stratman70
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Re: Hello from BandLab
2018/03/05 03:49:25
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Well I for one do not care what the name is...Just happy it will live on and I can continue using it
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Re: Hello from BandLab
2018/03/05 04:06:05
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4. You do realize they would lock the VSTs to the DAW, right? Just like they did for Adaptive Limiter. If you want to use VSTs and then share projects with effects then you probably need to invest in 3rd party ones. You say you are willing to pay for licensing, well that is already an option then. I'm saying "don't do that". The more you make your product an island, the more you restrict it only to people with a boat. So don't do that. Some of us can only ride bikes or walk, if you get the analogy. Make your product friendly. This isn't that hard. As for buying a Gibson Guitar, complete waste of money. Look up Heritage Guitars and get something better, and made in the original Gibson factory. I will, thanks for the tip. I'll also look at PRS, Jackson Guitars, and many other "Les Paulesque" form factored models. That's the type I want, and I really like PRS. Actually, it's the the higher level "Paul Reed Smith" one I like (as opposed to their economical "PRS" ones), mostly due to the color combinations and the (as I perceive them) thinner, more contoured bodies. Of course, if I get a PRS (spelled out or not), then I won't need to buy a Gibson (or other) Les Paul. But come on; you're being a little over dramatic. A Gibson is not a waste of money, not even with the company on the ropes. ;)
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stevetrusty11
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Re: Hello from BandLab
2018/03/05 04:48:04
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First all. Thank you for what you are doing. Long time sonar user here. I’ve downloaded bandlab to my iPhone. I uploaded my song from iTunes. I’m still learning my way around. I uploaded a song mixed in splat and mastered in the box using izotope. I’m still understanding how this “collaborating” works with music I want to “expose”. For what it’s worth I provided a link. Please tell me what you think!? Thanks and sorry if this should be posted elsewhere. Just hoped others were downloading as well. Looking forward to what the future holds with both Sonar and bandlab. Loving the idea of being able to basically use a “handoff” feature to any platform via phone, desktop, tablet. https://www.bandlab.com/r...e811-80c3-00155d60d108
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Re: Hello from BandLab
2018/03/05 06:16:17
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As I think about it, Bandlab is as good a name as any. If that is the name of the new Sonar - it is fine with me.
The main thing is that I hope their new product will open up old Sonar bundle files and other files.
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jodysimkins
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Re: Hello from BandLab
2018/03/05 06:17:24
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Thanks for the rescue. I really appreciate the updates and look forward to the next iteration of a great product. I started with this DAW when it was still called Cakewalk, so I am not married to the Sonar name. I do admit to being fond of the SPLAT acronym.
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Re: Hello from BandLab
2018/03/05 06:20:38
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SandlinJohnI paid for Platinum once. Upfront. Not monthly. No Subscription. It was not and never was a subscription. If you paid monthly, that was your choice. Yes, of course you are correct; Sonar was never subscription-based. But with a new owner company coming onto the scene, I am just setting the expectation here. Because you know, EVERY company seems to be seduced by the sexy siren song of the word "subscriptions!" (insert pause to let the hypnotized follow up with "oohs" and "aaahs" and lots of bowing and genuflecting) I'm saying "don't do that!". Ever! 'Cause if you do, I'll just have to go out and write my own damned DAW! (Get off my lawn and don't make me come back there!) So there. I said it a third time. :)
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Re: Hello from BandLab
2018/03/05 07:19:14
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Westside Steve Simmons
I don't so much care about subscriptions. I don't have the Adobe suite but I do use Microsoft Office 360 and like it pretty well since it works fairly seamlessly on all my Microsoft Hardware.
I'd imagine one would need a fairly big cloud to do that with sonar or any Daw.
