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Re: Hello from BandLab 2018/02/26 20:10:19 (permalink)
I'll chime in as well and say I'm very glad that Cakewalk and Sonar are being saved. Although I'm happy with my new tools I still feel and hope a for a better future for Sonar. I hope this will be a good place for the new development staff to look at the competition and take some of the better elements of other DAWs and bring them into Sonar in one for or another.

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Re: Hello from BandLab 2018/02/26 20:27:14 (permalink)
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I'm sure they're working on an email blast. I would expect them to push notifications to SONAR, as well, and perhaps make use of the Discover tab on the Start Screen.

I'll need to keep a closer eye on that Discover tab. I'm afraid I've gotten used to zipping right past it.

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Re: Hello from BandLab 2018/02/26 20:27:53 (permalink)
Regarding staff view/notation: I use staff view heavily, and there is one thing that is a must for any such feature, whether an improved staff view or integration with another product: navigation and selection MUST allow for "infinite" scrolling and selecting in the vertical and horizontal planes. I tried Cubase, and was shocked to discover that I could only select notes in the bars showing in the current view. Unlike Sonar, once you get to the right edge, you stop. you cannot select notes or measures beyond that. You can bet I will be watching closely any discussions of notation, and advocating my head off about this. Sonar's staff view is primarily and editing tool. It works for musicians who read music and especially classical or film composers who do orchestration. If the new staff view is an attempt at integrating true notation with a DAW, they will be in for a lot of trouble. no one has been able to do this yet. Just fix the flaws in staff view (see other threads on this for details). Don't try to square the circle.

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Re: Hello from BandLab 2018/02/26 20:43:11 (permalink)
This is great news...I wish you the best of luck!!!
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Re: Hello from BandLab 2018/02/26 21:46:14 (permalink)
i am glad someone has recued sonar i have try many dawns however nothing comes close sonar long time user thanks meng 
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Re: Hello from BandLab 2018/02/26 21:58:47 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby deswind 2018/02/27 04:48:34
As a user of Cakewalk since 2.0, I'm another who's happy not to have to figure out how to migrate/throw away/relearn to use another product. 30 years of projects is a lot of stuff. Thanks for taking it on.
For myself, doesn't matter to me if you change the name, and charge for the next release. Sure, I paid for lifetime updates - but if you don't make money I'm back to figuring out what my next DAW is. I'd like to continue with the product until I die (figure 25 years) so make sure your market strategy is good for that long 
Mix and match the products code, implement forward thinking features, your future user base will expect it. But please keep the current core of a studio capable DAW intact in some version of the future product.
Lastly, because some of us feel this way, I'll pay $200 for a all new whiz bang 'new and improved'. I'll pay $400 for a rock solid product with the feature set as it is now.
PS. I'll give an extra $100 for a VST version of the TTS1. Very utilitarian plugin, but still something unique to Sonar I have a use for. Currently crashes Sonar constantly. If Roland can charge $150 for a software Sound Canvas...just sayin'
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Re: Hello from BandLab 2018/02/26 22:04:42 (permalink)
As a long time user of Sonar I am very pleased to see some company sees the value in this product. I stopped with Sonar X3 Producer as the subscription model did not sit well with me. I have had not one problem with X3 migrating to windows 10 and look forward to see what's next from Cakewalk and BandLab. Cheers to all!
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Re: Hello from BandLab 2018/02/26 23:16:16 (permalink)
Very happy to hear about this.  Started with C-lab notator in the early 90's, and tried pretty much every midi and daw since that time including Creamware T-dat, ProTools, Emagic Logic Audio, Cubase, Live, Reason, Samplitude, Guitar Tracks, Sonar, Studio One, Mixcraft, Adobe Audition, Tracktion, Sawstudio, Fruity Loops, you name it I've tried it and wasted money on it, nothing compares to Sonar for me.  It's all I've used for the past few years and I was just really enjoying all the bug fixes as a lifetime updates SPLAT subscriber.  Thought it was headed in the right direction and was shocked when Gibson closed the doors on it.  Congrats Meng you have a really good Daw that I'm sure you will make better.
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Re: Hello from BandLab 2018/02/27 00:12:20 (permalink)
I am very glad to hear this news. It's like hearing the house you grew up in isn't going to be demolished after all, but saved and renovated. 
Wonderful!
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Re: Hello from BandLab 2018/02/27 00:53:59 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby deswind 2018/02/27 06:27:18
SPLAT is powerful,hope not to be big change.
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Re: Hello from BandLab 2018/02/27 01:38:41 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby burgerproduction 2018/02/28 17:53:05
Well... This is fantastic news!
 
