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RE: Free mixing template revised!
2006/11/22 11:10:10
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First one's free, little girl... Heard good things about this years ago, anxious to try it in Sonar 6. Cheers, Mate!! Daddy?!
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RE: Free mixing template revised!
2006/11/22 14:02:11
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Hey jsaras! First I would like to thank you for providing us with a free mixing template, this is awesome of you. I have a question though, so far I understand everything you did in the template except for the "Mix Right Bus", "Mix Left Bus" and the "Sub Bus"...what's their function? if you don't mind explaining that is . Thank you.
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RE: Free mixing template revised!
2006/11/22 20:08:33
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This may sound a bit like techno double talk...but it's not; Basically its function is to take a stereo signal and convert it to "dual mono". At the end of the day the mix will sound a touch wider/deeper. Some compressor plugins, like the UAD Fairchild and PSP MasterComp, have an "unlink" feature that will get you to the same place without the cryptic signal routing.
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RE: Free mixing template revised!
2006/11/22 20:17:52
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Many thanks... Wishing good health to you and yours. Mick
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RE: Free mixing template revised!
2006/11/22 20:21:06
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thank you but None of this is revolutionary, but it's nice to make the most out of what you have. the most? with your template alone? you almost got me
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RE: Free mixing template revised!
2006/11/22 21:34:00
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Thanks for the response jsaras. So that explains the reason why you have separate L+R mix buses, but I still don't understand the need of a sub-bus. Can you elaborate on this? I'm sorry if you've already answered all these questions. If you have, please send me the link where you explain everything about your template and I will be more than glad to read it. Thanks again.
post edited by Jose7822 - 2006/11/22 21:52:13
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jsaras
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RE: Free mixing template revised!
2006/11/22 21:57:33
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The sub-bus is what is splitting the original stereo signal into two independent mono signals...which are then routed to the Mix L and MixR buses. These are then recombined/routed to the master bus.
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Jose7822
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RE: Free mixing template revised!
2006/11/22 21:59:28
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ooooohhh, aaaaaahhhh . "I see, I see" said the blind man. Thank you and Happy Thanksgiving!
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RE: Free mixing template revised!
2007/01/02 08:34:21
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This thread deserves the occassional bumpification.
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RE: Free mixing template revised!
2007/01/02 09:10:06
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Awesome! Can't wait to try it out. Thanks so much, Jonas! Craig
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RE: Free mixing template revised!
2007/01/02 09:37:30
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Thanks. I missed this the first time around. The bump is appreciated.
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RE: Free mixing template revised!
2007/01/02 10:03:40
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AWESOME!!!!!!! This is what I was looking for in another post. Thanks a million!
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RE: Free mixing template revised!
2007/01/02 11:57:41
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super!!! everything is working great. i agree with putting together a schematic of the ins and outs. tom how do i give a bump? or whatever the praise is?
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Dave King
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RE: Free mixing template revised!
2008/01/13 11:09:36
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I've just recently downloaded and been experimenting with the JA Mixing Template. It's definitely a fine piece of work. Thanks Jonas! In the past, I've always set up my busses with effects and routed my individual tracks to them (as needed) and then sent the output of the busses to the Master. What is the advantage of using Sends (as in the JA Mixing Template) compared to the way I've doing it? Thanks!
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RE: Free mixing template revised!
2008/01/13 11:23:13
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What is the advantage of using Sends (as in the JA Mixing Template) compared to the way I've doing it? You can control how much of the signal you send to the effect. The way you are doing it, you send ALL of the signal to the effect, then use the effect's wet/dry control to control the ENTIRE level of effect on all the tracks you sent there. With sends, you set the effect to 100% wet, and send only as much of each track to the effect that you want. Its just a different way of doing it that offers greater control and flexibility.
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Dave King
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RE: Free mixing template revised!
2008/01/13 11:30:24
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OK. I understand. But either way, you can probably achieve the same (or similar) results. Correct?
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RE: Free mixing template revised!
