ORIGINAL: DaneStewart

robby.....

YOU CRACK ME UP!!!!!

It's that durned avatar baby......goes so perfectly with the one-liners.........POW!

There are a lot of things that can turn criminal. Hacking and causing damage is a crime. Threatening can also turn criminal. Inciting violence is criminal. There also are particular net federal laws that can come into play in the right circumstances.

Identity theft is a crime. Certain kinds of solicitation is criminal. To know all the issues involved one needs a lawyer to advise here.

The net is not as free for all as some people think.

ORIGINAL: RockStringBender

I get a LOT of helpful info here as a lurker and I must say that the overall feel and mood of this place is both typical of an open forum and MUCH more informative and way less OT than most.

This place is a good thing (believe me, from an "outsider's" viewpoint you heavy posters have a good... no great thing going). Blowing up after plugging away for quite some time and seeing the same ****e questions posted over and over and the common rash of OT threads that occur from time to time is also understandable.

I'm not jumping in for any other reason than to attempt to point out the good stuff. I'll mind my biz, promise.


But... I have a question about something I'm reading here.........


How do the POLICE get involved in internet forum stuff and what law's get broken that can be enforced by a policeman? Is the references to "reporting" to the cops a metaphor for the moderators? If you cuss and **** and call people names, who do you send the URL and internet info to to get someone arrested? And if you do, what crime(s) did they commit?

I'm confused on the "legal" "criminal" talk. Can someone slide me a clue?

PS- Papa- us toiling lurkers who DO read the manuals really need all the tips and tricks that the old-timers provide. Please keep dispensing wisdom and advice, and an occasional OT comment :)

Peace, Bob

If you were a policeman and someone sent you an 'urgent' email saying that they had been 'insulted' in an internet forum what would you do?

ORIGINAL: flinger

ORIGINAL: RockStringBender

I get a LOT of helpful info here as a lurker and I must say that the overall feel and mood of this place is both typical of an open forum and MUCH more informative and way less OT than most.

This place is a good thing (believe me, from an "outsider's" viewpoint you heavy posters have a good... no great thing going). Blowing up after plugging away for quite some time and seeing the same ****e questions posted over and over and the common rash of OT threads that occur from time to time is also understandable.

I'm not jumping in for any other reason than to attempt to point out the good stuff. I'll mind my biz, promise.


But... I have a question about something I'm reading here.........


How do the POLICE get involved in internet forum stuff and what law's get broken that can be enforced by a policeman? Is the references to "reporting" to the cops a metaphor for the moderators? If you cuss and **** and call people names, who do you send the URL and internet info to to get someone arrested? And if you do, what crime(s) did they commit?

I'm confused on the "legal" "criminal" talk. Can someone slide me a clue?

PS- Papa- us toiling lurkers who DO read the manuals really need all the tips and tricks that the old-timers provide. Please keep dispensing wisdom and advice, and an occasional OT comment :)

Peace, Bob

If you were a policeman and someone sent you an 'urgent' email saying that they had been 'insulted' in an internet forum what would you do?

UMMmmmmmm.......... eat another donut, use the email to pass a few minutes of laughter with my comrades, and then get ready to hit the streets and lay my ass on the line one more night for the mortgage and the kid's pencils and crayons???


I guess I wasn't confused after all. just saw some posts that seemed real real serious, like "hey man.... I know Karate".

ORIGINAL: RockStringBender

I get a LOT of helpful info here as a lurker and I must say that the overall feel and mood of this place is both typical of an open forum and MUCH more informative and way less OT than most.

This place is a good thing (believe me, from an "outsider's" viewpoint you heavy posters have a good... no great thing going). Blowing up after plugging away for quite some time and seeing the same ****e questions posted over and over and the common rash of OT threads that occur from time to time is also understandable.

I'm not jumping in for any other reason than to attempt to point out the good stuff. I'll mind my biz, promise.


But... I have a question about something I'm reading here.........


How do the POLICE get involved in internet forum stuff and what law's get broken that can be enforced by a policeman? Is the references to "reporting" to the cops a metaphor for the moderators? If you cuss and **** and call people names, who do you send the URL and internet info to to get someone arrested? And if you do, what crime(s) did they commit?

I'm confused on the "legal" "criminal" talk. Can someone slide me a clue?

