Anderton

Bub

GlennP 

Bub... I thought you would get a chuckle out of this, "left of field" how true! 

The problem with all of this is, you can't dispute the man without coming off like an a**hole. 

We all know his article isn't accurate ... but if you say anything, then you're the bad guy, know what I mean? 

LOL. 

Not necessarily the "bad" guy, just the guy who doesn't bother to do research...unlike the guy who writes articles and has his name on the line.

I stand by what I said. The article is indeed accurate; consider the timeline, go back to those dates in the forum, and check out the posts compared to the posts an equivalent amount of time after X1 was released.
That article was published in the January 2013 issue, which means the deadline was the first week of October 2012. Go back to the forum right after Sonar X2 was released, and check out the initial impressions. You'll find, as did I, that many initial impressions were indeed quite favorable - especially compared to the initial reaction to X1, which from day one, was generally extremely negative. It only took me a couple minutes (just to be fair, I did only a quick glance as per the original article...didn't search on complimentary words or anything) to locate lots of comments like the following.


DJ Wayne:

I just completed the install of X2, only took about 45 minutes which included registering all the components, a sound check with an X1 project, a midi check and, some lunch, all is well !!!

I love the auto zoom !!

X2 loads up really fast on my computer. :)


Slumbermachine:

I upgraded my X1 to X2 yesterday and I must say that everything that was annoying about working in X1 seems to have been improved. The workflow of X2 is ten times better! I did run into a few bugs, so cakewalk does have some work to do on patching, but nothing that was completely deadly. The interface is really pleasing on the eyes and feels plush, like driving a luxury car vs. a mid sized sedan. Congrats to the cakewalk team from a customer that has been with you since the dos versions in the 80s! Great release!

Jason r:

Exactly how I feel about it. Some bugs I have as well, like if I hover over the presets bar in pro channel it won't display until I press stop, and other minor shortcomings, but as a whole very much enjoying X2


ChipMichael

Ok... This is the best upgrade I've ever experienced.

X2 does all the things I do in X1, added some new features I really like (and already using) in X2 and didn't created a whole new learning curve with the features I know and love.

The upgrade from 8.5 to X1 was painful, frustration and numerous times I was tempted to go back and never purchase another Cakewalk product.  I was happy with 8.5, but not at all pleased with X1.  However, eventually, I found my way around the product. After 3 months of stagnation I was back to being productive.

THRILLED TO BE PRODUCTIVE FROM DAY ONE with SONAR X2.


Synkrotron:

So far, despite some minor issues, I am really enjoying X2 and I've only gone back to X1 to check the odd thing or two out.


Chuckebaby:

IM LOVIN LIFE WITH X2 !!!!

having alot of fun..less posting hre on the forum and more making music.
great thread man.


Zonno:

I am under the impression that X2 is a little bit more gapless than X1.


Steve C:

Definitely seems so here. Not 100%, but I do get gapping less frequently and when I do they tend to be less obtrusive. I like that I can drag a synth into the TV without stopping, and only the multi-out versions seem to have a noticeable effect.


Furthermore, there's more to life than forums. I queried Cakewalk about calls to tech support, complaints made directly to Cakewalk, and bug reports submitted. They said all of those were a trickle compared with X1.

A comment like "we all know the article isn't accurate" might explain why you come off like you say you do. Then again, I think you're the guy who said it wasn't appropriate to post a link to a particular video, but didn't actually watch the video before coming to that conclusion.

I think some of us do understand what you were saying and do not think the quote in question is inaccurate. See my post no. 4 on the first page. Some of us have a better idea what the forum is doing then others. Especially those that post once in a blue moon. 

Some of us know you for many years and know you have great integrity. 

I think most posters were very happy with the release of X2. 

Anderton

Bub

GlennP 

Bub... I thought you would get a chuckle out of this, "left of field" how true! 

The problem with all of this is, you can't dispute the man without coming off like an a**hole. 

We all know his article isn't accurate ... but if you say anything, then you're the bad guy, know what I mean? 

LOL. 