2008/01/13 11:41:56
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Yes. But not really. Say you have 8 drum tracks. You want some reverb on them. So you send them to a bus "Drums", put a reverb you like on the bus, and set the level of the reverb. But what if you only wand a touch of reverb on the Kick, a lot on the snare, and a medium amount on the toms? With sends, you can choose how much of each track to send to the reverb. With your way, you would need multiple busses with multiple reverbs. Same if you had Rythm guitar you wanted a little delay on, and lead guitar you wanted gobs of delay. Just send less of the rhythm signal to the delay bus, and more of the lead. Technically, sure you can get the same sound doing it either way. But which is better on your system, 1 reverb that can get varying amounts from every track in your project to achieve a nice mix, or 7-10 reverbs to account for some tracks needing a lot, medium amounts, and very little.
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RE: Free mixing template revised!
2008/01/13 11:52:22
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ORIGINAL: jsaras Hi Gang! This is the day you've been waiting for! I have revised and expanded my free mixing template. There are more compressor settings, EQ settings, more reverbs, etc. It incorporates many of the effect settings that I've posted in this forum over the years as well as some ideas that I've borrowed (specifically, the stereo splitter routing). None of this is revolutionary, but it's nice to make the most out of what you have. You can download the template from my signature. Blessings, Jonas Hey Jonas..... I just downloaded the mixing template so for a 'bump' here I say thanks for posting this for all to benefit by.
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Dave King
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RE: Free mixing template revised!
2008/01/13 12:07:50
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Jinga, thanks for elaborating. This is interesting stuff and is likley to open a whole new approach to DAW mixing for me. I've used sends before in the hardware/analog world, but not so much in the DAW world. Thanks.
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RE: Free mixing template revised!
2008/01/13 12:35:20
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Thanks! Dissecting this will be a great Sonar learning tool for me. Cheers, Jef
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Dave King
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RE: Free mixing template revised!
2008/01/13 13:26:43
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I've looked, but been unable to find any extensive discussions about the Template here on the Forum. Are there any? Thanks.
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RE: Free mixing template revised!
2008/01/13 15:23:46
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Thanks Jonas. Nice template. From the EQ curves i see in the template, it seems you tend to use low/high shelf instead of high/low pass. Is there a reason for that or is it just your own personnal taste ?? Thanks again -Alxi-
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RE: Free mixing template revised!
2008/01/13 15:28:32
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One benefit to using sends is CPU usage reduction. One instance of a reverb can be used for numerous tracks. Another benefit is that by setting up several delay-based sends (reverbs, delays, chorus, etc.) you can have a single track sent to several of these sends at the same time, which can lead to a richer tone...or a bigger mess ;=). I'm glad someone is still getting use out of this creation. I need to do an update of this using the newer Sonar plugins and some other 'trick' signal configurations. Perhaps at the end of the month. J
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RE: Free mixing template revised!
2008/01/13 16:13:00
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Thanks so much for this Jonas - very good of you to share your expertise with us. Bob Wijntjes Auckland, New Zealand SONAR 6PE, Edirol UA-1000, Rode K2, Sampletank 2XL, EZDrummer, P4 3.0GHz ASUS, Dual 19" LCDs, a basement studio and so much work on that I need an extended holiday away from music!!
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RE: Free mixing template revised!
2008/01/14 10:35:53
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RE: Free mixing template revised!
2008/01/14 15:55:10
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ORIGINAL: alxi Thanks Jonas. Nice template. From the EQ curves i see in the template, it seems you tend to use low/high shelf instead of high/low pass. Is there a reason for that or is it just your own personnal taste ?? Thanks again -Alxi- Ok Jonas, so i guess that my question wasn't formulated correctly cause ...well.... i got no answer :) I know the difference between a lowshelf eq and a Highpass filter... my question in fact was... Is there a reason why you use a lowshelf as a highpass filter in your mixing template instead of using an actual highpass filter ? Thanks -Alxi-
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RE: Free mixing template revised!
2008/01/14 15:58:36
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ORIGINAL: jsaras I'm glad someone is still getting use out of this creation. I need to do an update of this using the newer Sonar plugins and some other 'trick' signal configurations. Perhaps at the end of the month. J Jonas, your template became the core of my default template from it's first iteration. Your settings are excellent starting points IMO. I , for one was and continue to be very grateful for you sharing this. Kudo's to you.
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RE: Free mixing template revised!
2008/01/14 16:25:59
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BIG UPS to ya JSARAS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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RE: Free mixing template revised!
2008/01/14 16:29:42
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consider it bumped. thanks again for all you do for the Sonar Community
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RE: Free mixing template revised!
2008/01/14 16:44:04
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Thank you Jonas - I use your template all the time.
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