WSS
I have a version of Office through my work (home owner program, or home use program), but it costed a (very) nominal flat fee and is not subscription based. I'll admit that the consumer version of Office 360 is probably the least offensive out there, since it covers multiple computer installations and it also comes with some cloud storage. But even so, I'll still avoid Office 360 if I am forced into a subscription. I'd rather find an open source competitor for basic document, spreadsheet, and presentation tools. I'll pay for some subscriptions, but there has to be a good reason. Such as an online course subscription (I have a Jamplay sub now and I'm actually using it!), or home and car insurance, musicians' insurance, or concealed-carry insurance. I see it as a good return on value if insurance will help me not become homeless, destitute, or have to fight a legal suit while in jail. And in fact, my home insurance is going to help me pay for repairs to damage done by Hurricane Irma, and maybe not become homeless if we get another hurricane this year. But paying each month (or each year, whatever) to use my photo editing software, word processor, DAW software, a pay-to-play game, or to remove ads from Pandora? No way. I do generally avoid insurance and entertainment bundles, because I've done the math and I found that they're not really cheaper in the long run. And they make up for it by trapping us in bad bundle relationships for far longer than they should. Surprise! So there; I said it again. No subscriptions. Please. :)
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JoeOss
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Re: Hello from BandLab [Updated 3/3/2018]
2018/03/05 08:38:00
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Great news and thanks for the update.
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PhilipMikols
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Re: Hello from BandLab [Updated 3/3/2018]
2018/03/05 09:27:43
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Sounds Good! I switched to Studio One and while it is very impressive software it just doesn't have that hard to define magic that made SPlat, even with it's quirks and glitches, such a joy to use.
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Frank Harvey
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Re: Hello from BandLab
2018/03/05 11:27:55
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stevetrusty11
First all. Thank you for what you are doing. Long time sonar user here.
I’ve downloaded bandlab to my iPhone. I uploaded my song from iTunes. I’m still learning my way around.
I uploaded a song mixed in splat and mastered in the box using izotope. I’m still understanding how this “collaborating” works with music I want to “expose”.
For what it’s worth I provided a link. Please tell me what you think!? Thanks and sorry if this should be posted elsewhere. Just hoped others were downloading as well.
Looking forward to what the future holds with both Sonar and bandlab. Loving the idea of being able to basically use a “handoff” feature to any platform via phone, desktop, tablet.
https://www.bandlab.com/r...e811-80c3-00155d60d108
Listened twice ... COOL ....Quite a remarkable sound and production ... good luck with future work .
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Karyn
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Re: Hello from BandLab
2018/03/05 12:51:24
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☄ Helpfulby Zargg 2018/03/05 12:53:21
bwbalint
The subscription model is an absolute turn off for me.
As it is for a lot of people, which is why we fought so hard to stop people calling what we had a "subscription", it wasn't, it was a payment plan. There's a BIG difference. Why am I even bothering with this now? Because I'm sure a lot of people were put off at the thought of the "fake news" subscription, and now it's being brought up again and those same folk will see the word "subscription" and go elsewhere. Which is a shame. Please guys, stop talking about subscription, we never had it.
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Zargg
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Re: Hello from BandLab
2018/03/05 12:55:49
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I don't think those that call it a subscription want to stop calling it that, even if most of us knows that it never was one  
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Re: Hello from BandLab
2018/03/05 13:43:32
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☄ Helpfulby Zargg 2018/03/05 16:25:02
Yeah, I think a lot of the people who called it a subscription were doing so dishonestly. I think people who actually thought it was that were a minority (of people active in the forums). Why people do this kind of thing isn't at all clear to me, but I expect them to carry on doing it.
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Re: Hello from BandLab
2018/03/05 13:46:09
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I'd rather find an open source competitor for basic document, spreadsheet, and presentation tools.
https://www.libreoffice.org/
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Re: Hello from BandLab
2018/03/05 13:50:09
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Karyn
As it is for a lot of people, which is why we fought so hard to stop people calling what we had a "subscription", it wasn't, it was a payment plan. There's a BIG difference.
It was a subscription plan. If you didn't keep paying, you got no fixes or support. If you wanted to resume the subscription, you had to make catch-up payments. But I don't care what you want to call it. Makes no difference to me. If Bandlab comes up with a similar scheme (no matter what you try to call it), I'm not buying.
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Karyn
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Re: Hello from BandLab
2018/03/05 13:57:32
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☄ Helpfulby Zargg 2018/03/05 16:25:44
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Karyn
As it is for a lot of people, which is why we fought so hard to stop people calling what we had a "subscription", it wasn't, it was a payment plan. There's a BIG difference.
It was a subscription plan. If you didn't keep paying, you got no fixes or support. If you wanted to resume the subscription, you had to make catch-up payments.
But I don't care what you want to call it. Makes no difference to me. If Bandlab comes up with a similar scheme (no matter what you try to call it), I'm not buying.
