I speed read this forum. Very quickly.
Then I go to other forums where they talk about music and recording.

Nothing personal to anyone here. This is a good place.
I just want to read about music and recording. That's all.

So, it's off to Techniques (and some other places).

See you in a week or so.

ORIGINAL: John

Happy Birthday Song. Have a good one on me.


Nice post BTW.

Thanks John

I'm having a fantastic day! In fact this year is going great :)

Got a new LCD monitor and a very nice large executive style desk, it's the perfect size for my studio.

The reason why most users prefer not to use their real name (especially their full name) is for privacy reasons and also for security reasons regarding identity thief and risk to online scams.

It goes further then that. There are way too many crazy people out and about. It is only prudent not to let the whole world know all about you. Giving a full name will allow them to do all sorts of nasty things to you. Too much knowledge is a dangerous thing. LOL

Songcraft, you are the man, and "a man". I wish some of the whiners were more like you...

Somebody mentioned anonymity. I want to say that not everybody who wants (or in my case, needs) to be anonymous has some malicious or nefarious plan.

I wish to remain anonymous for my own safety, having been threatened and stalked in the past (online by a stranger once, and offline by somebody with an obsessive interest).

I also have somewhat legal/copyright reasons for keeping mum about certain details. Not really a big deal, and maybe I am making it to be more than it really is. But I have to be cautious, just for my own peace of mind, and if it's safer for me this way, well that's fine too. There's already too many people in the world that are "letting it all hang out."

I know Papa was offended by my obliqueness, and made some terse comments to me and to another couple of other new entrants here. At first, I thought he was one of the short-tempered and/or mean ones, and I nearly used the "ignore" feature on him!

But then I decided to just give it time and see if he was a good guy. Too bad he's gone. But life goes on, and I have a lot to learn about Sonar!

ORIGINAL: mtech

The Other Problem is that if someone does tell a poster that they are off topic , you get flamed for telling him and all the Users tell you to chill out or ignore it.

Or they accuse you of being a self-appointed forum cop...

We come here for information, either giving or receiving not chatting about aour Dogs, Families, Hobbies etc

Not everybody is here for the same thing. I understand that, and I can live with that. I would prefer off topic things be few, and be properly tagged in the subject line as [OT]... or "O.T." or "Off Topic", or something rather obvious that will tell me that it's okay to not open it...

ORIGINAL: John

It would really help if you were to tell us just what thread you had in mind. Being vague isn't helping matters much.

John,

I'm sorry, but I honestly don't recall which thread. I wasn't looking for anything in particular at the time, and you know how it is here -- you scan the new subject-lines to find an interesting topic and start to read. And as I've already said, I'm not certain that particular thread was the "last straw" that sent him away, but I understand why it may have been.

There is a way here to find posts by username and if you're interested, you might search on his name and read the last few threads in which he participated.

Theres one in every Bar!

I've simply set up house in the General forum. Lot's more room to move around in there. I check in here maybe once a day, have a quick look at the headers and then leave.

I feel your pain there are always going to be someone out there that is just there to give people jab talk. This forum was created for us to help those who need help not Jabs! Stay with us some of us really care!

what i dont understand is why a lot of folks have always to bring this "family" thing here..i know that there are a lot of negative people here but all this complaining about "the good old times" here is a bit cheesy...whats up with you - looks like you wanna get an award for politness or conservativity - take a look at the rest of life - its a big dirty mess out there - there is more offensive, vulgar and violent content almost everywhere then here...so if you wanna retire from the forum just do it - someone else will take your place...and i dont want to offend anyone, by saying this - its just the way it is...some people here from the "old guard" here have a rather naive aproach - do you expect someone to respect you because you helped others before or just because you have been posting since whenever and you have 10000 posts? what does that mean ? actually just that you have plenty of time to waste...not that you are holy....
if you feel to help do it - if you are sick and tired then let it be - or you could also ignore the fllamers - why do you take all so personal?
this is just a forum not a billionair charity event - you got all sort of people here - and personally i am starting to get more turned off by all the "Goody Two Shoes" guys than by the easy going ones....you are at least as much wasting the time of those who just care about infos than the trolls...i even prefere a guy insulting me instead of one who starts to preach his personal values on a musician forum...
this is no computergame where you gain levels for doing things (as the stars might suggest) this is just a very small virtual extract of what an open discussion in a (probably) pub would generate....
i know its a bit cynical - but in a certain way the good ones and the bad ones are very similar - off topic - pathetic - agressive....
i read the thread of batman and today i have an other conclusion than yesterday...it was the "good" guys flaming him because of his name - and he didnt wanna accept it just because he is a "newbie"...and there you go -- with the old moralizeres telling him a lot of very subjective stuff...

i would handle it like this - answer or not - but dont make whining threads about you forum life going down the drain....its your choice to read all those things - and as long there is freedom of speech ... well ... whatever...

maybe papa could rethink his decision because surely he is a good person - but dont expect to many people crying for his leaving...and since i like writing in this forum i posted my opinion - if many wont share it - thats pretty ok - i will turn off the laptop and feel fresh tomorrow - because fortunately my emotions are more involved in real life things than here

cheers

Conservativity theorem
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In mathematical logic, the conservativity theorem states the following: Suppose that a closed formula


is a theorem of a first-order theory T. Let T1 be a theory obtained from T by extending its language with new constants


and adding a new axiom
.

