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Re:Electronic Musician…
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This is waaaay OT and I realize nobody cares, but I was just trying to remember when it was that I first started reading EM Magazine, so I looked it up on Wikipedia and it mentioned EM started as Polyphony Magazine in 1975, published by PAiA Electronics. That reminded me that when me and my brother were teenagers we read about the PAiA Drum Machine kit, and we had to have it. So we ordered it, but when it arrived we soon realized we were in way over our heads. We had no clue what we were doing with a soldering iron and pretty much torched the hell out of the circuit board. We were completely bummed when it didn't work, but we called PAiA and they let us send it back to them and they soldered everything for us for free. Life was good again. I just found a link on youtube that shows what the completed machine looked like. A little on the primitive side, but it was allegedly the first programmable drum machine. I think Peter Gabriel actually used it back in the day. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pqeLD-o9aM
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Re:Electronic Musician…
2013/02/17 06:56:20
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Sigh! All this arguing and bickering back and forth… I hope it wasn't something I said? That is to say... my benign statement.
This forum is full of immature children; if someone disagrees with curtain members then they are shot down in flames. Anderson’s attitude being the worst he’s the most “hurt little child” of them all and suffering from a double dose of Pollyannaism. I excuse him because he’s the smart one making a buck out of the mug users of the DAW software industry, while the blind gullible devotes absorb the crap that you want someone to tell you.
I post here infrequently because I’m to busy making music. That’s right people; sonar is software to assist in making music. I state this because it seems to me that a significant number of forum members (like backwoods and jb101) think it’s a toy to fill in the hours of an unfulfilled existence. Too much spare time they have, because they no longer can make it as a muso. You need to stop and realise that you are emotionally and artistically crippled and all that is left for you is to play with yourself in your bedrooms and pretend… Oh what might have been… If only…
Thank god for “Bub” and other lateral-thinking individuals.
They are a breath of fresh air and reality based.
Why not try and make music for a change?
P.S. Oh and before you start john fanboi, there is no apology coming from me for stating the truth. Plus I’m not interested in that fact that you are a grandfather or that you fought in a war for you country, you have already overstated this irrelevances.
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Re:Electronic Musician…
2013/02/17 07:31:47
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GlennP
Sigh! All this arguing and bickering back and forth… I hope it wasn't something I said? That is to say... my benign statement.
This forum is full of immature children; if someone disagrees with curtain members then they are shot down in flames. Anderson’s attitude being the worst he’s the most “hurt little child” of them all and suffering from a double dose of Pollyannaism. I excuse him because he’s the smart one making a buck out of the mug users of the DAW software industry, while the blind gullible devotes absorb the crap that you want someone to tell you.
I post here infrequently because I’m to busy making music. That’s right people; sonar is software to assist in making music. I state this because it seems to me that a significant number of forum members (like backwoods and jb101) think it’s a toy to fill in the hours of an unfulfilled existence. Too much spare time they have, because they no longer can make it as a muso. You need to stop and realise that you are emotionally and artistically crippled and all that is left for you is to play with yourself in your bedrooms and pretend… Oh what might have been… If only…
Thank god for “Bub” and other lateral-thinking individuals.
They are a breath of fresh air and reality based.
Why not try and make music for a change?
P.S. Oh and before you start john fanboi, there is no apology coming from me for stating the truth. Plus I’m not interested in that fact that you are a grandfather or that you fought in a war for you country, you have already overstated this irrelevances.
So what is the point your trying to make? Your unhappy because_______? Tom
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Re:Electronic Musician…
2013/02/17 08:16:21
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mmmm...maybe if the article in question was done a few weeks later the assessment might have been different.
But, you know, I have yet to see any DAW have a 'flawless' workflow or any of that...they ALL have issues at one point or another.
Deal with it.....
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Re:Electronic Musician…
2013/02/17 08:33:52
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GlennP
Sigh! All this arguing and bickering back and forth… I hope it wasn't something I said? That is to say... my benign statement.
This forum is full of immature children; if someone disagrees with curtain members then they are shot down in flames. Anderson’s attitude being the worst he’s the most “hurt little child” of them all and suffering from a double dose of Pollyannaism. I excuse him because he’s the smart one making a buck out of the mug users of the DAW software industry, while the blind gullible devotes absorb the crap that you want someone to tell you.