PS- Papa- us toiling lurkers who DO read the manuals really need all the tips and tricks that the old-timers provide. Please keep dispensing wisdom and advice, and an occasional OT comment :)

Peace, Bob

I'm looking at this and wondering......... I was the only one who used Police in his post. Then I realized that maybe some guy is looking in a dictionary reading the definition for Police (looked myself via google), and was concluding that I was justifing a means via force. WOW! I couldn't of meant anything so stupid! I've concluded that a big problem is a failure to comunicate! A simple phrase, or slang, can cause some very deep hurt. Being a deep person sometimes, wouldn't it be a shame if we all blew ourselves up due to a fail to comunicate?

ORIGINAL: SteveJL

I don't think he was referring to your posts

Nevermind.

The same laws apply in the virtual world as they do in the physical, like John says, such as threatening and harassing, stalking. The HUGE difference is making a case that would warrant the justificatoin of the costs of an actual investigation, etc. Just saying that you are being threatened, harassed or stalked does not necessarily make it so in the eyes of the lawmakers. In law enforcement, a whole new field has opened up for investigating crimes in the virtual world.

All these threats of litigation and suing people make me laugh. I would love to see someone on another continent get sued by a resident of the USA. What would you do? Apply for extradition to get them to stand trial in the USA for calling someone a name? Ha Ha. I think the USA is overly litigious And just for the record I have nothing against the USA or it's citizens it's just that sometimes people get so serious and threaten legal action without realising how dumb it sounds if you take a step back, it's a joke.

Hey! Just thought I'd drop an excerpt from CW TOS which mentions the fact that this is a public place and discourages any sort of offensive behavior including harassment and any other criminal offense. Anyway, here is that excerpt. . . . .

ORIGINAL: Cakewalk Forum Terms of Service Agreement:

These are public forums and we ask that you behave as you would if you were in a public place. These issues are left to the discretion of the moderator, but may include any material that is knowingly false or defamatory, misleading, inaccurate, abusive, vulgar, hateful, harassing, obscene, profane, sexually oriented, threatening, invasive of a person's privacy, that otherwise violates any law, or that encourages conduct constituting a criminal offense.

Did ya know a lot of sites where people congregate (such as Forums and Chatrooms) are being visited by the police (either on duty or off-duty), I'm not saying they're visiting this site, but ya never know. Besides, there are some police officers that uses SONAR too

I guess the reason why this sort of discussion has been raised is due to the nature of this thread, being OT and all I'm surprised it hasn't been locked yet, but you can bet CW is watching this thread.

Have a great day everyone! And for crying out loud, behave yourselves

ORIGINAL: SteveJL

Police on the SONAR forum.........that is AWESOME......wait, not THE Police, but the guys in blue. Well, with all the Criminal activity here, I guess it was just a matter of time!


Thank you for that, that will have me chuckling all day........Police on the SONAR forum

What kind of USB soundcard would Sting use?

And Stewart; BFD or Session Drummer 2??


WSS

ORIGINAL: Black Pug Studios

ORIGINAL: RockStringBender

I get a LOT of helpful info here as a lurker and I must say that the overall feel and mood of this place is both typical of an open forum and MUCH more informative and way less OT than most.

This place is a good thing (believe me, from an "outsider's" viewpoint you heavy posters have a good... no great thing going). Blowing up after plugging away for quite some time and seeing the same ****e questions posted over and over and the common rash of OT threads that occur from time to time is also understandable.

I'm not jumping in for any other reason than to attempt to point out the good stuff. I'll mind my biz, promise.


But... I have a question about something I'm reading here.........


How do the POLICE get involved in internet forum stuff and what law's get broken that can be enforced by a policeman? Is the references to "reporting" to the cops a metaphor for the moderators? If you cuss and **** and call people names, who do you send the URL and internet info to to get someone arrested? And if you do, what crime(s) did they commit?

I'm confused on the "legal" "criminal" talk. Can someone slide me a clue?

PS- Papa- us toiling lurkers who DO read the manuals really need all the tips and tricks that the old-timers provide. Please keep dispensing wisdom and advice, and an occasional OT comment :)

Peace, Bob

I'm looking at this and wondering......... I was the only one who used Police in his post. Then I realized that maybe some guy is looking in a dictionary reading the definition for Police (looked myself via google), and was concluding that I was justifing a means via force. WOW! I couldn't of meant anything so stupid! I've concluded that a big problem is a failure to comunicate! A simple phrase, or slang, can cause some very deep hurt. Being a deep person sometimes, wouldn't it be a shame if we all blew ourselves up due to a fail to comunicate?

