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Re:I SMELL A RAT!!
2011/01/17 21:34:30
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rbowser sdpate Silly boy, you can't discount reality with conspiracy theories. Ran X1 for 5 weeks, from the first day and praised it high and low until it wouldn't work. I've been testing beta software for over 20 years. If CW said it was beta code I'd have treated it as such. The old story is under promise and over deliver. X1 over promised and didn't deliver. That's why people are upset. +1 RB +1
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Re:I SMELL A RAT!!
2011/01/17 21:39:12
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sdpate Silly boy, you can't discount reality with conspiracy theories. Ran X1 for 5 weeks, from the first day and praised it high and low until it wouldn't work. I've been testing beta software for over 20 years. If CW said it was beta code I'd have treated it as such. The old story is under promise and over deliver. X1 over promised and didn't deliver. That's why people are upset. Well, what does that mean exactly? Until it wouldn't work? . What you mean is: until it wouldn't work "FOR ME ON MY SYSTEM(s). Posting it's unusable or doesn't work is ridiculous. At least post it correctly. What do you think the rest of us are making it up that it works OK for us? Jeeeezzzz.
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Re:I SMELL A RAT!!
2011/01/17 21:41:34
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The quoteing on this forum does suck, especially if your onj a mobile like and android phone or an i phone... no spell check no copy paste no quotes.... it used to be better....
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Re:I SMELL A RAT!!
2011/01/17 21:43:10
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You can post form your andriod phone? What app are you using
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Re:I SMELL A RAT!!
2011/01/17 21:46:10
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SteveStrummerUK It absolutely amazes me that so many of the most respected and brilliant SONAR minds amongst us, including those who are savvy enough to be running X1 without a hitch, cannot fathom out how to use this excellent forum software's quote feature RTFM Edit: Oh sorry, there isn't one LOL Man, ur right. This forum sofware leaves a lot to be desired!
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Re:I SMELL A RAT!!
2011/01/17 21:48:56
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VigilantSound The quoteing on this forum does suck, especially if your onj a mobile like and android phone or an i phone... no spell check no copy paste no quotes.... it used to be better.... There is a spell check. There is also a quote and unquote.The quote is to the right of the full justification icon. Spell check is the first icon. I don't like this forum software either but it does have the things we use the most. What I miss is the reply to indication.
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Re:I SMELL A RAT!!
2011/01/17 21:49:28
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Wow. Now there is going to be kvetching about the forum software....
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Re:I SMELL A RAT!!
2011/01/17 21:51:36
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I thought most of the negative post were from old users who didn't like the new version?
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Re:I SMELL A RAT!!
2011/01/17 21:53:26
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stratman70 sdpate Silly boy, you can't discount reality with conspiracy theories. Ran X1 for 5 weeks, from the first day and praised it high and low until it wouldn't work. I've been testing beta software for over 20 years. If CW said it was beta code I'd have treated it as such. The old story is under promise and over deliver. X1 over promised and didn't deliver. That's why people are upset. Well, what does that mean exactly? Until it wouldn't work? . What you mean is: until it wouldn't work "FOR ME ON MY SYSTEM(s). Posting it's unusable or doesn't work is ridiculous. At least post it correctly. What do you think the rest of us are making it up that it works OK for us? Jeeeezzzz. +1 to that, and Amen brother!
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Re:I SMELL A RAT!!
2011/01/17 21:57:03
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John VigilantSound The quoteing on this forum does suck, especially if your onj a mobile like and android phone or an i phone... no spell check no copy paste no quotes.... it used to be better.... There is a spell check. There is also a quote and unquote.The quote is to the right of the full justification icon. Spell check is the first icon. I don't like this forum software either but it does have the things we use the most. What I miss is the reply to indication. Fixed in reply to John
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Re:I SMELL A RAT!!
2011/01/17 22:01:56
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Jonbouy Middleman Yawn. He has a point though don't he? Guilty as charged as far as I can see. I think it all comes down to posting on merit, pro or con. Everyone who is posting fanboy type garbage when somebody is experiencing issues is every bit as destructive as bringing down a thread with something equally irrelevant when somebody else is enthusing about a feature. Both types of poster equal noise. Just flip sides of the same coin, and that's where the real negativity lies. It's those just being contrary for it's own sake that are the biggest source of rubbish. I can't see anything wrong with somebody being critical if it is merited, nor can I see anything wrong with somebody being enthusiastic about some new feature they've found. It's just those that think that it is their way of thinking therefore it must be the 'right' way on whatever particular side of the fence they happen to be on at any given time are the ones lowering the signal to noise ratio. The quote that Scott pulled out is a good example of that. If you woke up instead of yawning I'm sure you'd see it too. +1 times 1000 ;)
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Re:I SMELL A RAT!!
