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RE: EMI dropping DRM - great news for us
2007/04/07 08:53:39
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ORIGINAL: ooblecaboodle
So ... you understand that Dell is using the a single Quad no, you can in fact buy dual quads from dell.
You sure can ... the Dell Precision series. I think that's what Brandon was using at NAMM ... THREE MONTHS AGO! Of course, you could always BUILD your own Octo-core, but that's not news. Yeah, and when AMD drops their true Quad-core design, watch out, it's gonna be on!
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axe
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RE: EMI dropping DRM - great news for us
2007/04/07 11:13:13
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ORIGINAL: ooblecaboodle
So ... you understand that Dell is using the a single Quad no, you can in fact buy dual quads from dell.
You cannot buy the 3.0GHZ Quads from Dell, Apple has an exclusive on those and thus the most powerful machine that can presently be purchased. Not sure why this is so difficult for your to accept but these are the facts. http://www.macnn.com/articles/07/04/05/mac.pro.special.xeon/ Wiggle as you may, you have made a mistake and have lost this argument.  Come on PC, say something nice about Mac  AXE
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RE: EMI dropping DRM - great news for us
2007/04/07 11:59:34
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ORIGINAL: axe
Come on PC, say something nice about Mac
AXE
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RE: EMI dropping DRM - great news for us
2007/04/07 12:13:25
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ORIGINAL: axe
Come on PC, say something nice about Mac
A Mac is a P(ersonal) C(omputer). The only thing that seperates them now that they are using the same Intel chips is the OS, and although OSX may be better (for some) to use, it significantly underperforms against XP on the same machine running the same apps. It therefore comes a poor 2nd (performance wise) to Vista. But yes, they look nice and it is good that there is a well polished marketing path which makes computing accessible for menopausal techno-phobic divorcees.
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RE: EMI dropping DRM - great news for us
2007/04/07 14:05:48
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But yes, they look nice and it is good that there is a well polished marketing path which makes computing accessible for menopausal techno-phobic divorcees. haha! best reply ever!! 
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RE: EMI dropping DRM - great news for us
2007/04/07 14:56:52
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ORIGINAL: someotherguy
ORIGINAL: axe
Come on PC, say something nice about Mac
A Mac is a P(ersonal) C(omputer). The only thing that seperates them now that they are using the same Intel chips is the OS, and although OSX may be better (for some) to use, it significantly underperforms against XP on the same machine running the same apps. It therefore comes a poor 2nd (performance wise) to Vista.
But yes, they look nice and it is good that there is a well polished marketing path which makes computing accessible for menopausal techno-phobic divorcees.
Judging by the kind of questions one sees here on a daily basis osx is perfect for Sonar users.
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RE: EMI dropping DRM - great news for us
2007/04/07 16:06:04
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this thread didn't start with a blanket: "DRM-dropping report" alone... it was attached to Steve and Apple from the beginning. Well it had to be, because Steve was at the announcement, it was announced as an initiative that would commence with the Apple iTunes store. So IMO only people with an anti-apple predisposition would take offense at Apple for attempting to shine in the moment...and was their moment to share with EMI. So yeah I think Cakewalk the company has had a pretty strong anti-Apple bias for some time, and has attracted a similar ilk...for better or for worse.
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RE: EMI dropping DRM - great news for us
2007/04/07 16:08:15
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ORIGINAL: axe
You cannot buy the 3.0GHZ Quads from Dell, Apple has an exclusive on those and thus the most powerful machine that can presently be purchased.
Bull, I don't know about Dell but the HPxw8400 has had them for a while now and can be had as duals for 8 cores, and I posted the link already which you ignored. Here, I'll do it again http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/us/en/sm/WF06a/12454-12454-296719-307907-296721-1844968.html Not only that, Toms hardware did a review of the machine last December. The 3.0ghz chips are Clovertons, and their not exclusive to anyone. You really are misinformed.
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RE: EMI dropping DRM - great news for us
2007/04/07 16:19:57
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ORIGINAL: D.Triny
So IMO only people with an anti-apple predisposition would take offense at Apple for attempting to shine in the moment...and was their moment to share with EMI. Rah Rah Rah, Shish Boom Bah. When can I buy unencoded files from Apples independant artists other than AAC so I can play them on anything? I guess I'll have to wait for Steve to take a break from "shining" before he gets around to it. For the record, I'm not "Anti-Apple"(former user myself), or Pro Microsoft, I personally don't really give a crap about either company. I just deal with whats most agreeable in my situation at the moment.