I post here infrequently because I’m to busy making music. That’s right people; sonar is software to assist in making music. I state this because it seems to me that a significant number of forum members (like backwoods and jb101) think it’s a toy to fill in the hours of an unfulfilled existence. Too much spare time they have, because they no longer can make it as a muso. You need to stop and realise that you are emotionally and artistically crippled and all that is left for you is to play with yourself in your bedrooms and pretend… Oh what might have been… If only…
Thank god for “Bub” and other lateral-thinking individuals.
They are a breath of fresh air and reality based.
Why not try and make music for a change?
P.S. Oh and before you start john fanboi, there is no apology coming from me for stating the truth. Plus I’m not interested in that fact that you are a grandfather or that you fought in a war for you country, you have already overstated this irrelevances.
Well, Glenn, where to start.. I, personally, use Sonar as a tool for my work. It works for me, and I earn a good living from it. I have been a professional musician and tutor for thirty years. That is more than I expect you can say. The rest of your post is just plain rude. It perfectly illustrates the kind of forum member I was describing earlier. The word hypocritical comes to mind. Anyway, no hard feelings here. You don't know me so your attempts at character assassination are meaningless, and puerile. You are obviously unhappy. I hope your experiences improve soon.
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Re:Electronic Musician…
2013/02/17 10:40:17
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Hi Craig, Are you aware that one of the reasons that the X2 roll out seemed so serene is that a lot less people bothered to buy it than X1 or X1E. http://www.roland.com/ir/pdf/2013/20130208_2.pdf "Dec 31 2013: [Professional video, professional audio and computer music equipment] With regard to professional video equipment, robust sales of all-in-one AV mixers for live online video streaming were recorded, but sales of professional audio equipment were low primarily in the United States and Europe. In computer music equipment, however, sales of music production software and peripheral equipment were weak. As a result, net sales for this segment fell by 13.4% year on year to ¥3,353 million."
I did a little more research... and here's the news from http://www.roland.com/ir/pdf/2012/20120509.pdf "March 31, 2012: [Professional video, professional audio and computer music equipment] With respect to professional audio equipment, sales were sluggish against a backdrop of decreased corporate capital expenditure in Japan and Europe, but in the case of professional video equipment, sales of new all-in-one AV mixers for live online video streaming contributed to the posting of year-on-year sales growth. Computer music equipment, on the other hand, saw sales of music production software and portable recorders decline. As a result, net sales for this segment fell by 11.6% year on year, to ¥5,211 million." It's difficult to locate specific descriptions of X1 initial sales in the older reports but one thing seems apparent; All that dissatisfaction voiced when X1 rolled out... it was not just make believe... it was the reaction of the market. Cakewalk and Roland may have told us that the roll out was the most successful ever but the accountants used this description: http://www.roland.com/ir/...alResultsMarch2011.pdf "sales of computer music equipment and portable recorders were weak, especially in Japan and North America, despite our efforts to stimulate the demand through the introduction of new products" X2 seemed to have a smaller advertising budget than the more successful X1 and X1E versions... it was the quietest... least hyped roll out I have ever seen. I was impressed by that. It seemed smart, appropriate, and perhaps an indication that someone at Roland understands the dynamic of the market. I also noticed that from mid summer 2012 through the present that the Roland staff members that debated and bickered with their disappointed and unsatisfied customers back in 2011 did not make the same sort of frequent and dramatized appearances that they had when X1 was rolled out. That helped make the roll out seem less like a comical tragedy and more like a pragmatic acknowledgement that those reports I linked to above actually mean something. I agree with you Craig, I think it is indisputable that the X2 roll out was quiet and calm... later when people actually started using X2 the forum may have changed... but the roll out seemed real calm. It seemed like that respectful silence you encounter when you are at a funeral home. There happens to be a reason it was calm; Lots of folks... people like myself... made the decision, for the first time in 18 years... to not pay the annual upgrade fee. I declined to buy X2 and this was the first time since I became a Cakewalk customer that I have not upgraded. I hope that Roland will recognize that Cakewalk is not retaining its customers and that it takes the time to learn the reason why that is. I find it sadly ironic that a magazine with circulation of 8,500 paid printed copies high lights it's irrelevance by distributing 6 month old "news" that never asks or answers any of the questions that might explain why the roll out has been generally ignored by the public and unheralded by it's creators. I agree with John when he says: "The whole tone and acceptance of X2 was totally different when it came out. Even though it also had its share of issues. That is a fact and a study of the period will testify." I went out and found the studies. When I paid for my X1E upgrade... I never downloaded it... I made that payment with a sense of benign resignation and hoped Cakewalk wouldn't have to lay off the important people. When I didn't pay for the X2 upgrade... it was because Cakewalk had finally mismanaged the business of retaining me as an existing customer to the point where I could not send in any money in good faith. Now I'm reading about layoffs. There is a story there... it is a complicated story about a two decade business relationship made untenable by the fact that the supplier simply doesn't seem to want to know what its departing customers actually want to buy. best regards, mike
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Re:Electronic Musician…
2013/02/17 11:40:30
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GlennP
Sigh! All this arguing and bickering back and forth… I hope it wasn't something I said? That is to say... my benign statement.
