Hey Jinga

Would love to help, but he blocked me a while back.

I have a new theory, i think we should all offer him our love. He is obviously a deeply insecure person, probably the result of being beaten as a child, and probably abused by the other children in the playground as well. While this happens to many, unfortnunately axe was unable in adulthood to throw of this expereince and grow up, now here in the safe environment of the forum he pedals he spurious views as a cry for help.

I think we should all just agree with him that MAC's are better, i would not want his self harm and potential suicide on my conscience, so just put aside your views and opoionoins an praise MAC, halleluih.

Yeh he is a jerk, i bet his wife (if he has one) is having an affair, probably with me.

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ORIGINAL: gordonrussell76
I have a new theory, i think we should all offer him our love.

I think we should all just block him.
how can you seriously debate with a person who quotes the forums rules at you when you come on a bit strong
towards him and his ideas, and then blocks you?
While he himself is breaking those very same rules with impunity ?
Block the little worm and get on with your lives.

ORIGINAL: jb
Why don't you? Then the threads would be a whole shorter.

I have already

Of course you could achieve the same result by merely not treading his posts but, like a mac, that's probably too simple an answer for you smart guys.

Let me get this right.
You're actually defending Axe and his attitude in this forum?

ORIGINAL: ooblecaboodle

There are no 3.0GHZ Quad chips being offered by anyone other than Apple on their Mac Pro. This makes the Mac Pro the most powerful hardware platform on the market. Although it is quite expensive for my taste it is a bargain to inferior product being offered by a lowend consumer office/gamer builder like Dell.

I'm sorry, would you care to point out SPECIFICALLY where I said that dell have 3GHz models?

You tossed up the Dell as having the Quad Cores before Apple and also put a slam on the price and you were wrong of both counts.

Honestly you just didn't do your homework and thought you had a quick slam, it just came back to get you.

So, we have finally established that the Mac Pro is the present leader (as of time of posting) in the Performance category. Apple got an exclusive on these chips and has, for now, captured the pinnacle of performance for an Intel Platform. Not to mention the benefits of the standardized hardware platform that many are paying extra for outside of Apple.

It's even a price deal compared to the Dell (not that I would ever buy a Dell for audio, you suggested that and I feel it a poor comparison)

Is that really so hard to digest? I have taken a lot of grief for attempting to get across a VERY simple idea. That the present Macs are NOT the OLD Macs and going with an Intel CPU has changed a lot of things. It has leveled the performance playing field and in the case of the Mac Pro has taken the lead.

Being able to run Mac OSX and Windows on a single machine represents an incredible opportunity and value (yep, your cost goes way down). It opens up a whole new suite of software in iLife that fits the bill for a great many and it comes with OSX. There is nothing of comparison to iLife included with Windows, you will have to go buy applications from a 3rd party which extends the cost. The only way you could hope to get the level of support Apple offers is to go with a PC from ADK or one of the other vendors for DAWs. This puts you in essentially the same configuration position as working with a Mac Pro.

Wheels starting to turn? They should be as things have certainly changed. What I am saying is that a Mac is probably your best buy even if you intend to run a Windows machine. As you keep all of your options open and that is exactly my intent.

So from a Sonar standpoint, who gives a poo if Sonar is running on Mac Intel hardware under bootcamp or the regular PC suspects?

Do I think that there is going to be a market shift? Yes. I also believe that the companies that will be able to stay alive will need to figure out a way to support both Windows and Universal Binary. Cakewalk has started by providing synths that support both and we should expect (even hope) for it to continue with ports of other products. A strong Cakewalk benefits its users, we have seen what happens when companies get short on capital no one wants to be on that ship when it goes down.

ORIGINAL: ooblecaboodle

You tossed up the Dell as having the Quad Cores before Apple and also put a slam on the price and you were wrong of both counts.

I'm still almost certain that Dell (even) had quad cores before the new mac pro came out.
I haven't made much reference to price as far as I can remember, apart from the cost of throwing away a 24" screen with an imac.

Wnat to know a few fallacies about apple?
remember their tagline that the G5 was the first 64-bit desktop? bullcrap, I've been reading ads for 64-bit BOXX workstations for nearly two years before the G5 came out.
Oh, and as for CPU cores, can you get 16 on a mac (currently)? Fair enough the machine below is still using dual cores, but it has eight of them.
Boxx Apex 8

Are you still so convinced that Mac...

is the present leader (as of time of posting) in the Performance category.

You are still wiggling and still had to throw a little Mac hate in there also

You cannot produce a Quad Core system to match the Mac Pro as Apple has an exclusive on these CPU's and came out of the gate first with them. That is a huge PR issue and marks the 1st time (that I am aware of) that Apple holds the lead. It is a wakeup call to the industry that things have changed.

The Mac Pro represents a hardware platform built for Multimedia, does not sound like a wind tunnel generator, is priced very competitively and provides the ability to run ANY software application would would need to run. That is pretty cool.

Why is this so difficult to accept? You could even take solace in the fact that the lead changes constantly in this industry. So anyone's bleeding edge lead tends to be short lived.

Ok PC, now you say something nice about Mac

It is a wakeup call to the industry that things have changed.

I'm curious... How exactly do *you* think Apple's agreement with Intel has changed "the industry"? Since a wakeup call typically means that someone just realized they've been missing something important, how does Apple releasing the latest top-of-the-line Intel CPU configuration a few months before other suppliers - if that is the case - equate to a wakeup call?

The Mac Pro represents a hardware platform built for Multimedia, does not sound like a wind tunnel generator, is priced very competitively and provides the ability to run ANY software application would would need to run. That is pretty cool.