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RE: EMI dropping DRM - great news for us
2007/04/07 16:28:15
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I just thought I'd check this, as this thread has gotten a bit heated - I have no particular feelings about the Mac, but I looked at the link and it doesn't look like the HPxw8400 has 3.0 GHZ quads. I see dual cores at 3.0 ghz but the quads only go to 2.6ghz. But I might not understand what you're saying - what do you mean "can be had as duals for 8 cores?" ORIGINAL: Alndln
ORIGINAL: axe
You cannot buy the 3.0GHZ Quads from Dell, Apple has an exclusive on those and thus the most powerful machine that can presently be purchased.
Bull, I don't know about Dell but the HPxw8400 has had them for a while now and can be had as duals for 8 cores, and I posted the link already which you ignored. Here, I'll do it again http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/us/en/sm/WF06a/12454-12454-296719-307907-296721-1844968.html Not only that, Toms hardware did a review of the machine last December. The 3.0ghz chips are Clovertons, and their not exclusive to anyone. You really are misinformed.
I have not changed my signature.
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C Hudson
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RE: EMI dropping DRM - great news for us
2007/04/07 19:39:56
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Yeah it appears that neither Dell nor HP have the 3 Ghz chips yet. On top of that, just for kicks I thought i would configure a mac pro vs a PC from Dell online. This is the scary part for me. Apple configured with dual quads@ 3 Ghz, 4 gigs ram, 2- 500GB HDD 20", flat panel ,OS and extended warranty to match dells comes in at 6081. plus shiping and tax,
Dell on the other hand, I have dual quad 2.66, 4 GB ram, plain jane keyboard and mouse, dual 500GB HDD, comparable video card to the Mac, 20" WS monitor etc etc. basically as close to the Mac as I could get. The cost was 8177 plus tax and shipping. 1100 more for a slower machine.
Now mind you most of us here upgrade components instead of tossing the baby out with the bath water. This dramatically closes the gap , but it looks like for the time being , Apple own the top end market on new boxes anyways.
Would be interested to see if Windows apps running in bootcamp or parallels take advantage of all cores in a similar way to a native machine. Someone other than axe who at the moment has granny smith colored glasses :)
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RE: EMI dropping DRM - great news for us
2007/04/07 19:45:39
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D.Triny
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RE: EMI dropping DRM - great news for us
2007/04/07 20:49:22
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When can I buy unencoded files from Apples independant artists other than AAC so I can play them on anything? I guess I'll have to wait for Steve to take a break from "shining" before he gets around to it. "other than AAC?" please...I though your issue was "DRM" I guess the light blinded ya eh? Anyway I'm sure Microsoft will offer the same in unprotected WMA, so maybe that'll help you out.
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axe
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RE: EMI dropping DRM - great news for us
2007/04/07 22:02:31
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ORIGINAL: someotherguy
ORIGINAL: axe
Come on PC, say something nice about Mac
A Mac is a P(ersonal) C(omputer). The only thing that seperates them now that they are using the same Intel chips is the OS, and although OSX may be better (for some) to use, it significantly underperforms against XP on the same machine running the same apps. It therefore comes a poor 2nd (performance wise) to Vista.
You sir have not a clue what you are talking about. Core Audio is still well ahead of Vista's lastest WaveRT, there is no argument about that. The Mac is made for multimedia from the ground up, Windows is not. Right now you cannot buy a PC Windows machine that is as fast as a Mac ... bot has the work turned. I am sad to hear about your divorce ... hope things look up for you. AXE
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RE: EMI dropping DRM - great news for us
2007/04/07 22:08:43
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ORIGINAL: ooblecaboodle
But yes, they look nice and it is good that there is a well polished marketing path which makes computing accessible for menopausal techno-phobic divorcees.
haha! best reply ever!!
Oobie, I know you are smarting about being completely wrong about the hardware, the performance and even the pricing. But be a man and admit that you tried to put on the slam and it came right back to ya There are some serious holes in your technical knowledge and it makes one think the level of talent in Wales is not all that.
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LionSound
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RE: EMI dropping DRM - great news for us
2007/04/07 22:14:16
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Axe, why the hell are you here? You clearly prefer Mac hardware and Mac OS so go use it and bug off.