Then T1 is a conservative extension of T, which means that the theory T1 has the same set of theorems in the original language (i.e., without constants ) as the theory T.

In a more general setting, the conservativity theorem is formulated for extensions of a first-order theory by introducing a new functional symbol:
Suppose that a closed formula is a theorem of a first-order theory T, where we denote . Let T1 be a theory obtained from T by extending its language with new functional symbol (of arity n) and adding a new axiom . Then T1 is a conservative extension of T, i.e. the theories T and T1 prove the same theorems not involving the functional symbol ).

ok it should be "Conservatism" but i think that for a non english guy i can express myself pretty well in this language...

we could also talk in grman or italian if you prefere :-)

cheers

ORIGINAL: papa2004

http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.asp?m=1340879

Not the sole reason, but one of many. This forum should not be a stepping stone to "how do I make it work?". Making it "work" requires a little effort and homework on the part of those who think Sonar is going to make them a "star". Why anyone in their right mind would spend $600 on software when they have no idea how to begin using it is beyond me.

I'm old & I'm tired. I'm no longer willing to google your soundcard's spec's and give you a detailed reason why the basic tasks of Sonar (or any other DAW) aren't working for you.

I'm tired of all the bickering and insults, and I'm tired of the ridiculous ramblings that are supposed to be of some help. I don't mind OT threads, but I do have a problem with threads that are titled "What Is The Best...?" That serves no purpose! It's an opinion, but it doesn't mean it's right!

The trolls and pirates have taken a toll on these forums. Now is the time for CW to step in and start cleaning things up.

Hi Papa2004

Good to see you :)

I can totally relate and understand what you're saying! I know the importance of having a good search function and at times it does go off-line (fails). Also, I agree this is suppose to be a technical support forum and sadly I have noticed this site is being taken over by Trolls, (troublemakers) and I suspect a lot of members here are using pirated software. I have already reported incidents to Cakewalk and I ask you, John and others to support my goal to weed out the Trolls and pirate software users.

Thanks!

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We could talk in Venusian too. It would be just as senseless. I speak American English and only that passably.

I am sorry that you are the one that is going be singled out for the following rant. You were in the wrong place at the wrong time and said the wrong thing.


some people here from the "old guard" here have a rather naive approach - do you expect someone to respect you because you helped others before or just because you have been posting since whenever and you have 10000 posts? what does that mean ? actually just that you have plenty of time to waste...not that you are holy....

Check my join date. I came here when it started. I was in the old Newsgroup before that.

This may have no meaning to you but it has to me. I have seen many come and go. I am still here. Still standing. I have a body of work that I am proud of. I have based my postings on quality and accuracy.
I have striven to contribute to this forum the best possible information I can. I have answered countless posts. Given lots of advice. Advice that I believe is the best I could muster. I have done the best that I could for a very long time. You look at that and belittle it. You stand there and bemoan the fact I have been doing this for years. To you that is meaningless and has no value.

You who joined last year find fault with me for doing my best to contribute as much as I can so you could come in here and do a search and find a post I may have answered. Did it help you with your issue?

You may think it is just fine to belittle what I have given over the years. You may feel that we are all equal here. In a way we are but if ones work means anything at all then that can't be completely true.
I don't ask for anything. I don't want you to have any particular view on me or any other long term member except I ask you to not attack us for holding the fort all these years so you could waltz in and insult us for doing so.

I am getting very tired of the new people feeling it is just fine to belittle the work and time the older members have put in.

We welcome all of you. We thrive on new members. This forum would die if it were not for a constant renewal of the membership. That in no way gives the new members the right to bash, attack or otherwise take liberties with anyone here. To bash those that have been here giving of themselves for a very long time seems both ungrateful and shortsighted.

It is fine to have an objection to a post I may make. It is fine to correct it if needed. I welcome correction. To me the worst thing that can be done is give incorrect information. I count on the entire forum to double check all posts for accuracy. What is not acceptable is finding fault for a view point.
Attacking to cause trouble. None of which is beneficial to the forum or to good order.

I have been enjoying most of your posts. As a rule you seem to be on top of things. Now we have come to logger heads and I a sorry you have to be the one that is getting this post. It really is not meant to you alone it is meant to all those that seem intent on spoiling the record of very dedicated members.