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HARDDRlVER

What is there not 'to get' when expecting to receive a package I paid for, just as anyone else's package. To deny a platinum lifetime the updates they paid for will actually make it worse on them than anyone else.
Whatever version you paid for, you expect to retain 100% of that package. Lifetime updates were part of the 100% of the package that was included in that version.
So because lifetime update purchasers chose to go balls out on their purchase...for some reason you think they don't deserve the same 100% of their package, as anyone else?!?!
L.U. purchasers jumped on the front of the wagon, but they're to be the only ones who actually get less than what they paid for?!?!

Just my two synths...

Lifetime updates were cancelled when Cakewalk was shut down by Gibson.  Those license agreements are with a dead company.
 
Any beef you have about updates needs to be taken up with Gibson.  Get in line with their creditors as they pick the bones ... 
 
The new owners of the former Cakewalk code owe nothing to former license holders.  They did not buy the company, or have any intent to continue conducting business as Cakewalk.  That is just the way things work when a company stops doing business.
 
Anything that BandLab offers to former customers for free is strictly as goodwill to retain customers, and is at their complete discretion and free will.

So you prefer that Bandlab gives you what you paid for, while those who paid for the extra mile be left out.
IMO a company that buys up another also bought up that company's promises.
L.U. is simply a different version than the several others.
Suppose Bandlab were to dig into any of the other versions and denied various inclusions of those versions? Would you have something to say, then? Pick any one 'benefit' that was added with your particular version, and have that denied to you now...
If they offer everyone EXCEPT L.U. purchasers exactly what they paid for then they'd single out one particular group.
What a way to start a new venture with a bad taste in so many mouths.
Those who grabbed the biggest prize will actually be THE ONLY ONES in this deal to be left with less than what they paid for.
It was mentioned that Bandlab could not survive if they were to honor the L.U.
Do you really think they'd leverage themselves so close to the bone when picking up Cakewalk that holding back L.U. was the ONLY way Bandlab would survive the purchase of Cakewalk?
The person who mentioned this, are you privy to this evidence?

'Make everyone happy...except those who shelled out the most...or rather, those who took the biggest risk.'

Hi Meng,

Thank you for seeing what's special about Sonar.
I purchased Sonar Platinum on Steam, so I hope you will be able to bring us steamers
when you're ready to launch your new flagship. It sounds like you have many great ideas ahead!

Will Z3TA+2 be a part of it? I wonder. :)
 
All the very best!

David from New Zealand.

I was really otimistic that Sonar would never die. I am super happy. Thank you so much!

Hello Meng,
 
You seem like a class act. Good luck and Thank you.
 
Rocky
 

vanceen
By the way, AAS is apparently no longer offering the unlock of Cakewalk versions. I waited too long.

Sorry to see that. FWIW, IMO the upgrades are well worth their pricing, even moreso if you come across the specials that come around occasionally.

Thank you and welcome aboard!   I was so happy to hear that our beloved DAW will survive and I can't wait to see what a fresh new company can do with it.

Anther Lifetime here, that is happy with what I received in the period lifetime upgrades ran.
 
Key features were, Midi Transform tool and ARA integration with the extract tempo map, these have been fantastic, and the Adaptive limiter and ripple editing are great too. I can't recall if the  Linear Phase EQ and Multiband were prier to LUs. The a stack of fixes and little tweaks.

Whew, I'm two weeks late to this. Longtime Cakewalk user, longtime forum lurker, got wind of the acquisition two weeks ago and actually didn't realize the Cakewalk forums had been up so I missed all this as it was going down; I got off the phone with BandLab yesterday which pointed me to this thread and spent a good amount of time reading through it.
 
Officially, our company had 'moved on' to Cubase while maintaining a SONAR installation for backwards compatibility with old client projects. In reality, we've been using a 2015 update and it never was an opportune moment to update despite lifetime just because of one big project or another and Cakewalk admittedly has been finicky in some versions so we adopted a 'if it's not broke don't fix it' mentality. So while the updates seemingly have stopped, they actually affected very little in the short term for us. Still, OS updates, especially on Windows 10 has always been a bit of a ticking time bomb in terms of compatibility, so the acquisition is great news.
 

Anderton

Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk]
I'm sure Meng will chime in but you can rest assured that SONAR is not going to be dumbed down. The addition of SONAR completes BandLab's ecosystem by adding professional desktop production to their mobile platform.

 
That's the way I see it too, particularly with SONAR being able to offer "the next step" for users who were raised on mobile. BandLab didn't have a next step before, but they do now 
 
 
I think what a lot of the "oldsters" may be forgetting is that they all started somewhere. Music has always been a discipline that not everyone is willing to learn - there are a lot of starter guitars and keyboards sitting in closets. But if those coming up can have a gratifying musical experience easily, it gives them the incentive to take it further.
 
I've known quite a few DJs who after DJing for a while started learning an instrument because they wanted to continue to evolve. It wouldn't surprise me if for some people, the mobile BandLab approach becomes the "gateway drug" to an eventual lifelong interest in pursuing music.
 

 
There's another whole facet of dichotomy to consider here.
 
