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RE: EMI dropping DRM - great news for us
2007/04/10 18:47:18
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ORIGINAL: UnderTow
Vritual instruments are a benefit even if some people couldn't see that at the time.
Well if someone doesn't need to use virtual instruments, it would still be hard for them to see the benefit. But that does not mean it didn't benefit someone else? right? just like a SONAR OSX port would benefit someone else.
I'm still waiting for one of the fanboys to give a good argument for porting Sonar to OS-X.
as I said it's a matter of taste and preference...if you are really looking for an argument on tastes or preferences well I can't help you there.
I think what you really want is an iMac to run Cubase. 
I've run Cubase not a bad program at all. I have a preference for SONAR's interface as of version 6. But I've been able to be productive with Cubase.
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RE: EMI dropping DRM - great news for us
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ORIGINAL: bigweb
Now that Macs can run windows why is
there still a clamor for a port to OSX?
Integration with iLife according to AXE.
Seems this is turning into more than a PC vs Mac debate.
It's an OS debate.
Not even really. It is a Sonar ported to OS-X or not debate. The fact that some of us find the iMac a less than stellar design is just a side note.
Which brings up the point:
has anyone actually got Vista to run on an intel mac yet?
And if so, how did it run? Which OS is faster/slower?
Which is easier to use? Which is better?
On an intel mac.
Anyone got hard data on this?
I've been wondering about this myself. I'm curious to hear the answer too. UnderTow
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RE: EMI dropping DRM - great news for us
2007/04/10 18:55:28
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Well if someone doesn't need to use virtual instruments, it would still be hard for them to see the benefit. But that does not mean it didn't benefit someone else? right? just like a SONAR OSX port would benefit someone else.
But virtual instruments are a benefit to Sonar itself. It is an added feature within Sonar. Porting to OS-X would not be a feature within Sonar. It would not benefit Sonar. You really can't see the distinction here?
as I said it's a matter of taste and preference...if you are really looking for an argument on tastes or preferences well I can't help you there.
Err I said I am not. Duh. I can't argue with you wanting to have Sonar running in OS-X nor do I want to. I can argue with all the bogus arguments used to rationalise that taste decision.
I've run Cubase not a bad program at all. I have a preference for SONAR's interface as of version 6. But I've been able to be productive with Cubase.
And it runs on OS-X! UnderTow
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D.Triny
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RE: EMI dropping DRM - great news for us
2007/04/10 19:06:35
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ORIGINAL: UnderTow
I misread the 5 in 957 as a 9.
ohhhh!!! so the issue is you can't READ?
My response was a joke but you seem to have missed that entirely.
not knowing how to count is not funny to me. Seriously!
And the fact that you call that a lack of logical thoughts supports my assertion that you can't think logicaly and don't even understand what logic actuall is.
help me out here. There is no logic in math? come on now!!!!
As far as computer knowledge is concerned? Most certainly!
I see. ok God.
And your sarcasm is just stupid.
must hurt eh?
Taste? I am not arguing about taste nor is anyone else.
Lie number 2....3 strikes and yer....
If AXE and his little monkey boy (you)
Yipee!!! just like the 60's - are you related to Imus?
would have just said that they prefered Macs over PCs then that would have been the end of the discussion.
tsk, tsk, I have said repeatedly that I like both Macs and PCs, and that I prefer Mac laptops for portability at this time. Yep yep. find me a quote where I said otherwise and I will consider bowing in your presence.
But the two fanboys (you) keep bringing false and stupid "arguments" in favour of Macs so the discussion continues.
my my my the usual...if you can take the heat..etc. etc.
I am giving real practical reasons why an iMac is not a good investement for the buyer or for the environement. (No I didn't state that explicitly but maybe if you really concentrate you might understand that throwing away a screen for no good reason but being stupid enough to buy a badly designed computer to start with is not good for the environement). Sure some people don't give a toss about practical reasoning. Thats their problem. It doesn't make an iMac a good investment.
Ok take that up with someone who cares about your opinion.
Some of us are just here to bring some sanity back into the discussion.