Noel has covered himself in glory with the way he has handled all of this throughout the process - maintaining professionalism, giving away only the slightest hints, and demonstrating a passion for the product, its user base, and the community it has built.
 
Gibson on the other hand - what were they thinking with the way they handled this?? It's as if they wanted to sabotage any possible future the product had. I shake my head in disbelief... They need a new PR department - stat. 
 
Great signs here from Meng - open, transparent, not over promising...
 
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Re: Hello from BandLab 2018/02/27 03:18:50 (permalink)
I know that many (including myself) were beginning to believe that Sonar really was consigned to the scrapheap of DAW's, never to be updated again. Sonar truly is a great DAW and it would be a shame to see it die as it leaves user's computers as they are slowly forced to migrate to new programs, and new forums. I'm really pleased to hear that it has been picked up AGAIN, and I hope Bandlab can make a real go of it. It heartens me to know that Noel is still involved somehow with the transition, I would like to think he will keep the concerns of long-time Cakewalk users in the minds of the new owners, and the path of Sonar straight and true (whatever that may mean).
I did read Bandlab's FAQ's and was not buoyed by the answer that the Company 'Cakewalk' was not purchased and "there is no recourse for any previous owners of Cakewalk software", although I'm hoping that's just an out and they will realise there is a wealth of opportunity to keeping those MANY users at the forefront of the software going forward.
I've spent a bit of time at the Bandlab site and like where they're coming from, their ideas do seem very up to date and their site is very socially orientated. I do think some of their users will really benefit from programs like Sonar, Z3ta, Rapture and the like, and hope the wealth of knowledge available in this forum can be used to their advantage as well.
It seems Meng is very hands on, much like Noel was at Cakewalk, and that is very heartening. I wish him and Bandlab the very best and look forward to where Sonar is heading in the future.
 

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Re: Hello from BandLab 2018/02/27 06:22:18 (permalink)
So when will the store be open again... And what will the 'upgrade' option to buy be like?
 
Or did I miss something?
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Re: Hello from BandLab 2018/02/27 06:23:18 (permalink)
Very good news thanks!
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Re: Hello from BandLab 2018/02/27 08:20:31 (permalink)
Am I Seeing Things OR Is that 22+K views on this post.....in approx 3 days .
Admittedly many of us were /are in disbelief and keep checking back for the 'Pinch Me' confirmation.
Nonetheless....Is Cakewalk experiencing some form of 'Bull Market'?
I hope so :)
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Re: Hello from BandLab 2018/02/27 10:34:09 (permalink)
Hello Meng
I have just bought Cakewalk Sonar Professional and will be installing it later today.
I have been using Home Studio 7XL which has been absolutely fantastic. I have composed many pieces of music 
over the last 9 years and it still works fine. My daughter composed all of her music for her BA Hons music course
and achieved a first class honours. I will continue to use Cakewalk and look forward to any future developments and upgrades. The product is so good, much more intuitive than any other software, I believe that Cakewalk has a bright future ahead.
 
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Re: Hello from BandLab 2018/02/27 10:53:00 (permalink)
Very Happy Sonar will continue on, this year is shaping up.

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Re: Hello from BandLab 2018/02/27 11:24:35 (permalink)
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What a community...! 

HEAR HEAR !!!!!
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Re: Hello from BandLab 2018/02/27 13:20:49 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby abacab 2018/02/27 13:42:27
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So when will the store be open again... And what will the 'upgrade' option to buy be like?
 
Or did I miss something?


You probably missed something.  Meng said in the OP that their intension is for all owners of Sonar (any version) to have a free of charge migration path to the new "Sonar by BandLab"  (or whatever it will be called).
I'm guessing the first version will be exactly the same as the current version but with all the branding and copyright notices, etc. changed, as that would be the most logical method for a seamless transition.

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Re: Hello from BandLab 2018/02/27 13:59:01 (permalink)
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I'm guessing the first version will be exactly the same as the current version but with all the branding and copyright notices, etc. changed, as that would be the most logical method for a seamless transition.



That sounds like a Magix move.  I'm hoping for more than that, but I'm not expecting any major new features (except collaboration/BandLab integration) in SONAR for a while.
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Re: Hello from BandLab 2018/02/27 14:01:12 (permalink)
Hi
Any Idea or a rough window to when we can expect a Bandlab release??
 