In many of the sessions/panels I do about writing music for media, I always make it a point to note the difference between writing for an audience, and writing for a client. They're incredibly distinct into their requirements as well as efforts furthering one vs the other.
 
There are musicians who cater only to an audience, and that's all they do - everything from artists and old-school albums, to DJs and club gigs, to a YouTube personality - to a certain extent your $$$ is dependent on how your audience clicks with you.
 
Conversely, there are musicians who cater only to clients, and that's all they do - there are hundreds of apps released every day, all the way up to dozens of blockbuster video games, movies, TV series, advertisement, etc with a steady flow of music-related jobs. People can and do make a living out of catering solely to clients and they aren't really ever known to an audience, and that's perfectly fine.
 
Now, as I said, it's not that there is zero overlap between the two domains. Obviously, if you write for a big movie or video game and people look you up, you naturally build an audience. The converse is also true, having a fanbase increases your chances of landing gigs. There's also these really niche yet lucrative hybrid outfits like that of botique trailer music - companies who specialize in industry albums meant for trailer placements, and yet they build an audience and actively sell music to them.
 
Regardless, again as I said, the requirements for both are very different. The YouTube star doing video game covers gets to pick and choose what they want to do to for maximum audience interaction and really push their strengths. The media composer doesn't have that luxury to pick and choose, and needs versatility and flexibility to do e.g. everything a game soundtrack needs. The media composer doesn't need to always worry about a nonstop march of fan interaction and engagement, while the YouTube star does. Both need reliability and accountability in significantly different ways (and if it does eat into creative time/energy, someone else needs to step in to take over these tasks)
 
Now, where I'm going with all this, is that one type of musician thrives a lot more on engagement, collaboration and ease of getting ideas across to other musicians, interacting with fans, letting people know what's up, etc. while the other type of musician typically are bound by client Non-Disclosure Agreements and are working on projects start to finish basically as part of a contract to ship a product, and doesn't really need to care about any of the above and instead requires a much deeper set of tools, offline reliability, security, etc. which necessitates what professional DAWs have been providing for decades.
 
I'm pretty sure the guys at BandLab are completely aware of this difference, and aren't acquiring Cakewalk simply to turn it into a similar product as what they ALREADY have. At the same time, there's a lot of shared group and sharing knowledge and feature sets between these two domains that will make for two stronger, richer products targeted at fundamentally different types of musicians.
 
 

Great news, and a bright future for my favorite piece of software.  Sonar is dead!  Long live TDFKAS!

Is it just me or is anyone else pronouncing is tiddy-fakas in their head?

HARDDRlVER
So you prefer that Bandlab gives you what you paid for, while those who paid for the extra mile be left out.
IMO a company that buys up another also bought up that company's promises.
L.U. is simply a different version than the several others.
Suppose Bandlab were to dig into any of the other versions and denied various inclusions of those versions? Would you have something to say, then? Pick any one 'benefit' that was added with your particular version, and have that denied to you now...
If they offer everyone EXCEPT L.U. purchasers exactly what they paid for then they'd single out one particular group.
What a way to start a new venture with a bad taste in so many mouths.
Those who grabbed the biggest prize will actually be THE ONLY ONES in this deal to be left with less than what they paid for.
It was mentioned that Bandlab could not survive if they were to honor the L.U.
Do you really think they'd leverage themselves so close to the bone when picking up Cakewalk that holding back L.U. was the ONLY way Bandlab would survive the purchase of Cakewalk?
The person who mentioned this, are you privy to this evidence?

'Make everyone happy...except those who shelled out the most...or rather, those who took the biggest risk.'

For the last freaking time. What EXACTLY did you think was meant by "lifetime updates"? Free updates for the remainder of your life? Well, be sure to send us all a postcard from the land of Skittle-pooping unicorns!
 
When you bought into the "lifetime" offer, did you actually bother to read the terms and conditions? I'm guessing not. I didn't read them either, but then again I just assumed - quite rationally - that "lifetime" would mean "as long as the company is in existence." And I'm willing to bet hard cash that this is what the TOC quite clearly laid out. Buying into any such offer is clearly a risk to some degree. Ooo, will the company go bust or get closed down? Well, we all accepted that risk, and the "worst case scenario" came to pass. Hard luck for us! Whether or not BandLab honors Lifetime Updates is totally up to them. 
 

IMO a company that buys up another also bought up that company's promises.

 
There's those Skittle-pooping unicorns again! "IMO" does not and never will be accepted as an argument in a court of law, and in actual fact you're just plain wrong. 

sharke
pissa....seriously funny ****......im mjust sitting back laughing my tits off reading some of the comments in this forum........sharke----"For the last freaking time. What EXACTLY did you think was meant by "lifetime updates"? Free updates for the remainder of your life? Well, be sure to send us all a postcard from the land of Skittle-pooping unicorns!"....ahh ****......yeah meng, please keep the humanity of this forum in the moving forward thing!!!......debate and opinion is such an awsome part of this forum.......no other music software on this planet has a forum like this.....its ****ing awsome!!!!!!!
 

Great news! Sonar lives!