Like SteveJL says, I don't think it was referring to you, I certainly took it to be referring to someone else.



If there are any normal people reading this thread, and other similar ones, please, please don't be put off from contributing and joining in with any topic you like.

99+% of people here are friendly and helpful. And even if there are a couple of grumpy people they are often helpful too, its just they're way of talking, don't take it personally.

The police, or cakewalk admins, aren't remotely interested in petty bickering on a single thread of a single subsection of a single forum.
So please lets stop this scaremongering and ridiculous escalation to forum nuclear war.

Some people need to look at their priorities in life, go for a walk in the fresh air, listen to the birds singing ....

Please, everyone, just try to pause and reflect for a second before either deliberately inflaming issues or reacting to either deliberate provocation or perceived insults. I know it can be difficult but please try as much as possible.

There is already too much negativity in the world, we can each try to do our bit to balance it with something positive.

Thankyou.

What planet do you live on where the Cops have the time or even the inclination to watch what a bunch of Musicians ramble on about in a Forum.

www.johnwaynesworld.com

Have Tried to Be Patient...

I've always wanted to try being doctor.


PS: Jinga cool story, hehe.

"CandyGram for Mongo!..."
"CandyGram for Mongo!..."

ORIGINAL: Desperate Dan

Did ya know a lot of sites where people congregate (such as Forums and Chatrooms) are being visited by the police (either on duty or off-duty), I'm not saying they're visiting this site, but ya never know. Besides, there are some police officers that uses SONAR too :joke icon:

What planet do you live on where the Cops have the time or even the inclination to watch what a bunch of Musicians ramble on about in a Forum. Your apparent Intimate Knowledge and authority of all things legal seems to be endless, and frankly more than mildly amusing. I Suppose you're going to get the CIA,FBI,NSA on to me now. I think Australia was probably relieved to see you go.

Whatever! That's just your opinion, and I find your comments offensive towards me yet I did nothing to provoke you, I posted my comment in general, not aimed at anyone here. Chill out man, you tend to dramatize by taking comments out of context.

You came into this thread as if you're Mr.Know it all, but sadly you're mistaken. My post was in regards to the TOS and in the TOS is mention about the law, and for that I get your rant reply.

Desperate Dan, you don't believe that some police officers use SONAR?


End Reply.

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My next post is in general regarding the following news excerpt. . . .


Excerpt News Article:

Second Mo. city passes law making Internet harassment a crime
Nov 27, 2007 - 11:10:42 CST
FLORISSANT, Mo. (AP) — More than a year after an eastern Missouri teenager killed herself because of mean messages she received over the Internet, a second St. Louis-area community has passed a law making online harassment a crime.

In regards to this news, anyone still feel like having a chuckle, a laugh? then go ahead and laugh because I'm NOT laughing!! Internet harassment does indeed occur and is problem that should be taken seriously. That particular inccident involved MySpace where the harassment occurred and as a result a young girl died (suicide).

Harassment - Meaning according to the dictionary:
> To disturb persistently; torment, as with troubles or cares; bother continually - Bother: to tease, to irritate, persistent interference with one's comfort or peace of mind.

[Reference: Dictionary.com]


The sad reality is, it's all too easy for cowards who think they're safe n hidden behind their computers can deliberately commit online offenses such as harassment and then laugh about it. They're only making themselves look pathetic because basically they're getting enjoyment out of causing trouble, by causing disruptions on a site. IMO if harassment was to occur here on this site that would be like disrespecting CW TOS, basically trashing CW site (forum)

Fact is, everybody leaves a footprint online such as 'IP number' which is basically a person's Internet ID number containing location, Internet service provider including other details auto-logged on the ISP database making it easy to trace a person.

If someone is being continually bothered after already given notice to the other person to 'not have any further contact with them' then yes it may be considered 'harassment', one of the reasons why sites such as this has a block and report feature is to help prevent issues such as this but sadly there will be abusive users who enjoy getting their cheap thrills.