"a hardware platform built for Multimedia". I thought Mac pros were Intel based systems. Hardware-wise, what makes a Mac pro different than a similar Windows system? Wind generators aside of course, since we all know that a Windows system has no choice but to push enough air to power a small city.

As far as competivie pricing goes, it's only competitive if it offers something you need/want. If you're running software on both platforms, then there is a need - which is a case where I'd agree a Mac pro is an attractive option. But if you're running Windows apps *only*, it sure seems like waste of $$ and a lot of overhead to buy an OSX system.

No 3GHz models though, which is what I think Axe was referring to... Though I have to wonder what the real performance difference is between a quad core @ 2.33 and one at 3.

Personally I'd love to have a quad core anything.

ORIGINAL: jb
Not at all, I'm saying that your attempts to police the forum are unnecessary, unwarranted and ineffectual. Nobody's twisting your arm to read this thread and we don't need you telling us who we can and can't read.

Show me one post where I've "told" anyone who they can or can't read.
All I've done is made suggestions and put forth my opinion.

Didn't do English comprehension at school eh?

ORIGINAL: bigweb

ORIGINAL: jb
Not at all, I'm saying that your attempts to police the forum are unnecessary, unwarranted and ineffectual. Nobody's twisting your arm to read this thread and we don't need you telling us who we can and can't read.

Show me one post where I've "told" anyone who/what they can or can't read.
All I've done is made suggestions and put forth my opinion.

Didn't do English comprehension at school eh?[sm=rolleyes.gif]

ORIGINAL: bigweb

Yes, he's a very insidious character.
Why the mods here let him continue unabated is beyond me.
Do they not care that he is really annoying people?
(I'm writing in the 3rd person because he's blocked me.)

Is there any moderation at all on this forum?

Oh my goodness, you're right, you didn't 'tell' us what we could read. Dunno how i interpreted the above as asking the "mods" to kill the thread (which would amount to the same thing}. I'm a little slow I guess. Must be why I like macs.

ORIGINAL: bigweb

ORIGINAL: jb

Oh my goodness, you're right, you didn't 'tell' us what we could read.
Dunno how i interpreted the above as asking the "mods" to kill the
thread (which would amount to the same thing}.
I'm a little slow I guess. Must be why I like macs.

hahahaha
You said it mate ....not me....
I am always very careful in how I word my posts.
Correct interpretation/comprehension is absolutely necessary for intelligent debate.
Anything you don't understand...just ask.

Ok, what did you mean by,
"Yes, he's a very insidious character.
Why the mods here let him continue unabated is beyond me.
Do they not care that he is really annoying people?
(I'm writing in the 3rd person because he's blocked me.)

Is there any moderation at all on this forum?"
?

ORIGINAL: jb
Ok, what did you mean by,
"Yes, he's a very insidious character.
Why the mods here let him continue unabated is beyond me.
Do they not care that he is really annoying people?
(I'm writing in the 3rd person because he's blocked me.)
Is there any moderation at all on this forum?"?

Exactly what I wrote.

Insidious:
1. intended to entrap or beguile
2. stealthily treacherous or deceitful
3. operating or proceeding in an inconspicuous or seemingly harmless way but actually with grave effect

Annoying:
causing annoyance; irritatingly bothersome

Any more questions?

ORIGINAL: jb
Uh, and the rest of it?

Plain english.

It is my opinion that the moderators should've stepped in
when Axe posts became insidious and annoying.

That does not mean I am telling you what you can and can't do here.

ORIGINAL: jb
Insidious and annoying to you and if the 'mods' step in per your request then those of us not annoyed will be deprived of our amusement. Any way you cut it you're trying to control what the rest of us can have access to and why? Because he annoys you? Then don't read him and leave the rest of us alone. Seems to me that if anyone has been "operating or proceeding in an inconspicuous or seemingly harmless way but actually with grave effect" it's you. You really want threads killed any time some gets annoyed? Or just when you get annoyed?

Interpreting what I wrote as "trying to control what the rest of us can
have access to" is a stretch, to say the least.

Seems to me it's you trying to control what happens here by telling me what
I should or should not be writing in this forum.

To quote your previous post: "we don't need you telling us who we can and can't read."
Exactly who were you representing when you wrote "we"?
Is there a group of people on this forum who have given you permission to represent them
on this subject?

Again I ask you : Do you condone Axes behavior on the forum?

Do you think it's OK to start a thread and then simply block anyone
who comes up with a valid point against the original proposition?

Do you think it's OK to insult peoples' nationality and their country of origin ?

Do you think Axes' annoying habit of simply ignoring valid points made by others
(that, again, refute points he has made) is acceptable behavior?

Do you really think I don't have the right to suggest that the moderators should
try to moderate such behavior?

Can you please elaborate on "deprived of our amusement." ?

What exactly do you find amusing about all this?

You know, if it's a stretch for you to understand how calling for the mods to shut down a thread because it annoys you could impact the rest of us (if the mods complied with your request) then I really don't know what to say. Perhaps you weren't sincere in your request. If you don't like a thread, don't read it. If you don't like a poster. block 'em.

ORIGINAL: jb
You know, if it's a stretch for you to understand how calling for the mods to shut down a thread because it annoys you could impact the rest of us (if the mods complied with your request) then I really don't know what to say.

You don't know what to say?
Why am I not surprised by that?
I was actually hoping you might answer my questions with opinions of your own.

Looks like you decided to opt for Axes approach.
Just ignore the hard questions and hope they go away....

Perhaps you weren't sincere in your request.
If you don't like a thread, don't read it. If you don't like a poster. block 'em.

Now who's telling who what they should or should not do?

Come on man..

If your gonna accuse me of something and I defend myself,
at least honor me with a decent reply!!

sheesh!