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LionSound
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RE: EMI dropping DRM - great news for us
2007/04/07 22:19:51
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Even if Apple has a cpu that is slightly faster than HP or Dell, this is in no way a show of Apple's engineering prowess. Intel makes the chips, and it seems obvious that they have a deal with Apple with these chips for the time being. So what does this mean? Nothing, really. The 3.0ghz chips and up will be available via Dell, HP, and every other PC manufacturer in the near future. You'll even be able to buy them at Newegg, etc. and build your own octo-core monster for far less then if you buy a pre-built through Apple, Dell, etc.
Apple was not the first to sell octo-cores, and it won't be the last.
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RE: EMI dropping DRM - great news for us
2007/04/07 22:38:26
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There are some serious holes in your technical knowledge and it makes one think the level of talent in Wales is not all that. If there was any doubt, you just ended it. Ad hominem attacks are a troll's last resort. Wow. Simply pathetic. I have no interest in a Mac vs. PC debate. I have a vested interest in the continued excellence of this forum, which you are currently drastically compromising. I don't like you and I'm never gonna ask you to come over to see my cool new StarWars action figures (ha!). I'm gonna tell Abby Sheskey that you have a crush on her (HA!). Ad hominem attacks, AND insulting an entire nation's intelligence? Wow, talk about running out of arguments...Yikes. Pathetic. "It makes one think..." HA!!! That's a funny line...trying to sound hyper-intelligent while insulting an entire people's level of "talent" ...now THAT is a maliciously incongruent juxtaposition of concepts if ever there was one...just go away now please. Thanks for all your past posts, but you aren't needed here anymore. Toodles axey-waxey...
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RE: EMI dropping DRM - great news for us
2007/04/07 23:02:04
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Finally revealed his true nature. A**hole.
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axe
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RE: EMI dropping DRM - great news for us
2007/04/07 23:29:07
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ORIGINAL: jinga8
There are some serious holes in your technical knowledge and it makes one think the level of talent in Wales is not all that.
If there was any doubt, you just ended it. Ad hominem attacks are a troll's last resort. Wow. Simply pathetic. I have no interest in a Mac vs. PC debate. I have a vested interest in the continued excellence of this forum, which you are currently drastically compromising. I don't like you and I'm never gonna ask you to come over to see my cool new StarWars action figures (ha!). I'm gonna tell Abby Sheskey that you have a crush on her (HA!). Ad hominem attacks, AND insulting an entire nation's intelligence? Wow, talk about running out of arguments...Yikes. Pathetic. "It makes one think..." HA!!! That's a funny line...trying to sound hyper-intelligent while insulting an entire people's level of "talent" ...now THAT is a maliciously incongruent juxtaposition of concepts if ever there was one...just go away now please. Thanks for all your past posts, but you aren't needed here anymore. Toodles axey-waxey...
That was impressive ... keep the faith To be clear, I mean he brings disgrace on the Wales scene. You have to spell it out for some.  I recommend blocking which is exactly where you are going - B-BYE AXE AXE
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LionSound
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RE: EMI dropping DRM - great news for us
2007/04/07 23:39:43
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Wow, so Axe has the nerve to insult people and then block those who givr it right back. What a tool.
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RE: EMI dropping DRM - great news for us
2007/04/08 00:29:00
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ORIGINAL: bigweb
ORIGINAL: jb
So, that's your standard?
"Mommy, that boy annoys me, make him go away."
"But dear, others are enjoying themselves, why don't we go home instead?"
"No, no, no, make him leave mommy! Bwaaaaaaa!"
So you fully support what Axe is doing here jb?
You mean stating his partially-inane partially-correct opinion? Yes, lest all be banned for the same.
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RE: EMI dropping DRM - great news for us
2007/04/08 00:38:51
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ORIGINAL: Howdy
ORIGINAL: jayson
ORIGINAL: axe
Come on PC, say something nice about Mac
AXE
The Lost Mac Ads
Cheers,
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ROTFL .. those videos are ****ing hilarious!
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RE: EMI dropping DRM - great news for us
2007/04/08 00:39:35
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It would be interesting with Vista particularly, considering the preliminary tests that have been mentioned on this forum stating that Vista performs better than XP with multiple cores (more than two). ORIGINAL: C Hudson
Yeah it appears that neither Dell nor HP have the 3 Ghz chips yet. On top of that, just for kicks I thought i would configure a mac pro vs a PC from Dell online. This is the scary part for me. Apple configured with dual quads@ 3 Ghz, 4 gigs ram, 2- 500GB HDD 20", flat panel ,OS and extended warranty to match dells comes in at 6081. plus shiping and tax,
Dell on the other hand, I have dual quad 2.66, 4 GB ram, plain jane keyboard and mouse, dual 500GB HDD, comparable video card to the Mac, 20" WS monitor etc etc. basically as close to the Mac as I could get. The cost was 8177 plus tax and shipping. 1100 more for a slower machine.