Yes I see some sane posts here, not yours though 
how does that in any way make an iMac a good design? It doesn't! But, as usual, logic isn't part of your reasoning. You are just having a knee-jerk reaction like a little kid caught doing something bad pointing his finger at another kid and saying "but he also did something bad".
let see find the post where I said iMac is a good design.
But it seems that you are admiting that you are a troll...
well...your opinion of me is for you to decide. I've been on the forums for a long time, and have had the opportunity to share thoughts with Cakewalk engineers face to face. They know exactly where I stand. Sonar is a good product. There are good people who prefer OSX. Sonar on OSX is worth exploring.
Sometimes it can be amusing to feed the trolls to see what more crap they will come up with. You are doing very well in the crap department.
my pleasure that's for confirming that you like crap. Fellas...another round please. lolz.
Oh and learn to quote. It might take you a while but if you concentrate, you might just manage...
ok. concentrating...concentrating...hey I'm managing!!! well lookihere!
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RE: EMI dropping DRM - great news for us
2007/04/10 19:16:36
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But virtual instruments are a benefit to Sonar itself. It is an added feature within Sonar. Porting to OS-X would not be a feature within Sonar. It would not benefit Sonar.
You really can't see the distinction here?
OK I see what's happening you are personifying Sonar. Sonar is not a person. it doesn't need benefits. People need benefits. Porting to OSX benefits people. SONAR has no feelings or opinions that I am aware of.
I can argue with all the bogus arguments used to rationalise that taste decision.
ok I see you want to argue taste. That really explains it. Honestly I see that as rediculous. But at least you came clean. I understand your energy now.
And it runs on OS-X!
exactly! are you looking for a touche here? Cubase is SONAR's most direct competitor. They have less than effective management, but they certainly have leveraged their "crossplatform" strategy to compete with Cakewalk. Even the VST standard will stand the test of time because it is the most open cross platform standard.
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RE: EMI dropping DRM - great news for us
2007/04/10 19:22:17
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So tell me all you pro mac people. What is so much better about OSX than XP/Vista ? First of all all, I am pro mac for "me"...I have no interest in converting anyone to MAC. In the context of this forum I am pro Cakewalk and I would like to see them experience some growth in the MAC OSX focused community. There is nothing wrong with XP/Vista from my perspective. I run SONAR on a Toshiba laptop and I run PT on two different MACs. Which is why when you paint all people who support MAC like you did - you are just plain wrong.
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RE: EMI dropping DRM - great news for us
2007/04/10 19:25:03
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quote:
I can argue with all the bogus arguments used to rationalise that taste decision.
ok I see you want to argue taste. That really explains it. Honestly I see that as rediculous. But at least you came clean. I understand your energy now. you really don't understand do you? let me point it out to you I can argue with all the bogus arguments used to ... there, any clearer?
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RE: EMI dropping DRM - great news for us
2007/04/10 19:25:45
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ORIGINAL: D.Triny
ohhhh!!! so the issue is you can't READ?
You have never misread anything in your life?
not knowing how to count is not funny to me. Seriously!
You indeed havn't demonstrated much of a sense of humour.
help me out here. There is no logic in math? come on now!!!!
I didn't say that. Jumping to conlusions again...
I see. ok God.
You may call me god if that pleases you.
must hurt eh?
No. It is just stupid.
Lie number 2....3 strikes and yer....
In your imagination again.
tsk, tsk, I have said repeatedly that I like both Macs and PCs, and that I prefer Mac laptops for portability at this time. Yep yep. find me a quote where I said otherwise and I will consider bowing in your presence.
Prefered or liked. Still a taste thing. Same thing.
my my you the usual...if you can take the heat..etc. etc.
Lets find out. Give us some valid arguments in favor of porting and we shall see...
Ok take that up with someone who cares about your opinion.
You care enough to keep responding. Again and again.
Yes I see some sane posts here, not yours though
It is indeed quite clear that you are not getting it.
Yes but as you yourself point out, they do have benefits that iMacs don't have (and as someone else pointed out, they don't have 24" screens). And anwyay, even if other companies offer bad designs (many do)
You didn't put this in quotes although it was my text. You must concentrate a bit harder.
let see find the post where I said iMac is a good design.