This forum is full of immature children; if someone disagrees with curtain members then they are shot down in flames. Anderson’s attitude being the worst he’s the most “hurt little child” of them all and suffering from a double dose of Pollyannaism. I excuse him because he’s the smart one making a buck out of the mug users of the DAW software industry, while the blind gullible devotes absorb the crap that you want someone to tell you.
I post here infrequently because I’m to busy making music. That’s right people; sonar is software to assist in making music. I state this because it seems to me that a significant number of forum members (like backwoods and jb101) think it’s a toy to fill in the hours of an unfulfilled existence. Too much spare time they have, because they no longer can make it as a muso. You need to stop and realise that you are emotionally and artistically crippled and all that is left for you is to play with yourself in your bedrooms and pretend… Oh what might have been… If only…
Thank god for “Bub” and other lateral-thinking individuals.
They are a breath of fresh air and reality based.
Why not try and make music for a change?
P.S. Oh and before you start john fanboi, there is no apology coming from me for stating the truth. Plus I’m not interested in that fact that you are a grandfather or that you fought in a war for you country, you have already overstated this irrelevances.
im sure you could have worded your first post a little different to try and make your point. and this post appears that,at first;you feel bad if its something you said to start a war amoung users here. but then go on to insult craig calling him a child. listen man,im not going to insult you by claiming im making productive music with great results with sonar x2. but i will say,when x2 was released this forum was a happy place,i remember. i was one of the people quoted on craigs post saying; " Chuckebaby: IM LOVIN LIFE WITH X2 !!!! having alot of fun..less posting hre on the forum and more making music. great thread man. this was me,and those were others feeling the same way. im just sure what your point is in this whole thread? do you not like craig ? you feel its your duty to let the users know your opinions? that cool,but forgive me,if ive never seen you here asking for help with your issues or what are they? you havent really covered that yet. i will agree with one thing,alot of people hang out here rather than making music with sonar. including myself. i think there are better ways to convey your opinions and i think you'd agree with me when i say your thread has caused quite a stir and boiled tempers,is that really what you wanted?
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Re:Electronic Musician…
2013/02/17 12:18:13
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Geez, why even jump in this one, but here it goes.
Mike, you'd be the first one to jump on general statistics you've given above. They don't state how many copies were sold of SONAR, or divide up portable recorders from software other than SONAR. And if overall msuic production ales were bad, imagine how much worse sales would have been X2 hadn't been released. I see your point - sales were probably disappointing, as well as for the entire industry, as well as the entire ecomony. 4 years into the "recovery" still feels like recession. I don't think Cake or even Roland has much control over the general ecomonic conditions.
As far as the controversy over this roll-out thread, two people have kept this thread going. Bub, who's continued involvement in SONAR with all the problems he has with every version leads me to wonder about unresolved masochistic issues. That is when I think about it at all, which isn't often but only in threads like this. I simply wonder why he hasn't moved to a DAW that does work for him.
