paulo

Zargg

paulo

Zargg

cparmerlee

Karyn
As it is for a lot of people,  which is why we fought so hard to stop people calling what we had a "subscription",  it wasn't, it was a payment plan.  There's a BIG difference.

It was a subscription plan.  If you didn't keep paying, you got no fixes or support.  If you wanted to resume the subscription, you had to make catch-up payments.
 
But I don't care what you want to call it.  Makes no difference to me.  If Bandlab comes up with a similar scheme (no matter what you try to call it), I'm not buying.

WRONG!!!!!!!

Shouldn't this post be removed?

Why???
It's my opinion of your mistake, regarding subscriptions.
I know you'll keep whining about it being a subscription, even if it's not, so I'll stop now.
PS. I only noticed this post as you were quoting Karyn You're on my blocked list... And will still be there ,blocked, no matter where this adventure brings us.
Tata

I'm not whining about anything. It was just said by a moderator that further posts about subscription would be removed, so I just wondered why it wasn't. That's all.
 
 
 
 
 

You were one of those pushing the "subscription" status all the way.
One of the reasons I've blocked you.
I answer, because I'm following this thread with excitement.
You make it less exciting

Zargg

paulo

Zargg

paulo

Zargg

cparmerlee

Karyn
As it is for a lot of people,  which is why we fought so hard to stop people calling what we had a "subscription",  it wasn't, it was a payment plan.  There's a BIG difference.

It was a subscription plan.  If you didn't keep paying, you got no fixes or support.  If you wanted to resume the subscription, you had to make catch-up payments.
 
But I don't care what you want to call it.  Makes no difference to me.  If Bandlab comes up with a similar scheme (no matter what you try to call it), I'm not buying.

WRONG!!!!!!!

Shouldn't this post be removed?

Why???
It's my opinion of your mistake, regarding subscriptions.
I know you'll keep whining about it being a subscription, even if it's not, so I'll stop now.
PS. I only noticed this post as you were quoting Karyn You're on my blocked list... And will still be there ,blocked, no matter where this adventure brings us.
Tata

I'm not whining about anything. It was just said by a moderator that further posts about subscription would be removed, so I just wondered why it wasn't. That's all.
 
 
 
 
 

You were one of those pushing the "subscription" status all the way.
One of the reasons I've blocked you.
I answer, because I'm following this thread with excitement.
You make it less exciting

Really? When was that then? I think you have the wrong person.
 
As for blocking - I think you may have confused me with someone who cares.
 
Funny though, I would have thought that you'd have developed a thicker skin being up there in the cold and that all the time. Oh well.....
 
Tell you what, I'll send you a self portrait so you can throw snowballs at me when you get angry. (No hiding rocks in them, ok? - I'm being a good sport here)
 
 
 
 

paulo

Zargg

paulo

Zargg

paulo

Zargg

cparmerlee

Karyn
As it is for a lot of people,  which is why we fought so hard to stop people calling what we had a "subscription",  it wasn't, it was a payment plan.  There's a BIG difference.

It was a subscription plan.  If you didn't keep paying, you got no fixes or support.  If you wanted to resume the subscription, you had to make catch-up payments.
 
But I don't care what you want to call it.  Makes no difference to me.  If Bandlab comes up with a similar scheme (no matter what you try to call it), I'm not buying.

WRONG!!!!!!!

Shouldn't this post be removed?

Why???
It's my opinion of your mistake, regarding subscriptions.
I know you'll keep whining about it being a subscription, even if it's not, so I'll stop now.
PS. I only noticed this post as you were quoting Karyn You're on my blocked list... And will still be there ,blocked, no matter where this adventure brings us.
Tata

I'm not whining about anything. It was just said by a moderator that further posts about subscription would be removed, so I just wondered why it wasn't. That's all.
 
 
 
 
 

You were one of those pushing the "subscription" status all the way.
One of the reasons I've blocked you.
I answer, because I'm following this thread with excitement.
You make it less exciting

Really? When was that then? I think you have the wrong person.
 
As for blocking - I think you may have confused me with someone who cares.
 
Funny though, I would have thought that you'd have developed a thicker skin being up there in the cold and that all the time. Oh well.....
 
Tell you what, I'll send you a self portrait so you can throw snowballs at me when you get angry. (No hiding rocks in them, ok? - I'm being a good sport here)
 
 
 
 

Nothing personal. '
I just don't want to spend more energy where it's not useful.
This was not the thread that made me block you. That was a long time ago.
 

Wookiee
Come on guys keep it on track, this is about Bandlab saying Hello not about how we paid for SONAR.

I concur. 
 
Meng - I apologise on behalf of our brother in the north who seems a little cranky today and for my part in not making allowances for the fact that he spends most of the year just trying to keep his nadgers warm. That's got to make a chap a bit testy and I should have know better than to engage with an angry man with a frozen gentleman's area.
 
Now stop reading all this nonsense and get back to making the new release happen.

Frank Harvey

stevetrusty11
First all. Thank you for what you are doing. Long time sonar user here.
I’ve downloaded bandlab to my iPhone. I uploaded my song from iTunes. I’m still learning my way around.
I uploaded a song mixed in splat and mastered in the box using izotope. I’m still understanding how this “collaborating” works with music I want to “expose”.
For what it’s worth I provided a link. Please tell me what you think!? Thanks and sorry if this should be posted elsewhere. Just hoped others were downloading as well.

