dontletmedrown

Amazed

dontletmedrown

Here is a PT screenshot to give you an idea what we mean by "Import Session Data":

Thanks Dave, I've never had the chance too see this. So it can do a merge or complete replace of your current session?

Yep.  Or just channel strip settings, or just plug-ins, or just automation, or everything together.  Hundreds of different combinations/possibilities.  Pretty darn handy.

Indeed. Anyone with some experience using this will know it takes care of all Template, export templates etc etc needs. As so often with these kind of things, it makes perfect sense in use and it's power is hard to convey in words. Combine it with FX chains and things are both easy and flexible.

UnderTow

Rothchild

Which is why, as well as a 'public' bug tracker, for registered users, we need one of these: http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/ this thread is nice an' all but it's positively arcane compared to the brainstorm tool.

Wicked :)

A monthly survey of
 
  The bugs reported
    
  The features requested
 
Then users can rank the items indicating which are most annoying and most desired. CW managers will thereby be acknowledging the existence of found bugs and reflecting the demand for proposed new/modified features. Many of both most users are not aware of but will be happy to know about and "vote" for. Thus providing CW some guidance for allocating programming resources.
 
The secrecy of some stuff always makes sense. But why should CW publish a list of what  CW is working on?  Because then reaper, pt, etc. may add such a feature and consequently will be providing examples of how the feature may work. And how it may be done incorrectly. This is a good thing; public research. (This is how science is mostly done.)
 
 
Reaper, PT,... including a feature that I may desire (save-as button) will not be reason for me to move to another DAW program. Too much time invested in knowing how to use this program. This is not like switching cars.
 
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we need one of these: http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/

What you're suggesting is a dedicated forum for product enhancement ideas. That could be implemented by simply adding a forum category called "Enhancement Requests". Or call it "Suggestion Box" for those who don't understand what an enhancement request is.

The biggest problem is that you'd need moderators to manage it because it would quickly become a chaotic mess. Like this thread, and every other summary-type thread related to bugs, fixes and enhancement requests. Start a thread called "new bugs found in 8.5.2" and by the second page it's morphed into a wishlist thread or a comparison of SONAR to ReaperLogicTools.

glazfolk

... I mean it wouldn't progress matter very far if they were to say, "Thanks, we've read this, we've decided how we're going to respond, but we're not going to tell you."

I'd say that in making this request, therefore, you are also by implication asking Cakewalk to ditch this policy and share with its user base at least in part its future development plans.

Personally I think that many would welcome this, but whether that's the case or not it's an issue, I think, that can't be ignored. I'm not sure it's how the company wants to go.

Great points, glazfolk. I do think Cakewalk will respond very well to this. As some people have pointed out, this is pure marketing/PR gold for them, and it will say quite a bit about Cakewalk if they don't take it seriously. Which they will. Take it seriously, that is. :)

And I agree with you that we are, by implication in this very process we're going through, asking Cakewalk to engage in the next level of relationship with us. How they do so, is obviously completely up to them. We are all collectively extending our hand in what I personally view as a respectful, reasonable, and even supportive effort to focus on these issues. Like I implied in another post, how could they not respond well?

Beyond that, I believe so many things have changed in the last few years, particularly within the social media landscape... with the explosive growth of things like Facebook and Twitter, I believe we're seeing a fundamental shift in some social paradigms. I've actually met people that have become real-life friends in this forum. :) That's somewhat off-topic for me to get into, but the very way we have gone through this process, and the type of relationship that we have with Cakewalk as consumers/customers/clients has shifted somewhat. So yes, I think there's an underlying implication about changing direction. But I think it's not born of our letters/lists/threads so much as it is a sign of changing times and doing business in the 21st century.

Personally, I believe every organization -- large and small -- has to grapple with the social media evolution, and the broader social evolution that is underway. Cakewalk has shown signs of adapting. While some people weren't thrilled by their Sonar 8.5 Twitter announcements, for example, I was totally thrilled and encouraged. Even if you personally hate something like Twitter, those types of things are a reality now, and businesses cannot afford to ignore what's happening out there. Fortunately, in my opinion, there is someone in Cakewalk who understands that things are changing out here. An agile, adaptable business tends to stay in business. I hope they keep watching those types of broad trends and creatively search for ways to tap into them. But more than that, it signifies a change in the way that businesses connect with customers, and how customers connect with peers. The evolution of this forum is a good example of that, right down to our conversation, right here, about these deep anthropological implications.