The other seems to GlennP. I don't know of Mr. p, but I know of Craig Anterton. I've been reading his music and music tech writings for a long time - too long to admit to. He edits (or is it publishes?) Electronic Musician as well as writes in it, does the same for the online Harmony-Central, writes in other magazines and does a SONAR column for SOS, prehaps the most read music tech magazine in the world. He seems to make a living from all that, as well as travelling and performing around the world (or Europe/USA anyway). Which doesn't make him right about everything music and technology, but certainly gives some weight to his statements and even opinions. To slag him, GlennP, with ad hominiem attacks just shows the paucity of your arguements and a littleness.
Mr. Anderton already destroyed your points early in this thread - have gave facts and figures to back up his statements. He hasn't come back since he doesn't have to. I suppose the next line in your arguements is the hitler one. That would be about par for the course. Give it up, man, for gods' sake. He sank your battleship.
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Re:Electronic Musician…
2013/02/17 12:31:59
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chuckebaby
i will agree with one thing,alot of people hang out here rather than making music with sonar.
including myself.
You got me thinking about this so I went and checked my Audio Projects folder, and my backup drive. I was actually shocked that I have so many songs I'm working on and have completed. 132 all totaled. About 3/4 completed, some new, some I'm in the process of remixing/remastering. Some of it was old band demo's I ripped from the original 8-track masters, some old audio restoration things, covers, original songs. There's a lot of crap there. And that's not counting the stuff I've collaborated on that I don't have the projects to, and the 50 or so songs I lost in an HDD crash years ago. I bet all totaled, I've done or been involved with well over 200 projects in Sonar over the years. Think about how much time that is inside a program ... and I'm just a hobbyist. I'm sure there's guys out there with a hell of a lot more than that. It actually helps to take a break ever 15 ~ 20 minutes when mixing/mastering. Helps with that whole 'tired ear' thing. I have internet access on my DAW, so I pop on over to the forum. I religiously take breaks now because I'm using headphones only. Keeps my ears from ringing too bad. It's winter ... you see me here a lot more this time of year because I can't work outside. I won't be here near as much come this spring. Especially this year. We moved to a new house and I have a lot of outside chores to do. Actually, I haven't been here as much as I normally am this year because I had a lot of work to do in the new house. Gee, maybe that accounts for why X2's release was so quiet. Honestly, it probably does ... When I started using X2, there was already a Quick Fix out. I was in the process of moving from Iowa to Missouri and didn't have time to use it when it first came out. There were some show stopping bugs in it that showed up on my system. I'm not saying it happened to everyone and I'm not going to call them a liar or any crap like that if anyone comes in and says they didn't see anything wrong, but on my system there were bugs that made it pretty much unusable. As soon as I ran in to it, I checked for a Quick Fix, installed it, and it fixed it, and I didn't say much about it. But I can assure you that if I would have started using X2 on day 1 like I did X1 and ran in to it, I would have been here, and because of people like John going to any length he possibly can to squelch any problem he can with Sonar, it wouldn't have been pretty.
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Re:Electronic Musician…
2013/02/17 12:41:12
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This is directed at nobody in particular.
This thread is a giant pile of steamy bashing. I am not speaking of the original post - the original poster expressed an opinion on something Mr Anderton had written in a publication. OK, agree or disagree with either side - no problem.
The thread quickly descended into a dark, mean-spirited bunch of personal bashing, and has largely remained there.
Please folks - just please. Enough of the bashing.
Can we get back to being helpful and supportive of each other? Learning from each other? Respecting each other's differences and differences of opinion?
In general terms, there are those with significant impediments to getting things done with Sonar, there are those with reasonable productivity, and there are those with good productivity with Sonar. These are not cut and dried classifications - just generalities.
In some cases, impediments in Sonar are caused by bugs, caused by system issues, and/or caused by an incomplete understanding of how to do things (either with Sonar, or just audio production).
I think that in all cases, flame-free communication and analysis are the best approach to us helping each other out, for any of the above situations.
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Re:Electronic Musician…
2013/02/17 12:47:27
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As far as the controversy over this roll-out thread, two people have kept this thread going. Bub, who's continued involvement in SONAR with all the problems he has with every version leads me to wonder about unresolved masochistic issues.
