dubdisciple
When it comes to subjects like staff view, it is easy to make unproven broad statements like claims Cakewalk has lost "lots" of customers over a chosen pet issue,

Well that notation thread seems to take up half the forum posts (not sure about traffic). You could argue that ""ignoring"" staff view (even though there are two fixes in Dorchester) increases forum engagement! 

Glad that's off your chest... Can we talk about bread and butter now?

I'm a butter side down type.

Well I know who I am. I never wanted to go down that path to be honest but c'est la vie. You do what you have to do in order to be taken seriously if only temporarily. Might be time for another persona change to be honest.

ampfixer
There has been a shift in the forums. More facts, less fun. Many of the guys that helped me get going have left or been run off. Too much nonsense with changing identities and moderators with agendas.
 
This is still a place where you can learn lots, but it's simply not fun anymore.

Which host has an agenda? 

John

ampfixer
There has been a shift in the forums. More facts, less fun. Many of the guys that helped me get going have left or been run off. Too much nonsense with changing identities and moderators with agendas.
 
This is still a place where you can learn lots, but it's simply not fun anymore.

Which host has an agenda? 

I think he said moderator not host.

BobF
Sounds like you made a single payment for the upgrade.  I'm pretty sure if you upgraded to Plat, you also paid for a years worth of 'membership'.    Check your store account ...

You're right, I did, though to be honest I had kind of forgotten....
 
I see that Allston is available in the CC.  Like I said, I haven't updated yet and really haven't been interested in doing so.  My system has been fairly stable, but I read a few problem reports that made me hesitate.  I guess the updates are not cumulative, you install each one in order?

konradh
I think the forum is still fun as well as being helpful.
 
I am, however, working on a program that will auto-reply to every post with a comment about Staff View.  Once I get that running, I will start work on an automatic which-DAW-is-best thread generator.

You do know that would drive us crazy! 

Keep coming back Alex.Phoenix yourself as often as you like.It is nice to have you.

John

ampfixer
There has been a shift in the forums. More facts, less fun. Many of the guys that helped me get going have left or been run off. Too much nonsense with changing identities and moderators with agendas.
 
This is still a place where you can learn lots, but it's simply not fun anymore.

Which host has an agenda? 

Here's a list of the best hosts:
http://bedroomproducersbl...vst-host-applications/

dubdisciple
When it comes to subjects like staff view, it is easy to make unproven broad statements like claims Cakewalk has lost "lots" of customers over a chosen pet issue, or the ever-popular claims of increased sells if cakewalk upgrades/adds/fixes a feature...Unprovable on the best of days without some measurable numbers instead of rhetoric.

Okay, here are some numbers for March 2015.
 
Of the top 10 music software brands, two brands make DAWs with a staff view.
 
Of the Top 10 DAW purchases (based on market share), those with a staff view are made by two companies (and one of them is #10).
 
If you take Pro Tools out of the picture, Ableton has a bigger market share than all DAW companies that include staff view combined...with the caveat that it's not possible to track sales of Logic. However, I suspect that stat would still hold even if Logic was included.

 
There are only two ways to gain market share and grow a business: Attract new users, or convince those who use other products to switch. SONAR 2015 is doing a great job of attracting new users. As to switching, anyone who thinks SONAR having an improved staff view is going to cause people to sell their Macs, ditch Pro Tools, and switch to SONAR is insane. Then again, wasn't it Einstein who said doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results is the definition of insanity...
 
Attract enough new users to gain enough resources to justify doing something with little (if any) return on investment, in fact probably a negative return on investment, and the odds of improving staff view increase dramatically because including it now might indeed help the bottom line 10 years in the future. This is why no one at Cakewalk is ruling anything out, even though some people claim to know what Cakewalk is or is not planning. They don't.
 
Meanwhile, I assume existing SONAR users would like the company to stay in business, and continue to improve the core program.
 
It's really quite simple.

Anderton
 
Of the top 10 music software brands, two brands make DAWs with a staff view.
 
Of the Top 10 DAW purchases (based on market share), those with a staff view are made by two companies (and one of them is #10).
 
If you take Pro Tools out of the picture, Ableton has a bigger market share than all DAW companies that include staff view combined...with the caveat that it's not possible to track sales of Logic. However, I suspect that stat would still hold even if Logic was included.

That's misleading.  You make it sound like few have or care about notation.   Protools, Cubase, Logic and Digital Performer all have excellent staff views.  Presonus purchased Notion and is working on integrating it with Studio One.  These are the serious tools of professionals.  These companies all apparently disagree with your assessment of the profitability of notation.  

vintagevibe

Anderton
 
,,,and the odds of improving staff view increase dramatically because including it now might indeed help the bottom line 10 years in the future. This is why no one at Cakewalk is ruling anything out, even though some people claim to know what Cakewalk is or is not planning. They don't.

 
So if they had done it 10 years ago they might be reaping the benefits now?  Interesting. 

Highly doubtful. Cakewalk couldn't have afforded to absorb negative ROI then, and it can't now. Which is why I predicated my statement on the assumption of an influx of new users. Perhaps you missed that part, or didn't quite understand it. Besides, the market was following a very different trajectory in 2005. I can only assume you weren't aware of that, either.
 
Besides that's not what I said, and surely you know it . You're deliberately ignoring the qualifiers, which I delineated quite clearly, that are involved in making those kinds of decisions.
 
You also know the company changed management and a whole lot more toward the beginning of 2014.
 
Rhetorical questions are a device for those whose agenda is not getting answer but making a point. Unfortunately your point is so unoriginal and repetitive it has lost any impact or relevance it might have had. Nor have you brought any facts to the table. I have.
 
I feel I've been very patient, but I cannot reason someone out of a position they did not use reason to attain.

Know what I think?  I think this is a good sign.  S-PlatD must be working well enough for folks that this is all we have to talk about  :)