2011/01/17 22:04:08
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stratman70 sdpate Silly boy, you can't discount reality with conspiracy theories. Ran X1 for 5 weeks, from the first day and praised it high and low until it wouldn't work. I've been testing beta software for over 20 years. If CW said it was beta code I'd have treated it as such. The old story is under promise and over deliver. X1 over promised and didn't deliver. That's why people are upset. Well, what does that mean exactly? Until it wouldn't work? . What you mean is: until it wouldn't work "FOR ME ON MY SYSTEM(s). Posting it's unusable or doesn't work is ridiculous. At least post it correctly. What do you think the rest of us are making it up that it works OK for us? Jeeeezzzz. Um, don't you think when someone posts they DO mean "their system" not yours? I don't get your thinking. Unless you're suggesting they have to use the words you want them to?
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Re:I SMELL A RAT!!
2011/01/17 22:09:33
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Billy and Scott are buddies so expect them to support each other in all things. Look at the number of Billy posts after Scott comments. It's ingratiating. Scott has whined excessively about his issues. I think everyone got it about post 50 that he is not happy with X1. He finally got the attention he was seeking when Noel responded to him personally. I say enough, I was tired of his negativity about the product and I called out his environment. Not to say he didn't have a problem, just the excessive way he went about making it known.
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Re:I SMELL A RAT!!
2011/01/17 22:13:19
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Middleman Billy and Scott are buddies so expect them to support each other in all things. Look at the number of Billy posts after Scott comments. It's ingratiating. Scott has whined excessively about his issues. I think everyone got it about post 50 that he is not happy with X1. He finally got the attention he was seeking when Noel responded to him personally. I say enough, I was tired of his negativity about the product and I called out his environment. Not to say he didn't have a problem, just the excessive way he went about making it known. Man, you make a lot of assumptions Phil. Scott and I hardly know each other, though we have been communicating about some things lately. And I only support things I think are right, not who it's coming from. You can believe that or not, but it's fact for me. Scott hasn't whined. He has brought up issues - some of which CW has acknowledged That's whining? SHeesh. Yet you call his finding a bug "getting attention"?? So you're whole deal is you'd like to throttle how much people can say? Or how they say it? You accused him of things and even called him BS. I think it is you who should look inside, perhaps. But I really don't want to get into yet another pissing contest on the Sonar forums. The facts can speak for themselves.
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Re:I SMELL A RAT!!
2011/01/17 22:13:59
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Not to say he didn't have a problem 'Calling him on his BS' is different in some way?
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Re:I SMELL A RAT!!
2011/01/17 22:16:24
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Hey musicman100, I with ya on this one. I felt that way all along. All the complaining made me not load X1. Now that I have i'm finding the horrors don't exist on my machine. I'm still having a hard time finding things and A LOT of the time I think I'm finding a bug when I'm just using the wrong command. I have got to quit hitting "E" for erase in the PRV when that turns on and off the effects. I thought there was a bug doing it , but it was me!
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Re:I SMELL A RAT!!
2011/01/17 22:17:39
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ive been guilty of posting a few harsh ignorant raves..but im frustrated.like alot of you are(im not speaking for eveyone.)i know im a new to this forum but i like to think i have a voice too.ive tryed a few daw and i really like sonar.in some ways i feel like they got me by the nuts.i love this product so much im not abandoning it..im just glad i got this forum for knowledge and if i can throw some back at ya..im starting to use it more and more evryday now to get over the learning curves..and no i know there are things i can do and cant do..im hoping when 1b comes out..those things i cant do..i can do. there are many things to like about x1
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Re:I SMELL A RAT!!
2011/01/17 22:20:37
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ba_midi stratman70 sdpate Silly boy, you can't discount reality with conspiracy theories. Ran X1 for 5 weeks, from the first day and praised it high and low until it wouldn't work. I've been testing beta software for over 20 years. If CW said it was beta code I'd have treated it as such. The old story is under promise and over deliver. X1 over promised and didn't deliver. That's why people are upset. Well, what does that mean exactly? Until it wouldn't work? . What you mean is: until it wouldn't work "FOR ME ON MY SYSTEM(s). Posting it's unusable or doesn't work is ridiculous. At least post it correctly. What do you think the rest of us are making it up that it works OK for us? Jeeeezzzz. Um, don't you think when someone posts they DO mean "their system" not yours? I don't get your thinking. Unless you're suggesting they have to use the words you want them to? Well, Billy, read the posts about folks who it works for -99.9% say something like "works OK for me"-works oK here". or Fine here so far. What would a "noobie" think of either posts. Hey Joe, bunch of guys say it works OK for them. Hey Joe, these two guys say it's unusable> Sorry, Billy-I do not want to argue with you but I believe thier is a difference. Maybe it's just the perceived tone when no further definition is given. Please, do not insult me-Do I want them to use my words. Come on. Man. Friggin' insane here.