Now mind you most of us here upgrade components instead of tossing the baby out with the bath water. This dramatically closes the gap , but it looks like for the time being , Apple own the top end market on new boxes anyways.
Would be interested to see if Windows apps running in bootcamp or parallels take advantage of all cores in a similar way to a native machine. Someone other than axe who at the moment has granny smith colored glasses :)
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RE: EMI dropping DRM - great news for us
2007/04/08 03:49:16
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ORIGINAL: axe
ORIGINAL: someotherguy
ORIGINAL: axe
Come on PC, say something nice about Mac
A Mac is a P(ersonal) C(omputer). The only thing that seperates them now that they are using the same Intel chips is the OS, and although OSX may be better (for some) to use, it significantly underperforms against XP on the same machine running the same apps. It therefore comes a poor 2nd (performance wise) to Vista.
You sir have not a clue what you are talking about. Core Audio is still well ahead of Vista's lastest WaveRT, there is no argument about that Evidence please?. The Mac is made for multimedia from the ground up, Windows is not.
Right now you cannot buy a PC Windows machine that is as fast as a Mac ... bot has the work turned.
I am sad to hear about your divorce ... hope things look up for you.
AXE
I do owe you an apology, I read about the clandestine research in the 1970's where scientists were implanting human embryos with DNA from lemmings but I brushed it off, thinking that it was just some anti-science scare-mongering. Unfortunately it would appear that it is true, but can I ask you a question? Is it just your mind that is affected, or are there any physical signs of the cross-breeding?
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bigweb
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RE: EMI dropping DRM - great news for us
2007/04/08 06:03:54
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ROTFLMAO!!!!
Damn it someotherguy!!!
I nearly splattered my drink all over the keyboard!
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ooblecaboodle
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RE: EMI dropping DRM - great news for us
2007/04/08 08:47:41
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Oobie,
I know you are smarting about being completely wrong about the hardware, the performance and even the pricing. But be a man and admit that you tried to put on the slam and it came right back to ya
There are some serious holes in your technical knowledge and it makes one think the level of talent in Wales is not all that. Wow, you got that from "best reply ever"? where's the holes in that? are you so offended that I find someone taking the piss out of you that you personally insult me? Hmm, I've checked my schedule, doesn't look like I'll be able to come to tampa for a few months at least. Shame.
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RE: EMI dropping DRM - great news for us
2007/04/08 09:30:32
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OK... I've had enough ....
Blocking Axe....
If ever anyone ever deserved it, it's him.
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axe
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RE: EMI dropping DRM - great news for us
2007/04/08 11:38:44
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sorry, inmazevo, not picking on you, just using your quote as an example.
guess what I just found on Dell's site?
that's right, dual cpu, quad core machines. i didn't even have to search that hard! Funny that.
Of course, historically, Dell's always had the fastest models first, but because intel now supply them first to apple (usually a couple of months) Dell got uppitty, and now supplies AMD chips to.
As for the comments of axe's avatar. I must say, I happened to be in PC world (like comUSA, I believe) today, and i was absolutely astonished by the ugliness of those i-mac machines in the flesh!
I know it's all personal taste and all, but, dude, they look like a prop from a 60s scifi 'vision of the future'
Also, what the hell is the point in buying a computer with a 24" screen attached? 24" screens are expensive. Computers need upgrading or replacing after a while, does that mean that i-mac users are forced to throw out a lovely (if ugly) perfectly functioning monitor too?
Me? I'd rather stick to my Dell 24" widescreen, through whatever machine upgrade, or OS switch I go through.
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Very nice, now let's focus back on what you are trying to avoid as you did completely step in it. There are no 3.0GHZ Quad chips being offered by anyone other than Apple on their Mac Pro. This makes the Mac Pro the most powerful hardware platform on the market. Although it is quite expensive for my taste it is a bargain to inferior product being offered by a lowend consumer office/gamer builder like Dell. I just find it completely entertaining to watch you wriggle like a little kid that has been caught and will not admit to what he has done. If you are going to pop off you better know what you are talking about or you ARE going to get it fed back to in LARGE doses. Happy Easter PC!
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