But in the end, Cakewalk has to decide... of course. Maybe the most we can hope for is that when all the key decision-makers sit down in the weeks and months ahead, they all have a copy of this list of community-supported requests in front of them and give each point serious consideration. Maybe we should allow ourselves to hope they see the other profound implications too. Not just from this thread, but from the widespread, evolving nature of the market and social paradigms as well.

In fact, I believe the general concept of "workflow" is related to this social shift we are seeing in other areas.... since workflow by its definition is how the human interacts and functions within his or her "work" environment... and how the tools need to "get out of the way" of what the human wants to accomplish. In a way, isn't that what we're really asking Cakewalk to do? Isn't that what the best software does? Moving into the future, I think there's ample evidence it's going to be very user-interface-centered and the human-software experience will become one of the most important parts of a tool like a DAW. This is a shift from where we dealt with a machine and had to learn how to use and adapt to its arcane secrets, versus the machine or set of tools becoming a natural extension of the user. This way we can creatively, intelligently, technically and efficiently get things done! Workflow. Fun stuff to discuss on a philosophical and even anthropological level.

Last thing I'll say is that if Cakewalk can figure out how to capitalize on all that, like any agile, adaptable business should be doing these days, then we can all benefit. We'll get the features we want, Cakewalk will hopefully benefit as a business from their efforts, and maybe we'll establish an even better relationship with them as a body of customers. I look at this all as a win-win scenario, to borrow a cliche again.

Best, James

eratu

... we are, by implication in this very process we're going through, asking Cakewalk to engage in the next level of relationship with us. How they do so, is obviously completely up to them. We are all collectively extending our hand in what I personally view as a respectful, reasonable, and even supportive effort to focus on these issues. Like I implied in another post, how could they not respond well?

James, I do hope that you are right. This is an increasingly competitive environment, and I believe that those companies that are willing to engage actively with, and show genuine respect for, their customer base are the ones who will survive and thrive.

(Edited to correct a negative!)

glazfolk >> ... and I believe that those companies that are unwilling to engage actively with, and show genuine respect for, their customer base are the ones who will survive and thrive.

Surely you mean the opposite (?)  Or maybe not ... (?)

Hey guys!

At Cakewalk's request, we have elaborated on the features contained in the original features list as reflected on the second post of this thread.  Furthermore, James (Eratu) is currently mailing out hard copies of this features list to the top people at Cakewalk as we speak.  We want to thank everyone for their support, and all of the people who have shared their ideas and suggestions to this community over the years.  We wouldn't have been able to get this far without you, thank you everyone!  This has been a great experience to all of us and we hope Cakewalk responds positively to our wishes.

Have a great day everybody!

djjhart@aol.com


on the fly arming of Automation and record..

 
That's already in Sonar.
 
You need to go into the Record Options menu to set it up.
 
 

The packages are indeed on their way! They should get there in a couple of days. I'll post back here any updates! I sent the packages to the following people at Cakewalk:

Greg Hendershott
Founder and CEO 

Noel Borthwick
Chief Technical Officer

Alex Westner
Director of Product Management

Brandon Ryan
Director of Channel Marketing 

Carl Jacobson
VP of Marketing

Steve Thomas
Director of Public Relations

For those that want to submit feature requests into the formal feature request system and time it with the arrival of the physical letters, please check back in this thread, and I'll update here when the letters arrive. (I put delivery confirmation on them. :) )

Thanks again for all your support, and for the many threads, ideas, discussions, debates and efforts that have gone on for many years! Hopefully this letter and list will make a positive impact for all of us!

Best,
James

eratu


The packages are indeed on their way!

Hurray hurray!

UnderTow

dontletmedrown


Jose, can you include a link to the image I posted on Page 7 into post two so the Cake guys can see an example of "Import Session Data"?

Done!

     THANK YOU.. FOR SOME REASON I NEVER CHECKED THAT OUT.. WHOOO HOO.. oh how i hate to stop the transport to arm for record or automation.. I will check it out as soon as I hit the control room. Thanks again..

Jose7822

djjhart@aol.com


on the fly arming of Automation and record..

 
That's already in Sonar.
 
You need to go into the Record Options menu to set it up.
 
 

You can add me too:

Dave Meindertsma (dmmi)

I believe Sonar is by far the most powerful and versatile, and any enhancements are welcome and appreciated.

Just added the following signatures:

ggg
Dave Meindertsma (dmmi)

Thank you guys for the support! While your sigs didn't make it onto the hard copy version mailed to Cakewalk on the 7th, your signatures here are very much appreciated and are added "for the record" -- Cakewalk has this URL in the letter and will be able to see the additional comments and support!

BTW, the packages should be arriving by tomorrow, so we can continue onto phase 2 and submit the features through their online system as well, etc.

Will keep you all posted!

Best, James