to the Bakers for accelerating the rate of fixes.
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Re: Anyone Else Notice a Shift in this Forum?
2015/05/16 11:16:19
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☄ Helpfulby SteveStrummerUK 2015/05/17 17:13:40
Long time Sonar/forum user here. I've never really had much interaction on the forum, started a few threads, commented on a few others, generally I like to read rather than discuss. Also, working daily using several DAWs (multi platform) mean that I rarely have the time to interact, so apologies for that. I think the maintenance of this forum has improved 100%; no more (or at least far fewer) spam threads clogging the place up, threads being moved to the appropriate place etc. All very good work by the forum hosts and staff. However, the over zealous and condescending nature of one or two of the forum hosts, and all the bickering about them is the main reason I stopped visiting as often as I have in the past several years. I've no doubt that side of things have improved, I would hope so. Looking around here today (not sure when I last visited) I can certainly see far more interesting and useful threads than before, so long may that continue! I think Craig Anderton has had a great influence around here, from what I've seen he's the guy that keeps the place balanced. Mostly A few years ago, with the departure of the Robin Seth and Brandon, the forum lost it's mojo. I do believe that under the parental guidance of Craig Anderton, the forum has gradually been regaining it.
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Re: Anyone Else Notice a Shift in this Forum?
2015/05/16 11:33:24
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Anderton
"Kittens Using SONAR,"
That's the sort of thread I have been know to start in the forum discussion forums... believe me it doesn't work out. Nevermind it's not the end of the world.
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