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Re:I SMELL A RAT!!
2011/01/17 22:21:22
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Nobody likes to hear their favorite sports team sucks, LOL. "Hey! What the hell are you saying? You sonofa...."
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Re:I SMELL A RAT!!
2011/01/17 22:26:15
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marcos69 Holy mackerel Is that a Mackerel or a tuna, Sushi anyone? X1 Rocks. Despite the fact the keyboard shortcuts don't work as I expect, i.e. Q to mute a clip, Shift N, ect X1 is big step forward. Change is good. I think we need some civil discourse on X1
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Re:I SMELL A RAT!!
2011/01/17 22:32:40
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"Billy and Scott are buddies so expect them to support each other in all things." Billy has great ideas as does many other users in this community that I respect. I support anyone's views that has been intelligently thought out and makes sense to further help the end-user base for this DAW.
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Re:I SMELL A RAT!!
2011/01/17 22:37:21
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stratman70 ba_midi stratman70 sdpate Silly boy, you can't discount reality with conspiracy theories. Ran X1 for 5 weeks, from the first day and praised it high and low until it wouldn't work. I've been testing beta software for over 20 years. If CW said it was beta code I'd have treated it as such. The old story is under promise and over deliver. X1 over promised and didn't deliver. That's why people are upset. Well, what does that mean exactly? Until it wouldn't work? . What you mean is: until it wouldn't work "FOR ME ON MY SYSTEM(s). Posting it's unusable or doesn't work is ridiculous. At least post it correctly. What do you think the rest of us are making it up that it works OK for us? Jeeeezzzz. Um, don't you think when someone posts they DO mean "their system" not yours? I don't get your thinking. Unless you're suggesting they have to use the words you want them to? Well, Billy, read the posts about folks who it works for -99.9% say something like "works OK for me"-works oK here". or Fine here so far. What would a "noobie" think of either posts. Hey Joe, bunch of guys say it works OK for them. Hey Joe, these two guys say it's unusable> Sorry, Billy-I do not want to argue with you but I believe thier is a difference. Maybe it's just the perceived tone when no further definition is given. Please, do not insult me-Do I want them to use my words. Come on. Man. Friggin' insane here. I agree some posts go overboard. Some posts are downright nasty. But some posts are also understandable because people were disappointed by how it's working for them. There are posts that get on my nerves too - I think we all have experienced that. I'm not trying to insult you at all, though; But if someone says "X1 doesn't work" - don't you think they are, in fact, talking about their system and their experience? What I don't understand is why people feel so protective and upset by those things. I agree if someone is going to go public with a harsh statement about the product they should back it up with facts rather than just ranting. But after all, this is the internet - and it's human beings. I just wish we'd all be a little more tolerant of the anxiety some people are experiencing. If it's working for you (you being whoever, that is), then why not be just a tiny bit more compassionate for those it's not doing as well for. I don't see any harm in that. And I think you make a good point about "perceived tone." Some users are not even American and they may express differently. Some users may not be well educated for all we know, so they didn't learn good manners. It takes all kinds, as they say. Like you, I think it's good to call someone out for just ranting without real information. But I just don't want to let myself become too judgmental too quickly. I'm actually try to reach a point where I simply don't care about this forum as much. It really has turned sour lately. And that's a shame. I always felt a strong bond with our community here. Maybe this too shall pass, as they say. But for now it's a rough road be on.
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Re:I SMELL A RAT!!
2011/01/17 22:38:28
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TomFerraro marcos69 Holy mackerel Is that a Mackerel or a tuna, Sushi anyone? X1 Rocks. Despite the fact the keyboard shortcuts don't work as I expect, i.e. Q to mute a clip, Shift N, ect X1 is big step forward. Change is good. I think we need some civil discourse on X1 Well, "Holy Tuna" just doesn't have the same impact, does it...
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Re:I SMELL A RAT!!
2011/01/17 22:53:46
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Scott, let's make this right. For clarity, your video did not appear like a normal startup of X1 i.e. launching from the desktop. It appeared to me as a virtual environment which is why I called it BS, not you by the way as you and Billy have implied, but the so called tested "bugs" in what appeared to be a virtual environment. I felt this was an unfair test to expect normal operations of the software. In the end you clarified it was not virtualized. So here is my apology for that comment. Also, Noel clarified that under the setting you had, the bug would appear, I did not have those settings and could not duplicate it. Was actually trying to help there. I still do believe you have created an unfair perspective on X1 across numerous threads, snide comments and a high number of the same repeated complaints which did not seek resolutions due to your particular environment not running well. You are running on XP which is no longer supported by Microsoft but you expect Cakewalk to support you on that OS indefinitely. I think you've got all the mileage you are going to get out of that environment.