This was in response to you mentioning other companies. Duh. Or are you now saying that it is not a good design?
well...your opinion of me is for you to decide. I've been on the forums for a long time, and have had the opportunity to share thoughts with Cakewalk engineers face to face. I they know exactly where I stand.
Good for you.
Sonar is a good product. There are good people who prefer OSX. Sonar on OSX is worth exploring.
And they can use it on ther Macintel boxes without having Cakewalk port it to OS-X for them. Or do they find the OS more important than the DAW they use? They can't be too serious about their DAWs then...
my pleasure that's for confirming that you like crap. Fellas...another round please. lolz.
No this is not a logical conclusion. It is interesting in a anthropological sense. It just amazes me that some people just can't think logicaly. You are an interesting case study.
ok. concentrating...concentrating...hey I'm managing!!! well lookihere!
Not quite. Anyway, I'm off to bed. Catch you tommorow.  UnderTow
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RE: EMI dropping DRM - great news for us
2007/04/10 19:32:49
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OK I see what's happening you are personifying Sonar. Sonar is not a person. it doesn't need benefits. People need benefits. Porting to OSX benefits people. SONAR has no feelings or opinions that I am aware of.
So you don't see the distinction. Thats sad.
ok I see you want to argue taste. That really explains it. Honestly I see that as rediculous. But at least you came clean. I understand your energy now.
No. Wrong again. Amazing.
exactly! are you looking for a touche here?
Errr no. Some things just can't be explained to some people so I won't even bother.
Cubase is SONAR's most direct competitor. They have less than effective management, but they certainly have leveraged their "crossplatform" strategy to compete with Cakewalk.
I wonder who is doing better at the moment, Cakewalk or Steinberg. I havn't used C4 but Sonar 6 is certainly a better product than SX3. Maybe Cubase would be alot better if they didn't need to stretch out their resources so much. Who knows.
Even the VST standard will stand the test of time because it is the most open cross platform standard.
It is indeed here to stay for the foreseable future but I don't really think it became so dominant because of the fact that it is cross platform. These things are always hard to determine and I wouldn't claim to know how much of an influence that was/is. UnderTow
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RE: EMI dropping DRM - great news for us
2007/04/10 19:34:03
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you really don't understand do you?
let me point it out to you
sorry ooblecaboodle, it's not whether or not its about the arguments used to rationalize taste. it's still about taste. You are not going to change someone tastes by trying to identify the logic or lack thereof. Preferences are not generally tied to logic. So when you see someone who has formed an attitude or a preference for something you respect it. That is what I'm saying. For those who prefer to spend energy trying to change someone's opinion well that to me is a waste of energy. I'm sorry you can't see this.
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RE: EMI dropping DRM - great news for us
2007/04/10 19:35:48
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Not quite. Anyway, I'm off to bed. Catch you tommorow. cool you saved me having to wrestle with quoting that last thread. don't dribble.
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RE: EMI dropping DRM - great news for us
2007/04/10 19:38:34
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sorry ooblecaboodle, it's not whether or not its about the arguments used to rationalize taste. it's still about taste. You are not going to change someone tastes by trying to identify the logic or lack thereof. Preferences are not generally tied to logic. So when you see someone who has formed an attitude or a preference for something you respect it. That is what I'm saying. For those who prefer to spend energy trying to change someone's opinion well that to me is a waste of energy. I'm sorry you can't see this. As far as i'm concerned, I'm not trying to convert anyone's taste, I'm pointing out lies used to rationalise that taste. i don't care whether or not anyone prefers one thing to another, I do however, get annoyed by people using lies to reason why. EDIT, a few typos, too tired, got to go to bed. 6am start tomorrow, honestly, that's cruel and unusual punishment for a studio engineer!
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UnderTow
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RE: EMI dropping DRM - great news for us
2007/04/10 19:44:04
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ORIGINAL: D.Triny
sorry ooblecaboodle, it's not whether or not its about the arguments used to rationalize taste. it's still about taste. You are not going to change someone tastes by trying to identify the logic or lack thereof. Preferences are not generally tied to logic. So when you see someone who has formed an attitude or a preference for something you respect it. That is what I'm saying. For those who prefer to spend energy trying to change someone's opinion well that to me is a waste of energy. I'm sorry you can't see this.