All the Best
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Re: Hello from BandLab 2018/02/27 14:10:19 (permalink)
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Karyn
I'm guessing the first version will be exactly the same as the current version but with all the branding and copyright notices, etc. changed, as that would be the most logical method for a seamless transition.



That sounds like a Magix move.  I'm hoping for more than that, but I'm not expecting any major new features (except collaboration/BandLab integration) in SONAR for a while.


I'm hoping for more than that as well, but it would be a logical step commercially as it "takes ownership" of what folk are currently using and would be a relatively quick release, leaving time to work on proper updates (and/or fixes) for the second release...
It would also serve as technology demonstrator for the authorisation servers and update procedures without the risk of leaving us with a "broken" install due to rushed updates...

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Re: Hello from BandLab 2018/02/27 14:13:36 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby FCCfirstclass 2018/02/27 16:10:41
Magix sure gets a lot of hate as well.  They've done excellent with the Vegas line and they are getting ready to release Acid 8 Pro which actually will (finally) have 64bit support.  Sony never had the intentions of doing this.  

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Re: Hello from BandLab 2018/02/27 14:22:26 (permalink)
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Regarding staff view/notation: I use staff view heavily, and there is one thing that is a must for any such feature, whether an improved staff view or integration with another product: navigation and selection MUST allow for "infinite" scrolling and selecting in the vertical and horizontal planes. I tried Cubase, and was shocked to discover that I could only select notes in the bars showing in the current view. Unlike Sonar, once you get to the right edge, you stop. you cannot select notes or measures beyond that. You can bet I will be watching closely any discussions of notation, and advocating my head off about this. Sonar's staff view is primarily and editing tool. It works for musicians who read music and especially classical or film composers who do orchestration. If the new staff view is an attempt at integrating true notation with a DAW, they will be in for a lot of trouble. no one has been able to do this yet. Just fix the flaws in staff view (see other threads on this for details). Don't try to square the circle.


Noel mention that as well as playing guitar, Meng studied classical music on the piano. This has given em the feeling that staff view will be valued. BandLab also have an Educational focus (WINNER: Best Classroom Technology at NAMM 2018), so I'd hope Sonar will hope t push int the educational market so anther reason to see a focus n staff view.
 
I haven't installed Overture yet to see how that scrolls, but I guessing they'd return to him if the deal he presented before was as well received by Cakewalk as he said. So I'd suspect it would run in similar ways, At least if overture does, voicing your opinion would be receiving a like minding reception from him.
 
 

 
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Re: Hello from BandLab 2018/02/27 14:37:33 (permalink)
Midiboy
Magix sure gets a lot of hate as well.  They've done excellent with the Vegas line and they are getting ready to release Acid 8 Pro which actually will (finally) have 64bit support.  Sony never had the intentions of doing this.  




No hate here. I bought the Samplitude X3 Suite, and posted it here on the forums.
 
Sound Forge Pro 12 is due in Spring, but it's been nearly 5 years waiting, so I hope you can understand the perception.
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Re: Hello from BandLab 2018/02/27 14:51:15 (permalink)
Will coffee mugs be available with the new logo/name?

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Re: Hello from BandLab 2018/02/27 14:51:55 (permalink)
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RajahP
So when will the store be open again... And what will the 'upgrade' option to buy be like?
 
Or did I miss something?


You probably missed something.  Meng said in the OP that their intension is for all owners of Sonar (any version) to have a free of charge migration path to the new "Sonar by BandLab"  (or whatever it will be called).
I'm guessing the first version will be exactly the same as the current version but with all the branding and copyright notices, etc. changed, as that would be the most logical method for a seamless transition.


Thanks Karyn, that is great news..
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Re: Hello from BandLab 2018/02/27 14:56:46 (permalink)
I'm thinking along the lines of the November update that never came plus maybe one or two more monthly
updates that were in the works for the rebranding. I'll see what BandLab has to offer. I was a lifetime member and I won't so easily turn my $$ over. No offense to Meng and company.  I wish them the best of luck and I hope they
entice me to $$.

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Re: Hello from BandLab 2018/02/27 15:02:57 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby FCCfirstclass 2018/02/27 16:12:43
BobF
Will coffee mugs be available with the new logo/name?




I'm accepting pre-orders. ;)
 

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Re: Hello from BandLab 2018/02/27 15:05:42 (permalink)
I wonder how much Noel would get for his Coffee Mug if he put it up for auction on EBAY

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