The following is according to police advise given to me in regards to 'another site' where content (topics/comments) had been removed, a phone call, content sighted, it was confirmed that a group of people had violated my rights and also in regards to slanderous comments, ((I'm explaining an incident about another site (forum), far worse incidents than what I've seen occur here on this site)). What surprised me was, I had just earlier contacted the site's webhost explaining my intentions and before the court order was issued action was already taken. A very quick response and I was dealing with people in another country (UK), yet the site was hosted in the USA. That site, that group of people did not get sued, that was not my intention at all.

The point is, if people violate the law on the Internet then of course there is the right way of resolving the issue without having to sue anyone but of course it depends on the case. Often a lot of cases can be settled out of court. In fact, just recently (last Wed) another incident where I attended court 7:30.am in regards to false claims involving a financial dispute but they failed miserably because I had the necessary documents to squash that case to smithereens, I had to sit in that courtroom for what seemed like forever, one hour later I found out the case had been dismissed just the day before, too short a notice for me to get that letter 'Motion and Order for Dismissal' but I walked out of that court room with a big grin LOL!!

.

Whatever! That's just your opinion, and I find your comments offensive towards me yet I did nothing to provoke you, I posted my comment in general, not aimed at anyone here. Chill out man, you tend to dramatize by taking comments out of context.

You came into this thread as if you're Mr.Know it all, but sadly you're mistaken. My post was in regards to the TOS and in the TOS is mention about the law, and for that I get your rant reply.

Desperate Dan, you don't believe that some police officers use SONAR?


End Reply.

____________________________________________


My next post is in general regarding the following news excerpt. . . .


Excerpt News Article:

Second Mo. city passes law making Internet harassment a crime
Nov 27, 2007 - 11:10:42 CST
FLORISSANT, Mo. (AP) — More than a year after an eastern Missouri teenager killed herself because of mean messages she received over the Internet, a second St. Louis-area community has passed a law making online harassment a crime.

In regards to this news, anyone still feel like having a chuckle, a laugh? then go ahead and laugh because I'm NOT laughing!! Internet harassment does indeed occur and is problem that should be taken seriously. That particular inccident involved MySpace where the harassment occurred and as a result a young girl died (suicide).

Harassment - Meaning according to the dictionary:
> To disturb persistently; torment, as with troubles or cares; bother continually - Bother: to tease, to irritate, persistent interference with one's comfort or peace of mind.

[Reference: Dictionary.com]


The sad reality is, it's all too easy for cowards who think they're safe n hidden behind their computers can deliberately commit online offenses such as harassment and then laugh about it. They're only making themselves look pathetic because basically they're getting enjoyment out of causing trouble, by causing disruptions on a site. IMO if harassment was to occur here on this site that would be like disrespecting CW TOS, basically trashing CW site (forum)

Fact is, everybody leaves a footprint online such as 'IP number' which is basically a person's Internet ID number containing location, Internet service provider including other details auto-logged on the ISP database making it easy to trace a person.

If someone is being continually bothered after already given notice to the other person to 'not have any further contact with them' then yes it may be considered 'harassment', one of the reasons why sites such as this has a block and report feature is to help prevent issues such as this but sadly there will be abusive users who enjoy getting their cheap thrills.

The following is according to police advise given to me in regards to 'another site' where content (topics/comments) had been removed, a phone call, content sighted, it was confirmed that a group of people had violated my rights and also in regards to slanderous comments, ((I'm explaining an incident about another site (forum), far worse incidents than what I've seen occur here on this site)). What surprised me was, I had just earlier contacted the site's webhost explaining my intentions and before the court order was issued action was already taken. A very quick response and I was dealing with people in another country (UK), yet the site was hosted in the USA. That site, that group of people did not get sued, that was not my intention at all.

The point is, if people violate the law on the Internet then of course there is the right way of resolving the issue without having to sue anyone but of course it depends on the case. Often a lot of cases can be settled out of court. In fact, just recently (last Wed) another incident where I attended court 7:30.am in regards to false claims involving a financial dispute but they failed miserably because I had the necessary documents to squash that case to smithereens, I had to sit in that courtroom for what seemed like forever, one hour later I found out the case had been dismissed just the day before, too short a notice for me to get that letter 'Motion and Order for Dismissal' but I walked out of that court room with a big grin LOL!!

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I didn't think it was possible find someone more long-winded than John.