bapu

John

I feel like I am taking a risk posting anything positive about X1.

One does have to wonder about motivation in some of the Bapu and Mooch posts.

Fixed John.

Fixed Bapu and John 

The thing I trip off most.. is when i first started home recording in(1988) we never questioned the tools.. if something sounded like ****,  we'd tune up, tweak, AND JUST RE-RECORD THE PART..the tools are more consistent, than the individual..  

Thugonyx@aol.com


What about this factor: Changing the look  Sonar X1 is cool..but omitting things that made Sonar unique...having to fuss with the snap to button every five seconds...dealing with the ugliness of the new console view, having to totally eliminate the Native Instruments Guitar Rig 3 and 4, the Cakewalk Sound Center, and Rapture LE  (at the suggestion of the Sonar Tech mind you)...vst's crashing like Kamikazes...all left me with a very sick feeling in my gut!
This was hardly the Sonar of old. Then reading that the original designer of the software, Greg Hendershott had left ....left me speculating that things in the kitchen had changed drastically! Had he been there for this new design..don't you think this release would have been more complete? This is sure something to think about as far as any long time Cakewalk user is concerned. I mean really....adding the S1 drums when you already have Session Drummer 3? Cmon..I mean really..somebody missed the whole  boat! Never mind the fish!!!!

















Everything you said has been said before, many, many, many many ,many times by may many many many many people. Did I mention many many many, many many times?

I think we get it about the GUI and the crashes and the view, et al..

I doubt beating the dead horse will resurrect it

Thugonyx@aol.com


X1 B.....please? And this time ....for our money...How about getting it right.
Nuff said. Now Just Do It...Dammit!




Peavey Studiomix Control Surface/ m7780n Dual Core 4 gig ram 1trb HD /Vista 32bit/Fantom XR, JV1080, Tascam DM3200, IF-FW/DMKII Sound Card, Boss Dr.Rhythm, Roland R-70, Boss Dr Groove, Yamaha HS80m

 That is pretty much a given come February....

at least X1b .. now AFA getting it "right".... we will see, boy will we see and hear ...


 So  what else you want to discuss new?

Talking about this reminds me of my old girl friend i miss her, you see i Lob'ster, but then i flound'er, no trout she ran off with some dude in his Carp!. I keep a Piketure of her in my walleye just for the Halibut! Know some times I swordfish feel like i octapus his face in!

chrisharbin


I feel so bad for the poor fish.......

Yeah, fish should not get into fistfights or baseball bat fights.  They are at a distinct disadvantage!

musicman100

 

I love that picture.  Well I hate it but it is a superb way of emphasizing your point!

Sonar crashed my computer, ate my dog, made my kids cry, and gave me a flat tire. But I'm still using it. Beat that.

LMAO

Yawn.

Well now.  I sympathize to some degree with OP's sentiment, that there has been a proliferation of posts which have no other point but to complain in a way that isn't really constructive.  It wasn't accurate, however, to say that it's all newbs who seem to be having a problem.  There's a substantial number of seasoned Cakewalk/Sonar users who also have problems with X1, and have complained just as loudly about it all as the newbs.

There was and still is the Shock Factor - being presented with a substantially different program, rather than the much-awaited and long hoped-for improvement (bug fixed) Sonar.  So a percentage of outrage has been over the unpleasant surprise that a new program had to be learned.

There are the legitimate criticisms of what X1 looks like.  I myself have commented often about how butTUgly it is, because I really think it is.  I put in my time, trying to make myself like the program, but I literally have to avert my eyes, it's such a downer to me to see what I consider a drab, depressing looking, and "software design 101" project.  I know it looks something like *other programs* - those programs being emulated have the same problem.  I mention all that because the cosmetic issue is a big one with a lot of people, and it's dumb to say that the graphics in a program aren't important.  It's just like food.  The most important about food your being served is its presentation, more than its flavor.  Chefs have known for centuries that a great presentation goes a long way in satisfying the customer's palette. 

Like a lot of people, I've watched the Groove 3 vids.  I admire how ably X1 is presented.  But it's unfortunate that some things being shown were broken after the vids were made, like the full function of AS.  And things many people have struggled with the most, like Screensets, is given extremely little time in the tutes.  They're made to be seen as a not very important part of the program, while Cakewalk has of course touted them as one of The Major innovations - despite the fact that they're just the old docking feature in disguise.

I admire the people who have embraced X1 and seem to be trucking along making music.  I can only guess they haven't run into the same problems I have.  For me, X1 is an interesting experiment to toy around with, but there's no way I'be been able to make it replace 8.5, which I still use daily.

It's totally bogus to say that people having problems with X1 all are just rebelling against learning something new, or have inadequate systems.  There are simply too many quirks and frailties in the program for it to be on the market yet.  Hopefully Cakewlk will make it a viable product ASAP.

And so on.

Randy B.

Most of the "noobs" are X1 fans and they popped up after X1 hit all of the spots.

 
It absolutely amazes me that so many of the most respected and brilliant SONAR minds amongst us, including those who are savvy enough to be running X1 without a hitch, cannot fathom out how to use this excellent forum software's quote feature
 
 
RTFM
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Edit: Oh sorry, there isn't one

"Scott, I was on that thread too. I was trying to be helpful but it turns out I was of no help at all. I apologize for not being able to help. But I was trying."

Hi John and it was much appreciated! I know a lot of folks want to help and hope I never came across as not appreciating it.

  To be honest, Im usually on the other side of the fence helping others around here too. :) But alas, this will be the first time these issues have been serious enough for a complete shutdown of Sonar X1 for me. Ill be back in Sonar 8.5. (which also concerns me. I wish I had time to debug the software, but I need to get back to being just a musician for my work. Its vital that these bugs get addressed though being in 8.53 will not setup a realworld recording environment)

Best,

sdpate


Silly boy, you can't discount reality with conspiracy theories. Ran X1 for 5 weeks, from the first day and praised it high and low until it wouldn't work. I've been testing beta software for over 20 years. If CW said it was beta code I'd have treated it as such. The old story is under promise and over deliver. X1 over promised and didn't deliver. That's why people are upset.

+1

RB

I thought most of the negative post were from old users who didn't like the new version?

I posted about hating the new console view. But I do understand that Cakewalk cannot make everyone happy. There is always going to be things I love and hate about a program of this magnitude. Allot of the things I hate are fixable and hopefully through some updates, they will get fixed.
 
But then those fixes might make someone else unhappy. Its a vicious cycle and it will never end. Its the nature of the beast, as you can never make everyone happy.
 
Wait!!! I smell something....   Ahhh Never mind, its me!!!!
Cj