That is when I think about it at all, which isn't often but only in threads like this. I simply wonder why he hasn't moved to a DAW that does work for him.
Ahh ... another positive post with words such as 'masochistic', and accusations of keeping a bad thread going. Yeah, this post really helps a lot. But yeah, it's all my fault. Nobody else says anything that's offensive here. I'm the only one. What about yorolpal, or spacey, or you mentioning all the bugs earlier, or Anderton's reply " just the guy who doesn't bother to do research", or TEN_K mentioning all the bugs that haven't been fixed, or the first part of jsg's post, or CakeAlex's post about listening to journalists ... It's things like you are posting that keep these kind of threads going. Craig and I said our piece and have moved on, but people like you actually keep it going.
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Re:Electronic Musician…
2013/02/17 14:20:26
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I respect Craigs views.
I haven't said a negative thing towards anybody.
I see it differently right or wrong.
Besides...with all the problems I've had in the past with different versions -saying
X2 is the smoothest just doesn't mean much to me anyway.
Still having the same ol problems....software bugs, hardware issues, updates, OS changes...
always something. Gotta love it.
I admit I haven't been keeping score....if more are having a great time with X2 then that's a good thing.
My view is from the troubled seats...just looks different from here.
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Re:Electronic Musician…
2013/02/17 14:30:42
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I'm not one who spends a lot of time posting in this forum, as I am very busy with my music and outside projects. I do find this forum can be very informative, and has helped me out a lot.
So, I log-in to see read some of the threads of interest to me, and I unfortunately came across this one.
All I can say is; How pitiful!
I'm going fishing now.
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Re:Electronic Musician…
2013/02/17 15:02:16
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A couple of points from a very infrequent visitor who just happened to Coe across this thread.
Bub.......why not try another DAW? I became increasingly unhappy with sonar, ( for me ) it was buggy, unresolved and flaky , for my needs and income I HAD to switch, I'm very glad I did....let's be honest the practices and attitudes at Cake have very much changed since the Roland takeover. Yes I know you have spent a lot of money on Sonar ( as have I ), sometimes just finding a tool that suits your needs better is the thing to do.
I posted recently that after a VERY long absence I found the whole tone of the forums to be nastier and fragmented, I haven't revised my opinion.
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Re:Electronic Musician…
2013/02/17 15:51:56
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Perhaps what some folks are getting hung up on is Craig's use of the word "rollout". I did. He's not one to spout off the first thing that leaps into his head. He seems to take a very reasoned approach. And I imagine that he's most likely exactly right...X2 was, and will be remembered as, a fairly smooth "rollout". But I also think that if you fellows and gals will remember just how poorly X1's "rollout" went...and I mean pooooooooorly...that Cake could've released a ten-pack of ShamWows and a bowl of cigarette butts and called it "X2" and there would've been a collective sigh of relief.
Again, don't get me wrong, I liked most of X1 as well. But what I didn't like or missed I carped about. Cause I paid for that priviledge. I honestly don't think anyone who really gets down deep and uses Sonar...or any other DAW for that matter...is happy with everything about it. That's what makes a horserace. And, having used Cake products since right about their inception, I've had my share of frustration, lost work, seemingly crazy random glitches and bugs which caused me both lost time and wages. So I try my dead level best to understand and commiserate with folks who FOR WHATEVER REASON...KNOWN OR UNKNOWN are having serious troubles with their systems and Sonar. I bet Craig would agree with most, if not all, of this.
Anywhoo, just another county heard from. Carry on.
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Re:Electronic Musician…
2013/02/17 18:10:45
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spacey
I respect Craigs views.
I haven't said a negative thing towards anybody.
I see it differently right or wrong.
Besides...with all the problems I've had in the past with different versions -saying
X2 is the smoothest just doesn't mean much to me anyway.
Still having the same ol problems....software bugs, hardware issues, updates, OS changes...
always something. Gotta love it.
I admit I haven't been keeping score....if more are having a great time with X2 then that's a good thing.
My view is from the troubled seats...just looks different from here.