And there we go... If you don't keep your car payments they take your car away.. that doesn't make it a subscription. You agreed a fixed price to own the software which you paid off in monthly instalments. Don't keep up the payments and they take it away. This is the last post on the subject. People are put off by subscription, we never had it. Further posts re subscription will be removed.
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Re: Hello from BandLab
2018/03/05 15:06:13
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I was hoping for eventual news like what has transpired over the last week or so. It appears our platform will be in good hands. The open communication and acknowledgement of user concerns is very encouraging.
Looking forward to seeing what's next, and feeling a bit more secure about continuing to create with an old friend that we've all enjoyed for years.
Kudos Meng and BandLab !
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Re: Hello from BandLab
2018/03/05 16:26:00
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cparmerlee
Karyn
As it is for a lot of people, which is why we fought so hard to stop people calling what we had a "subscription", it wasn't, it was a payment plan. There's a BIG difference.
It was a subscription plan. If you didn't keep paying, you got no fixes or support. If you wanted to resume the subscription, you had to make catch-up payments.
But I don't care what you want to call it. Makes no difference to me. If Bandlab comes up with a similar scheme (no matter what you try to call it), I'm not buying.
WRONG!!!!!!!
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Zargg
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Re: Hello from BandLab
2018/03/05 16:27:49
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☄ Helpfulby Just Another Bloke 2018/03/05 16:58:49
Karyn
cparmerlee
Karyn
As it is for a lot of people, which is why we fought so hard to stop people calling what we had a "subscription", it wasn't, it was a payment plan. There's a BIG difference.
It was a subscription plan. If you didn't keep paying, you got no fixes or support. If you wanted to resume the subscription, you had to make catch-up payments.
But I don't care what you want to call it. Makes no difference to me. If Bandlab comes up with a similar scheme (no matter what you try to call it), I'm not buying.
And there we go...
If you don't keep your car payments they take your car away.. that doesn't make it a subscription.
You agreed a fixed price to own the software which you paid off in monthly instalments. Don't keep up the payments and they take it away.
This is the last post on the subject. People are put off by subscription, we never had it.
Further posts re subscription will be removed.
Please do so, Karyn. Those peeps are plainly mistaken, and will NEVER admit it 
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Re: Hello from BandLab
2018/03/05 17:00:30
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probably too late now, but what did make it -ahem- similar to a subscription, was the 1 year thing (not including the lifetime updates) that then had to be renewed for another year, whether paid for in full in one go, or spread over a year.. this can be most clearly seen in the "season pass" thing on steam
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Zargg
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Re: Hello from BandLab
2018/03/05 17:04:12
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If I could pay off an expensive car in a year, would that make me the owner of that car or not?
Case closed (for me).
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Re: Hello from BandLab
2018/03/05 17:08:05
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☄ Helpfulby Zargg 2018/03/05 17:21:43
fair enough, i just think it 's easy to see how people are confused
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Westside Steve Simmons
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Re: Hello from BandLab
2018/03/05 17:08:25
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Maybe I'm missing something but I don't remember a payment plan. Seems like there was a new updated version and upgrade for current users every year which I happily purchased.
But if I didn't buy the upgrade I'm assuming the previous version was still operative.
WSS
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Re: Hello from BandLab
2018/03/05 17:12:11
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In hindsight (which is always a wonderful thing) the choice of 12 payments was probably wrong as it gave the impression that people were constantly paying... maybe 10 or even 6 would have been better. But the intention was to help those on a tight budget by making the repayments as cheap as possible.
ok, change of subject PLEASE.
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Re: Hello from BandLab
2018/03/05 17:26:35
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Karyn
In hindsight (which is always a wonderful thing) the choice of 12 payments was probably wrong as it gave the impression that people were constantly paying... maybe 10 or even 6 would have been better. But the intention was to help those on a tight budget by making the repayments as cheap as possible.
ok, change of subject PLEASE.
That was just the case for me, Karyn. At the time ,I couldn't afford the whole payment at once. When spread across 12 months, it was a no brainer for me.. I still own the license to use it as I please. What comes next, no one except the Bakers (I still call'em that), and BandLab knows.
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Re: Hello from BandLab
2018/03/05 17:36:12
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Zargg
cparmerlee
Karyn
As it is for a lot of people, which is why we fought so hard to stop people calling what we had a "subscription", it wasn't, it was a payment plan. There's a BIG difference.