Not necessarily the "bad" guy, just the guy who doesn't bother to do research...unlike the guy who writes articles and has his name on the line.

I think it's a fair assessment to say that I probably spend a little more time here than you do?

I mean, I logged on at 7:30am on Friday and didn't log off until 12:30am Saturday. A quick glance at our join dates and post counts will tell you that I spend more time here on the forums than I do sleeping. This PC I use is also my DAW. So I'm always switching back and forth between the forums and my DAW. I pretty much see almost every post in the X1/2 forum.

Maybe I should do my own review and submit to a few places ... you know, something from an unbiased consumers point of view?

Research? Have you ever given me one iota of credit for all the people I have helped here or the positive things I have said about X2? Nope. Instead you accuse me of not bothering to do research. I think if you check ... I'm a lot more positive about X2 than some people here would have you believe.

I think Cakewalk's pretty lucky to have customers like me that spend so much time here helping people, and sending them revenue for the upgrade path and add-on's even after they've had some bad experiences with the software, some to the point where they couldn't even use it. But hey, that's just my warped 'positive' way of looking at it. It's a bit more based in reality in my opinion.

It only took me a couple minutes (just to be fair, I did only a quick glance as per the original article...didn't search on complimentary words or anything) to locate lots of comments like the following.

DJ Wayne:

I just completed the install of X2, only took about 45 minutes which included registering all the components, a sound check with an X1 project, a midi check and, some lunch, all is well !!!

I love the auto zoom !!

X2 loads up really fast on my computer. :)


Slumbermachine:

I upgraded my X1 to X2 yesterday and I must say that everything that was annoying about working in X1 seems to have been improved. The workflow of X2 is ten times better! I did run into a few bugs, so cakewalk does have some work to do on patching, but nothing that was completely deadly. The interface is really pleasing on the eyes and feels plush, like driving a luxury car vs. a mid sized sedan. Congrats to the cakewalk team from a customer that has been with you since the dos versions in the 80s! Great release!

Jason r:

Exactly how I feel about it. Some bugs I have as well, like if I hover over the presets bar in pro channel it won't display until I press stop, and other minor shortcomings, but as a whole very much enjoying X2


ChipMichael

Ok... This is the best upgrade I've ever experienced.

X2 does all the things I do in X1, added some new features I really like (and already using) in X2 and didn't created a whole new learning curve with the features I know and love.

The upgrade from 8.5 to X1 was painful, frustration and numerous times I was tempted to go back and never purchase another Cakewalk product.  I was happy with 8.5, but not at all pleased with X1.  However, eventually, I found my way around the product. After 3 months of stagnation I was back to being productive.

THRILLED TO BE PRODUCTIVE FROM DAY ONE with SONAR X2.


Synkrotron:

So far, despite some minor issues, I am really enjoying X2 and I've only gone back to X1 to check the odd thing or two out.


Chuckebaby:

IM LOVIN LIFE WITH X2 !!!!

having alot of fun..less posting hre on the forum and more making music.
great thread man.


Zonno:

I am under the impression that X2 is a little bit more gapless than X1.


Steve C:

Definitely seems so here. Not 100%, but I do get gapping less frequently and when I do they tend to be less obtrusive. I like that I can drag a synth into the TV without stopping, and only the multi-out versions seem to have a noticeable effect.


Furthermore, there's more to life than forums. I queried Cakewalk about calls to tech support, complaints made directly to Cakewalk, and bug reports submitted. They said all of those were a trickle compared with X1.

A comment like "we all know the article isn't accurate" might explain why you come off like you say you do. Then again, I think you're the guy who said it wasn't appropriate to post a link to a particular video, but didn't actually watch the video before coming to that conclusion.

We could go back and forth till eternity on this one. Kind of like that Star Trek episode with Frank Gorshin. LOL I can provide you with twice as many quotes from people that paid for X1 and X2 but can't use it ... or have left Cakewalk completely, or have went back to 8.5.

Hey, I didn't start this thread ... I only replied to it.

Same old insulting negative folks EVERYTIME. Yes, EVERYTIME.
 