My point behind my post was, I'm not the only one that sees these problems. I'm not making them up. Nothing more, nothing less. And I don't bring them up as much as everyone makes out I do either. Honestly, I can't even remember the last time I started a thread here in the X2 forum. There's just a handful of people here that despise the fact that I do chime in on threads and take the part of people when they are ganging up on them, and every single time it turns in to something ugly. And a lot of times they blow things way out of proportion just for the sake of bashing on me. For example ... what was the point of JSGlen's post? "pitiful!". What good does it do to go in to the middle of a thread like this and add more trash to it unless you are trying to get a rise out of someone? No ... no anger there, just blame it all on me. Yep, every single bit of every thread that a certain few here don't like ... all my fault.
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Re:Electronic Musician…
2013/02/17 18:21:47
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A couple of points from a very infrequent visitor who just happened to Coe across this thread.
Bub.......why not try another DAW? I became increasingly unhappy with sonar, ( for me ) it was buggy, unresolved and flaky , for my needs and income I HAD to switch, I'm very glad I did....let's be honest the practices and attitudes at Cake have very much changed since the Roland takeover. Yes I know you have spent a lot of money on Sonar ( as have I ), sometimes just finding a tool that suits your needs better is the thing to do.
I posted recently that after a VERY long absence I found the whole tone of the forums to be nastier and fragmented, I haven't revised my opinion.
Thanks for the post artsoul. I stick with Sonar because I like it. I do have a couple of backup DAW's I use when there's a release that Cakewalk puts out that's non-functional like X1 was for me, but I always come back to check on things when a Quick Fix or Patch is released. I don't make a living with Sonar, so it's not a big deal if I waste some time with it if you know what I mean, but in an actual studio, I can absolutely see why some would jump to another solution. Thanks, Bub.
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Re:Electronic Musician…
2013/02/17 18:24:06
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Bub,
My post was simply my opinion of the direction this thread has taken. No intent on my part to get "a rise" out of anyone. Out of all the immature posts in this thread you found mine to be particularly offensive to you? If so, no offence intended. This thread is just one example of why I spend less time in this forum. There are a lot of very knowledgeable and helpful people here, but, it just seems to me this forum has lately taken the low road.
Respectfully,
Jay
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Re:Electronic Musician…
2013/02/17 18:43:13
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Bub
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I respect Craigs views.
I haven't said a negative thing towards anybody.
I see it differently right or wrong.
Besides...with all the problems I've had in the past with different versions -saying
X2 is the smoothest just doesn't mean much to me anyway.
Still having the same ol problems....software bugs, hardware issues, updates, OS changes...
always something. Gotta love it.
I admit I haven't been keeping score....if more are having a great time with X2 then that's a good thing.
My view is from the troubled seats...just looks different from here.
My point behind my post was, I'm not the only one that sees these problems. I'm not making them up.
Nothing more, nothing less.
And I don't bring them up as much as everyone makes out I do either. Honestly, I can't even remember the last time I started a thread here in the X2 forum. There's just a handful of people here that despise the fact that I do chime in on threads and take the part of people when they are ganging up on them, and every single time it turns in to something ugly. And a lot of times they blow things way out of proportion just for the sake of bashing on me.
For example ... what was the point of JSGlen's post? "pitiful!". What good does it do to go in to the middle of a thread like this and add more trash to it unless you are trying to get a rise out of someone? No ... no anger there, just blame it all on me. Yep, every single bit of every thread that a certain few here don't like ... all my fault.
Bub, Please explain how my post (your example) even relates to what you state above. My post was not directed at you, or anyone one in particular. I did not blame you, don't be so defensive.
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Re:Electronic Musician…
2013/02/17 19:24:36
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It's just been one of THOSE threads.... 
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Re:Electronic Musician…
2013/02/17 21:17:08
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GlennP
Sigh! All this arguing and bickering back and forth… I hope it wasn't something I said? That is to say... my benign statement.
This forum is full of immature children; if someone disagrees with curtain members then they are shot down in flames. Anderson’s attitude being the worst he’s the most “hurt little child” of them all and suffering from a double dose of Pollyannaism. I excuse him because he’s the smart one making a buck out of the mug users of the DAW software industry, while the blind gullible devotes absorb the crap that you want someone to tell you.