Again, I am NOT arguing taste. I am arguing against the bogus arguments to rationalise those tastes. Those bogus arguments can and are being discussed ... or rather dispelled. Logic is really not your thing. There is rubbish being written here. Like AXE saying that Apple have the most powerfull computers available at the moment. If no one dispells that nonsense, someone that doesn't know better might believe it and then form a wrong opinion about Apple and their products. (Btw AXE where are you? As soon as there was proof that you where full of it, you stoped posting here). It is in everyone's interest that people know the truth about some of these things so they can make up their OWN opinion on things based on facts and not bogus marketing crap from some company that really does not have the general's public best interests at heart. UnderTow
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RE: EMI dropping DRM - great news for us
2007/04/10 19:46:53
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You are an interesting case study. now I'm really flattered! which I had more time in the days ahead...but I'll be sure to check in!
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RE: EMI dropping DRM - great news for us
2007/04/10 19:48:46
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now I'm really flattered!
You shouldn't be. You are an interesting case study in stupidity and lack of logical abilities. Nothing to be proud of. UnderTow
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RE: EMI dropping DRM - great news for us
2007/04/10 19:51:02
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There is rubbish being written here. Like AXE saying that Apple have the most powerfull computers available at the moment. If no one dispells that nonsense...
sure but if in the process of dispelling the nonsense, you offer your own nonsense...well you get the AXE UnderTow Effect (tm 2007)
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RE: EMI dropping DRM - great news for us
2007/04/10 19:52:00
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cool you saved me having to wrestle with quoting that last thread.don't dribble. Really nasty now.. Childish even. Got any hard data on Vista vs OSX on an Intel Mac?
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RE: EMI dropping DRM - great news for us
2007/04/10 19:52:23
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You shouldn't be. You are an interesting case study in stupidity and lack of logical abilities. Nothing to be proud of. aww you are so frustrated, let it go Imus.
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RE: EMI dropping DRM - great news for us
2007/04/10 19:56:33
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Really nasty now..
Childish even.
hey!! I resemble that!
Got any hard data on Vista vs OSX on an Intel Mac?
nope but since I plan to run both on different machines I have no real interest in proving one is "better" than the other. Both are great OS's imo.
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RE: EMI dropping DRM - great news for us
2007/04/10 19:57:17
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Really nasty now..
Childish even.
Its OK bigweb. I'm not being nice either. My main objection isn't that he isn't being nice but rather that he isn't being nice and has asbolutely nothing usefull or intelligent to say.
Got any hard data on Vista vs OSX on an Intel Mac?
If someone could answer that, this would have some purpouse... Does Vista work with Bootcamp? UnderTow
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RE: EMI dropping DRM - great news for us
2007/04/10 20:02:08
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Its OK bigweb. I'm not being nice either.
now this is getting funny. I admire the fact that you recognize this...c'mon bigweb get with the program 
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RE: EMI dropping DRM - great news for us
2007/04/10 20:10:41
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6am start tomorrow, honestly, that's cruel and unusual punishment for a studio engineer! yikes, agreed!!!
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RE: EMI dropping DRM - great news for us
2007/04/10 22:08:58
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sorry ooblecaboodle, it's not whether or not its about the arguments used to rationalize taste. it's still about taste. You are not going to change someone tastes by trying to identify the logic or lack thereof. Preferences are not generally tied to logic. So when you see someone who has formed an attitude or a preference for something you respect it. That is what I'm saying. For those who prefer to spend energy trying to change someone's opinion well that to me is a waste of energy. I'm sorry you can't see this.
As far as i'm concerned, I'm not trying to convert anyone's taste, I'm pointing out lies used to rationalise that taste. i don't care whether or not anyone prefers one thing to another, I do however, get annoyed by people using lies to reason why.
EDIT, a few typos, too tired, got to go to bed. 6am start tomorrow, honestly, that's cruel and unusual punishment for a studio engineer!