Sad they do not realize they are the MINORITY, not the majority.
 
Try going thru 3 months of posts, all of them and count. remember one dumb*&s only counts as one as does one guy who feels sonar is stable enough. I did it more than once-
 
You depressing cry babies are around 12 to 15% of the forum members.
 
But you guys won't do that because then you would have to lie to be able to spew your garbage.
 
Wait, who am I kidding, nothing short of a miracle would stop the hate and garbage.
 

Bub
I think it's a fair assessment to say that I probably spend a little more time here than you do?

I mean, I logged on at 7:30am on Friday and didn't log off until 12:30am Saturday. A quick glance at our join dates and post counts will tell you that I spend more time here on the forums than I do sleeping. This PC I use is also my DAW. So I'm always switching back and forth between the forums and my DAW. I pretty much see almost every post in the X1/2 forum.

Maybe I should do my own review and submit to a few places ... you know, something from an unbiased consumers point of view?

Research? Have you ever given me one iota of credit for all the people I have helped here or the positive things I have said about X2? Nope. Instead you accuse me of not bothering to do research. I think if you check ... I'm a lot more positive about X2 than some people here would have you believe.

I think Cakewalk's pretty lucky to have customers like me that spend so much time here helping people, and sending them revenue for the upgrade path and add-on's even after they've had some bad experiences with the software, some to the point where they couldn't even use it. But hey, that's just my warped 'positive' way of looking at it. It's a bit more based in reality in my opinion.

Hey, I didn't start this thread ... I only replied to it.

You are truly delusional-How very sad indeed. At least now I really understand.

SteveStrummerUK

John
 

I'm not saying that X2 is without flaws but at this time after X1 one was released it was far and away worse on this forum. 
 

Yet at the time, your completely unbiased and objective assessment of the situation was, and I quote: "I have used X1 from its release. I have not had any significant problems with it. Actually X1 as a first release was far and away the best first release CW ever put out"
 
Sorry John, I've said it before and I'll say it again, but your opinions are worthless and irrelevant to any serious discussion about Cakewalk products.
 
And yes, I've brought that quote up again. And I'll continue to do so until you retract that highly subjective and erroneous statement.

And as before I was talking how it was working for me. There is no way you can find fault with it because it applied to me. I still have that same opinion. A few things you should keep in mind when you try to confront me on statements I have made. Sometimes its what I do not say about Sonar that one can draw a lot from. Another is that when I talk about Sonar and give an opinion on it it is my experience that I am basing it on. I do not and have never parroted any one else. I listen but I do not always see the same thing. 

Its too bad you find me incredible. I try hard to be accurate when I offer any thoughts on Sonar or how to use it. 

What I find odd is that you are cataloging statements made by me years ago and no others. Why is that?

You know the controversy X1 caused when it came out. You I was strongly in favor of it you also that for many it was not stable for them until X1d came out. For me it was stable from day one. It had some glitches but none that crash it on my machine. 

The whole tone and acceptance of X2 was totally different when it came out. Even though it also had its share of issues. That is a fact and a study of the period will testify.


 

   

Look,  There's a lot in between a fanboy and a basher.  I'm neither, I appreciate what is good and what works about Sonar and I point out that which needs improvement and those things that don't work as advertised. 
 
One can't fully trust the vast majority of software "reviews" in the major commercial music magazines for several reasons:
 
1.  An old-boy's network of doing favors for each other (software publishers/magazines)
2.  The reviewer tinkers with the program for a week or so and only uses 1/4 of its features or so (I could be wrong, but Anderton mentioned, I think, that he doesn't use the staff view for example)
3.  Real-world issues other than installation (i.e. bugs) are seldom talked about.  The pros and cons section of Sound on Sound reviews, for example, rarely mention bugs, even though programming errors are abundant in X2a, albeit much fewer than in X1 and its subsequent releases
 
Is it not possible for people to find some middle ground (many do) between being an unappreciative bashing jerk and an uncritical, software-worshipping fanboy?  
 