I realize it's not a fair fight when one person has facts, and the other person is armed only with opinions. And when your only response is an ad hominem attack, it's pretty clear who the little child is. But...please carry on, and keep pushing the name of the magazine to the top of the forum stack! Yes, I have played your post like a violin. Have a nice day!
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Re:Electronic Musician…
2013/02/17 21:19:53
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Neither of you are helping.
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Re:Electronic Musician…
2013/02/17 21:23:55
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GlennP
I post here infrequently because I’m to busy making music. That’s right people; sonar is software to assist in making music. I state this because it seems to me that a significant number of forum members (like backwoods and jb101) think it’s a toy to fill in the hours of an unfulfilled existence. Too much spare time they have, because they no longer can make it as a muso. You need to stop and realise that you are emotionally and artistically crippled and all that is left for you is to play with yourself in your bedrooms and pretend… That's kinda condescending.
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Re:Electronic Musician…
2013/02/17 21:26:39
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It is never too late to take the high road...never.
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Re:Electronic Musician…
2013/02/17 21:28:07
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Re:Electronic Musician…
2013/02/17 22:10:03
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I don't necessarily agree with yorolpal in terms of other DAW's having issues. It is not the case. I have been using Studio One now for over two years and I could count the things I don't like about it on one tiny little hand. It is virtually faultless on my system here. The problem many Sonar users have is that because they have been using the program since day one they are afraid to really get into something else. And as a result they never really know how other DAW's are working out there. Only a few here can say they have. Any software that causes crashes especially in a pressure income situation, looses work, looses hours, destroys reputations etc needs to be seriously reviewed. I can say that has never happened to me and if it did the program would be out the window quick smart. I have just finished a jingle and pushed my DAW real hard for four days now and not even a glitch. That is how it should be. The Sonar users that have their system working well would be OK in that situation but as many here are nowhere near a pressure situation you will never really find out how a program handles pressure. Believe me some do it well and others do not. Look at my signature again people. While many (Craig included) are talking about people you are all of poor mind. A good habit is if you are about to say something about a person, STOP. Think no, I will do ideas instead. You will be amazed how different your posts will come out. Even events are uninteresting. Get the thread back to ideas and the ideas should be how to make Sonar X2 work great for people like Bub and others that are not having such a good time of it. And if those people cannot get it working, well then it is time to move on with another DAW and stop wasting time on this forum. Stop hanging on, just move on! And Craig, I, (an others I am sure) am much more interested in what you have to say about techniques etc than people. You have probably said a little too much inappropriate stuff already. You are being drawn in. What we love about you is ideas, tips and techniques for great production. Get back to that. I love you for that stuff!  Thanks for that great article too on using the transpose features in Studio One in Sound on Sound a few months ago. I also enjoyed the midi seminar too at NAMM and all of the contributions from yourself and others was just fantastic. As you can see I am a bit of a midi maniac! Plus I was around then too when all that was happening. Took me back big time. (It was great to see Tom Oberheim and Dave Smith in the flesh too. I have been such a big Oberheim fan for many years and worshipped him a bit I think LOL! Yes I had 'The Oberheim System' and just getting that to work was a miracle. Owned and loved all the Sequential stuff too.)
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Re:Electronic Musician…
2013/02/17 22:28:12
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LOL this thread is starting to take on the biitchiness of YouTube comments..... I think it's about time the Cakewalk forum had an "arena" where discussions like this can be moved so that people can swipe at each other to their hearts content. Could be fun
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Re:Electronic Musician…
2013/02/17 22:42:15
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Jeff Evans
I don't necessarily agree with yorolpal in terms of other DAW's having issues. It is not the case. I have been using Studio One now for over two years and I could count the things I don't like about it on one tiny little hand. It is virtually faultless on my system here. The problem many Sonar users have is that because they have been using the program since day one they are afraid to really get into something else. And as a result they never really know how other DAW's are working out there. Only a few here can say they have.