It was a subscription plan. If you didn't keep paying, you got no fixes or support. If you wanted to resume the subscription, you had to make catch-up payments.
But I don't care what you want to call it. Makes no difference to me. If Bandlab comes up with a similar scheme (no matter what you try to call it), I'm not buying.
WRONG!!!!!!!
Shouldn't this post be removed?
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Re: Hello from BandLab
2018/03/05 17:37:24
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Zargg
Karyn
cparmerlee
Karyn
As it is for a lot of people, which is why we fought so hard to stop people calling what we had a "subscription", it wasn't, it was a payment plan. There's a BIG difference.
It was a subscription plan. If you didn't keep paying, you got no fixes or support. If you wanted to resume the subscription, you had to make catch-up payments.
But I don't care what you want to call it. Makes no difference to me. If Bandlab comes up with a similar scheme (no matter what you try to call it), I'm not buying.
And there we go...
If you don't keep your car payments they take your car away.. that doesn't make it a subscription.
You agreed a fixed price to own the software which you paid off in monthly instalments. Don't keep up the payments and they take it away.
This is the last post on the subject. People are put off by subscription, we never had it.
Further posts re subscription will be removed.
Please do so, Karyn.
Those peeps are plainly mistaken, and will NEVER admit it
And this one.
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Re: Hello from BandLab
2018/03/05 17:43:17
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paulo
Zargg
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Karyn
As it is for a lot of people, which is why we fought so hard to stop people calling what we had a "subscription", it wasn't, it was a payment plan. There's a BIG difference.
It was a subscription plan. If you didn't keep paying, you got no fixes or support. If you wanted to resume the subscription, you had to make catch-up payments.
But I don't care what you want to call it. Makes no difference to me. If Bandlab comes up with a similar scheme (no matter what you try to call it), I'm not buying.
WRONG!!!!!!!
Shouldn't this post be removed?
Why??? It's my opinion of your mistake, regarding subscriptions. I know you'll keep whining about it being a subscription, even if it's not, so I'll stop now. PS. I only noticed this post as you were quoting Karyn You're on my blocked list... And will still be there ,blocked, no matter where this adventure brings us. Tata
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Re: Hello from BandLab
2018/03/05 17:44:11
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☄ Helpfulby Gene Angel 2018/03/05 23:37:05
paulo
Zargg
Karyn
cparmerlee
Karyn
As it is for a lot of people, which is why we fought so hard to stop people calling what we had a "subscription", it wasn't, it was a payment plan. There's a BIG difference.
It was a subscription plan. If you didn't keep paying, you got no fixes or support. If you wanted to resume the subscription, you had to make catch-up payments.
But I don't care what you want to call it. Makes no difference to me. If Bandlab comes up with a similar scheme (no matter what you try to call it), I'm not buying.
And there we go...
If you don't keep your car payments they take your car away.. that doesn't make it a subscription.
You agreed a fixed price to own the software which you paid off in monthly instalments. Don't keep up the payments and they take it away.
This is the last post on the subject. People are put off by subscription, we never had it.
Further posts re subscription will be removed.
Please do so, Karyn.
Those peeps are plainly mistaken, and will NEVER admit it
And this one.
You know you're barking up a tree that's not there??????
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Re: Hello from BandLab
2018/03/05 17:48:48
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☄ Helpfulby Kamikaze 2018/03/05 23:58:53
Zargg
paulo
Zargg
cparmerlee
Karyn
As it is for a lot of people, which is why we fought so hard to stop people calling what we had a "subscription", it wasn't, it was a payment plan. There's a BIG difference.
It was a subscription plan. If you didn't keep paying, you got no fixes or support. If you wanted to resume the subscription, you had to make catch-up payments.
But I don't care what you want to call it. Makes no difference to me. If Bandlab comes up with a similar scheme (no matter what you try to call it), I'm not buying.
WRONG!!!!!!!
Shouldn't this post be removed?
Why???
It's my opinion of your mistake, regarding subscriptions.
I know you'll keep whining about it being a subscription, even if it's not, so I'll stop now.
PS. I only noticed this post as you were quoting Karyn You're on my blocked list... And will still be there ,blocked, no matter where this adventure brings us.
Tata
I'm not whining about anything. It was just said by a moderator that further posts about subscription would be removed, so I just wondered why it wasn't. That's all.
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