Looking forward to what the future holds with both Sonar and bandlab. Loving the idea of being able to basically use a “handoff” feature to any platform via phone, desktop, tablet.

https://www.bandlab.com/r...e811-80c3-00155d60d108

Listened twice ... COOL ....Quite a remarkable sound and production ... good luck with future work .

I appreciate that a lot. One man show. It only took me close to 2 years (not full time) to finish and release my new album.
Thanks for taking the time to listen and the kind words! \m/

The fact that it's been suggested that there will be a free cross-grade option surely means that these users will be given a perpetual license. So perpetual license is at least going to be available, It's an indication at  least of what's going to available

meng
...
 
For the time being, we can all refer to it as TDDFKAS (The Desktop DAW Formerly Known As SONAR)  until we have a proper announcement about it.

This is wonderful news. I'm a bit late to the party on this one. I had pretty much given up, although I kept an eye on the petition count. As a customer I really look forward to seeing the release of TDDFKAS.
Much respect to the dedicated developers, passionate users here, and the new folks guiding us into the future at BandLab Technologies / Cakewalk.
 
(I also hope that the members here start to use the name TDDFKAS until the new name is fully released. Using the old name does not help with SEO going forward, and in such cases would mean removing complete threads like this one to give the new name a better chance in the future.)

GjB

meng
...
 
For the time being, we can all refer to it as TDDFKAS (The Desktop DAW Formerly Known As SONAR)  until we have a proper announcement about it.

This is wonderful news. I'm a bit late to the party on this one. I had pretty much given up, although I kept an eye on the petition count. As a customer I really look forward to seeing the release of TDDFKAS.
Much respect to the dedicated developers, passionate users here, and the new folks guiding us into the future at BandLab Technologies / Cakewalk.
 
(I also hope that the members here start to use the name TDDFKAS until the new name is fully released. Using the old name does not help with SEO going forward, and in such cases would mean removing complete threads like this one to give the new name a better chance in the future.)

But SONAR is so much easier to remember... 

Have to agree. BandLab stated we would get the new DAW first release whatever it might be in 4-6 weeks.
I'll just sit tight and see what they have for us and what direction Meng is taking the repackaged Sonar :)
 

cparmerlee

Kamikaze
The fact that it's been suggested that there will be a free cross-grade option surely means that these users will be given a perpetual license.

That sounds like a huge assumption to me, a giant leap of faith.  If Bandlab already knew the terms they would be offering, they might have made a more definite statement.  The gentleman said they will be offering a free crossgrade, but to my knowledge didn't say what that would include or how long it would be good for. 
 
IMHO, the only safe interpretation is that they will have a product that may or may not be 100% of what SPLAT was (probably lacking many of the bundled items)  and that paid-up users will get a free crossgrade for at least the first release of the product.  I'd caution against assuming any more than that.  Bandlab might do much more, but they might not.  We'll just have to wait.

 
Are you saying that you think that after crossgrading, you believe the product you have will no longer work after a period of time, say one year?

Kamikaze
Are you saying that you think that after crossgrading, you believe the product you have will no longer work after a period of time, say one year?

That depends on what you mean by "work".  If you are able to freeze the OS environment (say by using a virtual machine) and you don't care if any new devices or plug-ins work in the future, then the first Bandlab release should be able to work indefinitely.  But of course, you don't need Bandlab for that.  You have exactly the same situation today with SPLAT.
 
If you are expecting perpetual support and patches for free, I'm not sure that is what the gentleman meant to imply.  And frankly I would be very suspicious of any company promising that.  They need a business model that will work for them.  To Mr. Meng's credit, clearly he sees value in the existing user base and apparently is prepared to be generous in order to keep that base active.  I think that is wise.  What he may want to do beyond that is something we could speculate on, but I don't think it is good to attack others here who might be a bit more circumspect than you are.
 
Personally, I am quite interested in this new direction.  The world doesn't need yet another DAW.  A business model only makes sense to me if the "Bandlab DAW" evolves to embrace new market segments or categories.  This is what Ableton did with live performance and it was a good move for them.  Reading between the lines, it appears to me the vision for Bandlab might be to extend the DAW to make it more of a "songwriter's platform" so to speak, rather than a general purpose DAW.  That is the focus of some of the existing Bandlab assets, and one can easily see a synergy between those assets and a "back end DAW".  But I am just speculating.  I'm not making any purchase decisions based on such guesswork.  It will all be revealed in due course.  It could be very exciting, but not exactly what you and others have in mind, if you are just looking for the continuation of the "basic DAW" in the Cakewalk tradition.

I don't like the grabby multidock and the way the PRV and region effects insist on opening in it's small window that I have to fiddle with and undock before using.
 
 

burkek
Studio One, Reaper, Pro Tools, Ableton Live, Reason, Ardour, MuLab, Cubase, Tracktion, Digital Performer, Renoise: they all work on multiple platforms. Please, please, please make the new Sonar work on Mac (I know, probably not right out of the gate, but have a plan). That would be great 'cause I, for one, am not moving back to Windows.
 
KEv

I've tried the Mac; it isn't for me. However, I'm 100% with you that they should make a Mac version. And a Linux version. Oh, and a Windows version.