Any software that causes crashes especially in a pressure income situation, looses work, looses hours, destroys reputations etc needs to be seriously reviewed. I can say that has never happened to me and if it did the program would be out the window quick smart. I have just finished a jingle and pushed my DAW real hard for four days now and not even a glitch. That is how it should be. The Sonar users that have their system working well would be OK in that situation but as many here are nowhere near a pressure situation you will never really find out how a program handles pressure. Believe me some do it well and others do not.
Look at my signature again people. While many (Craig included) are talking about people you are all of poor mind. A good habit is if you are about to say something about a person, STOP. Think no, I will do ideas instead. You will be amazed how different your posts will come out. Even events are uninteresting. Get the thread back to ideas and the ideas should be how to make Sonar X2 work great for people like Bub and others that are not having such a good time of it. And if those people cannot get it working, well then it is time to move on with another DAW and stop wasting time on this forum. Stop hanging on, just move on!
And Craig, I, (an others I am sure) am not that interested in what you have to say about other people. You have probably said a little too much inappropriate stuff already. It is simply not that professional. What we love about you is ideas, tips and techniques for great production. Get back to that. I love you for that stuff! Thanks for that great article too on using the transpose features in Studio One in Sound on Sound a few months ago. I also enjoyed the midi seminar too at NAMM and all of the contributions from yourself and others was just fantastic. As you can see I am a bit of a midi maniac! Plus I was around then too when all that was happening. Took me back big time.
I like your ideas about sticking to ideas but this thread was taking aim at the reputation of a man I admire. It was never about ideas. It was trying to cast doubt on the veracity of a very fine person. Further, it was clearly wrong. Everyone has a right to defend their good name. Some people like myself guard their name fiercely and will defend it to the end. I can certainly understand his need to respond and correct the record. I posted a rebuttal that disputed the conclusions being drawn from a statement taken out of context and out of time. Yet the response was attack after attack. Name calling and dismissal followed. Now you take Mr. Anderton to task simply for responding to a bunch of rabble rousers that intend to bash Sonar and anyone that defends it. Personally, I think its great that he takes the time to be here and support this forum. I want to encourage that with all our esteemed members. And yes he is esteemed for all that he has done for each of us. And for being a really nice guy. I think that of Jim and Scott too. We are blessed to have them. People have taken shots and all of them. It could be because they are liked and successful. The petty fights coming from petty people for whatever reason needs to stop. This forum is here to serve us and we should take better care of it. I object to your post for being aimed at the wrong persons.
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Re:Electronic Musician…
2013/02/17 23:25:16
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Hi... Sorry I've turned up late.... So what's the score so far? Who is winning?
Oh well back to my DAW then which has only crashed once since X2A came out. Guess it is a fluke.
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Re:Electronic Musician…
2013/02/17 23:35:05
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John
Everyone has a right to defend their good name. Some people like myself guard their name fiercely and will defend it to the end. I can certainly understand his need to respond and correct the record.
I posted a rebuttal that disputed the conclusions being drawn from a statement taken out of context and out of time. Yet the response was attack after attack. Name calling and dismissal followed.
Uh ... unless I'm mistaken ... post #4 is where the name calling and attacks started when you started calling people "trolls". You come off like you own this forum and are the peace keeper John, but Heaven forbid anyone goes against what you believe. Then they are "trolls and a few unsatisfied customer" as you prefer to call them. That's quite a few people you are laying that distinction on. I'd say you've probably done a lot more damage here than I ever could in a thousand more of my 'angry' posts. But ... like I said. It's all my fault. I'm the bad guy here for questioning anything that goes against your beliefs. Honestly, I would think Cakewalk would step in and say something to you about this. I understand that there's nothing wrong with people who like their software, I like their software, but there's a difference between someone that likes a product, and the things you do here John. It's really really out there. And your name? What name? Where do you work? Who do you write for? What have you produced? What music have you put out there for the whole world to hear like Craig Anderton has? I mean ... gee wiz, come on. There is no comparison between you and Craig Anderton ... so stop putting yourself on the same pedestal, there's a huge difference between Craig Anderton standing up for himself, and some guy that goes to great lengths to protect his identity on a public forum. There is no name for you to protect. LOL! You better take Jeff's advice, and think before you post, or take your own advice and just ignore us "trolls" because I'm certainly not going to curb my opinion because you throw a temper tantrum every time I post something ...
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