Are you still whining about being wrong and the Mac Pro taking technology lead? I told you this is most likely temporary and the lead will bounce around, you don't need to get so upset about it. Why is it so difficult for you to say "Wow, that's cool". It just doesn't make any sense. Did Apple kill your dog or something?
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RE: EMI dropping DRM - great news for us
2007/04/10 22:38:56
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now this is getting funny.
I admire the fact that you recognize this...
c'mon bigweb get with the program OK .. point taken. Got any hard data on Vista vs OSX on an Intel Mac? The reason I ask this question is, you seem to be implying that OSX is a better OS..... I'm wondering how you came to that conclusion. What can OSX do that XP/Vista can't? Is OSX faster than XP/Vista? etc etc etc
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RE: EMI dropping DRM - great news for us
2007/04/10 22:40:26
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Are you still whining about being wrong and the Mac Pro taking technology lead?
I told you this is most likely temporary and the lead will bounce around, you don't
need to get so upset about it.
Why is it so difficult for you to say "Wow, that's cool".
It just doesn't make any sense.
Did Apple kill your dog or something? jb reckons you didn't really block us at all so ..... Any response to the 16 CPU Boxx?
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RE: EMI dropping DRM - great news for us
2007/04/11 01:33:07
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Only if you're so full of yourself you can't help it.
So now we have 2 idiots in this thread.
Or are you Axe in disguise?
Let's include the ridiculous post that Lionsound was suggesting should be taken seriously:
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Oobie, you are too much. I literally shot water out my nose reading your posts, you are tremendously entertaining.
It is like watching a little kid not want to do his chores, it is beyond comical. You just enjoy building your little computers as it seems to be really integral to your life and I really do not wish to hurt your fragile ego any more. So please stop throwing yourself in front of moving cars
AXE
What kind of argument is this? Are we supposed to take him seriously?
My answer was, no, we are not to 'take him seriously' as axe's comments often seem very much tongue in cheek but, if you really do take this seriously, so what? What's wrong with rolling your own being an important part of your life? It's too comical, too over-the-top to be a real insult, there's simply nothing to it unless you've checked your sense of humor at the door and, in that case, axe will continue to mock you.
Actually by asking a rhetorical question I was implying that we shouldn't take Axe seriously. Look at his arguments and you'll see it is obvious that we shouldn't.
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RE: EMI dropping DRM - great news for us
2007/04/11 01:58:25
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The relatively small Apple development community put a major effort into getting Windows to run on a Mac at the earliest possible opportunity and Mac users all around the planet are making a big fuss about being able to run Windows. The enormous PC development community has never, to my knowledge, put any effort into getting MacOs running on a PC and I've never heard a PC user lament this and long to have MacOS on their PC. This, I think, speaks volumes.
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RE: EMI dropping DRM - great news for us
2007/04/11 06:11:16
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The relatively small Apple development community put a major effort into getting Windows to run on a Mac at the earliest possible opportunity and Mac users all around the planet are making a big fuss about being able to run Windows. The enormous PC development community has never, to my knowledge, put any effort into getting MacOs running on a PC and I've never heard a PC user lament this and long to have MacOS on their PC.
This, I think, speaks volumes. Which is why many of us here think the Port SONAR to OSX movement has got it backasswards... They got what they wanted SONAR running on a MAC but that's not enough, They want SONAR ported to OSX Which begs the question: What's so special about OSX?
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RE: EMI dropping DRM - great news for us
2007/04/11 06:39:20
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The relatively small Apple development community put a major effort into getting Windows to run on a Mac at the earliest possible opportunity and Mac users all around the planet are making a big fuss about being able to run Windows.
I doubt it took that much effort as Macintels are just regular PCs.
The enormous PC development community has never, to my knowledge, put any effort into getting MacOs running on a PC and I've never heard a PC user lament this and long to have MacOS on their PC.
Thats because Apple don't want OS-X to run on anything but Macs. And even so, there is a crack to run OS-X on regular PCs. (Never tried it myself). UnderTow
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2007/04/11 06:41:12
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Which begs the question:
What's so special about OSX?
There is loads of good stuff in OS-X but of course, if you are working within Sonar, none of that has any bearing. UnderTow
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