My sense of the CW X2 forum is that there are a lot of people, some 40-50% who experience crashes.  That's a lot.  But how many of these crashes are due to Sonar and how many are due to bad drivers, overtaxed computers, not enough memory, poor quality sound cards, poor troubleshooting skills, etc.? Hard to say.  Then there are the many people reporting all kinds of bugs, big and small.  One of my students just had to download a Kontakt 5 update because it wasn't behaving well with Digital Performer 8, so Sonar is not the only DAW with bugs.
 
I think some musicians here, those who actually love making music more than they love tinkering, upgrading, testing and comparing their tools, don't upgrade unless necessary.  When one uses complex tools, such as the ones we use, getting them to work together in a reasonably stable and reliable manner is not always easy, upgrading anything is often a dumb idea unless the gains will really be greater than the risks of introducing instability into the system.  The newest incarnation of a software program is not necessarily the best version.  I'll take Sonar 7.0.2 (and use) over any other version because it works extremely well on Windows 7 and utilizes 64 bit technology so I can do whatever I need to do with it.   It looks better than X2, the layouts, window locking and docking are just as useful and flexible as in X1 and X2 (if you bother to learn how to use them) and it handles all of my VST soft synths and third-party signal processing without an issue.  What more could I want, besides a more sophisticated notation editor?
 
JG
www.jerrygerber.com/

Its not hard to take things out of context and make a big deal out them. I think the OP should apologize to Mr. Anderton.

Those of you here that jumped on it should also apologize to him and the rest of us.  

You should be ashamed of yourselves. 

John


Its not hard to take things out of context and make a big deal out them. I think the OP should apologize to Mr. Anderton.

Those of you here that jumped on it should also apologize to him and the rest of us.  

You should be ashamed of yourselves. 

Doubt that is going to happen....


Too much negativism round to actually cut through this lot. I, for one, do not tie my whole identity to what DAW I buy...but some seem to have done just that....




Dang "A" and "S" keys MI .

John

Its not hard to take things out of context and make a big deal out them. I think the OP should apologize to Mr. Anderton.

Those of you here that jumped on it should also apologize to him and the rest of us.  

You should be ashamed of yourselves.

I think you should apologize to people for downplaying all the problems with Sonar and leading them to believe it works flawlessly. That's a lot worse than anyone coming on here complaining about the actual bugs.

Talk about taking things out of context ...

And if this thread is so upsetting to you, maybe you should take your own advice and ignore it.

Bub

John

Its not hard to take things out of context and make a big deal out them. I think the OP should apologize to Mr. Anderton.

Those of you here that jumped on it should also apologize to him and the rest of us.  

You should be ashamed of yourselves.

I think you should apologize to people for downplaying all the problems with Sonar and leading them to believe it works flawlessly. That's a lot worse than anyone coming on here complaining about the actual bugs.

Talk about taking things out of context ...

And if this thread is so upsetting to you, maybe you should take your own advice and ignore it.

First off I have never done such a thing. That is BS. Pure and simple. 

Perhaps you are unaware but this is the second time on this forum that Graig Anderton has been attacked. You have been a participant in both attacks. 

Please stop your nonsense now and forever. Saying lies and than repeating them doesn't make them any more true. 

You really need to look at your behavior here and in other threads before you accuse me or anyone else of anything. 

backwoods


Bub: where did John say Sonar works flawlessly?

It's quite depressing hanging around people who have a "life is $hit" vibe. 

Well said, backwoods.
 
As I said earlier, some people read these threads through their own agendas.  It's like "rose-tinted specs" but coloured with bilirubin.

I get that some ppl have been getting crashes and whatnot here..but why attack someone who is just reporting something that may be, in fact, true?

So it was a smoother rollout than previous incarnations? What is with the downer approach? Why say it is a lie? Has it become a battle between 'fanbois' vs 'bashers'....again?

Neither do I....

We need to get back to helping one another not attacking one another. 

Wow its the 21st century and we are still listening to journalists.  On the other hand for me Sonar X2A is stable. And the reason why is because I made the effort to make it that way.