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Re:I SMELL A RAT!!
2011/01/17 23:00:35
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Middleman Scott, let's make this right. For clarity, your video did not appear like a normal startup of X1 i.e. launching from the desktop. It appeared to me as a virtual environment which is why I called it BS, not you by the way as you and Billy have implied, but the so called tested "bugs" in what appeared to be a virtual environment. I felt this was an unfair test to expect normal operations of the software. In the end you clarified it was not virtualized. So here is my apology for that comment. Also, Noel clarified that under the setting you had, the bug would appear, I did not have those settings and could not duplicate it. Was actually trying to help there. I still do believe you have created an unfair perspective on X1 across numerous threads, snide comments and a high number of the same repeated complaints which did not seek resolutions due to your particular environment not running well. You are running on XP which is no longer supported by Microsoft but you expect Cakewalk to support you on that OS indefinitely. I think you've got all the mileage you are going to get out of that environment. System Requirements - Windows XP Service Pack 3 (32-bit)/Vista Service Pack 2 (32- or 64-bit)/Windows 7 (32- or 64-bit)*
With XP support continuing into 2014 If you can't get this simple thing right, why do expect anyone to listen to you?
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Middleman
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Re:I SMELL A RAT!!
2011/01/17 23:09:10
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I can understand your frustration 10Ten and appreciate those kind words. The fact is your dancing with the less efficiency over time by not upgrading. I know it's published but the reality is, and in my experience with DAW software over 10 years, the more you trail, the higher your likelihood of encountering issues. I didn't make the rules but they are what they are when you are dealing with open platform. Service Pack 3 is extended through 2014 but all prior versions are done.
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Re:I SMELL A RAT!!
2011/01/17 23:10:49
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"Middleman, You are running on XP which is no longer supported by Microsoft but you expect Cakewalk to support you on that OS indefinitely" From cakewalks Sonar X1 Producers page: http://www.cakewalk.com/Products/SONAR/X1-Producer/Details.aspx/System-Requirements Cakewalk > Professional Music Production > SONAR X1 > SONAR X1 Producer > System Requirements System Requirements - Windows XP Service Pack 3 (32-bit)/Vista Service Pack 2 (32- or 64-bit)/Windows 7 (32- or 64-bit)*
- Intel Core 2 Duo E8200 2.67 GHz/AMD Phenom Quad Core 9750 2.4 Ghz
- 2 GB RAM
- 1280x800 minimum screen resolution
- 4.5GB for minimal installation, 15GB for complete installation
- SONAR on DVD: DVD-ROM, DVD+/-R or DVD+/-RW Drive
- SONAR download: Broadband or better internet connection for download
- Cakewalk Publisher requires available web server space with FTP access
* Windows XP Media Center and Windows XP 64-bit are not officially supported. Comparison Chart << System Requirements >> Upgrade today
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Middleman
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Re:I SMELL A RAT!!
2011/01/17 23:16:42
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The majority of people having issues right now are running XP from the threads going on here. Not sure they are all on service pack 3 by the way. I know that's what Sonar has published but look at the issues a lot of XP users are having. By the way, what versions are you guys running?
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Jonbouy
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Re:I SMELL A RAT!!
2011/01/17 23:27:33
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The majority of people having issues right now are running XP Evidence? Many are reporting UAC issues with W7 64 bit, aside from those installing S1 before you leap on that one. Mike McCue isn't running XP AFAIK, and if you read his posts he explains why he is adopting his vocal style. Basically because the 'proper reporting channels' have been less than satisfactory. If you read the tales of many others carefully you'll realise they are saying similar things to Mike, old bugs all previously reported still enduring in X1 Are you saying these people are lying or are you just insecure because the software you bought isn't a golden fleece and it's down to you not wanting to hear that part of the story? I'm glad things are working out for you and many others with the new update and I mean that. So why are you now trying to undermine XP users, and potential XP customers, when Cakewalk have already committed to backing that platform?
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Re:I SMELL A RAT!!
2011/01/17 23:28:16
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Zuma Nobody likes to hear their favorite sports team sucks, LOL. "Hey! What the hell are you saying? You sonofa...." Boy, does this hit the nail on the head! Reading the various threads about the multiple problems in X1 -- and the vitriol coming from fanboys -- seemed exactly like this. "How dare you saying anything negative about MY team!" Well, from the number of comments on various threads, by some very respected and long-time members of this forum, it would appear that "your team" (actually, OUR team) has a serious, serious problem. Just sayin. . . .
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