dlion16
back in the day cw was a different company. there was a dialogue with power users like us...
 
now, no dialogue, just "we don't care, we sold ourselves to gibson, now. wheee..."
 
sad but true. i still love sonar, but i find myself hating the company. i too want x2b with bug fixes long before x3, but that's not what i'm a gonna get. 
 
so i, and others, have a choice: stay with x2a, or pay cw more money for the honor of beta-testing x3, which also won't be fixed, because x4 is already in the pipeline...

new versions always bring out the best in us, others are in such bliss, happiness while others are rolling over in their graves, sorry to hear about your frustrations.
 

I bet Conley buys it even if he has to sell blood to get it.    Haha.
 

Glyn Barnes
Cakewalk always had a one year development cycle, that changed with X1, now its back again.
 
A business has to maintain a revenue stream, for the consumer its a two edge sword but if the company goes bust while putting out free updates nobody wins.

yep but we gota also 2 or 3 update (and bug fixes) a year ....not one and shut up ! ....i feel X2 users ...i installed X2 one week ago : crashola few time , done with it , gonna check X3 but if bug fixes AREN'T the absolute priority ...bad move guyz ...bad moves .....more than short terme money , they can impact the whole company health by losing credibilaty .....they made great work to be seen as a real  BIG player in the game .....they can screw that real easy unless they call themselves AVID

just wanted to point out that vst 3 resizing depdned on the plugin dev ;)

MakeShift
Melodyne Single Track upgrade to Editor is not $50, that has been covered in other threads.

Correct.  I have just discovered that.  But it does seem like upgrading to X3, and then upgrading Melodyne from Essentials to Editor saves $100 compared to just buying Melodyne Editor and running it on X2, so that is still attractive -- unless Melodyne doesn't consider that a valid upgrade.

Glyn Barnes
Cakewalk always had a one year development cycle, that changed with X1, now its back again.
 
A business has to maintain a revenue stream, for the consumer its a two edge sword but if the company goes bust while putting out free updates nobody wins.

X3 has had some major changes made to it's underpinnings (VST3 support, Aria, fixing the max plug-in limit issue, etc.) that even aside from the development time would have required a crapload of testing/debugging just to verify that they were not doing more harm than good.  All that required a significant of amount grease i.e. time & resources & money.
 
Personally I be surprised if an X2b patch came out - I just don't think Roland deep pocketed Sonar enough to justify the required resources to make that happen (on top of the X3 development)
 
It's too early to tell what the effect of the Gibson acquisition will be, hoping that when we look back at some point that it will be seen as a good thing.
 

cparmerlee
If Melodyne regards X3 owners as valid owners of Essential, then they are effectively giving us $99 off the cost of Editor.

If we are talking about the same web page - I thought so too on first read.
 
The page that I saw earlier (think it's been taken down since) was talking about the upgrade from Editor 1 to Editor 2.
Something along the lines of if you install X3 and you discover that you have Editor v1 you could upgrade to v2 for $99, but during October there will be a discount. Like I said it looks like the page was taken down so we'll see...
 
If you are an Essential owner, you can upgrade to Editor for $299.
If you're willing to wait - Melodyne Editor has gone on sale every summer (50% off) for the last couple of years.

MakeShift
Melodyne Single Track upgrade to Editor is not $50, that has been covered in other threads.

My bad. I apologize.

kday
X2b will be released. Probably by Namm.
 
There were too many "fixed" bugs from X2a to not be released as a separate maintenance release.
 
CW will probably release X2b after X3, to minimize X2 owners from being discouraged from X2 improvement.  
 
 
 

I'm willing to bet my entire stash of Becan that this will not happen.

Nah, I don't have that feeling.  Looking at CW's history, X2 was an anomoly and not the norm.   So what I really expect is a return to the traditional 3-4 patches per version.  After all, they have returned to (what appears to be) the yearly-ish release cycle.
 
As far as Cubase and Studio One go, I happen to own one of those as well so am already familiar with the updates.   Is it nice?  Sure.   Does it make me think I should jump ship and move to the other DAW because of that alone?  Nope.  You'll have to do better than that.   It's the total package - features, workflow, comfort level, forum, etc - that matters most... at least to me.
 
Edit: I just realized you weren't explictly referring to jumping ship.   So to rephrase, it doesn't make me think I should temper my excitement one bit.  For al of the same reasons listed.

Funkybot
X3 will get released with some bugs (many of which have existed for years), you'll get a maintenance release called X3A that only fixes some bugs, then have nothing but silence from Cakewalk for a year until X4? 

Come on, when did that ever happen except that once..?
 
Besides, I'm shooting for X3 manifesting itself as the prophecised bug-free Messiah DAW that must come (again?) sooner or later.

I have to say...that from what I read, X3 is packed with some very enticing features and additions. No one wants to spend money, but if my $150 upgrade returns all those features and keeps Cakewalk afloat, that's fine with me.
 
To me, what they need to do for X2 is fix the quirks in the track lanes. I go crazy cutting and pasting in them sometimes. BUt as far as I am concerned, that's all they owe us.
 
 

Funkybot
don't you have a nagging feeling that X3 will get released with some bugs (many of which have existed for years),

Yes, of course.  Every complex piece of software ever created has had bugs at first.  While I agree that X2 has more than an average amount of bugs for what should be a fairly mature product, most of them have reasonable work-arounds.  And the large, large majority of things I see people complaining the loudest about are not bugs.  The take lanes have some real bugs where names get criss-crossed and such, but the people complaining most about that argue that the feature doesn't work the way they would like to work.  That may be a problem, but it isn't a bug.  Lack of VST3 support was not a bug, etc.
 
Cakewalk claims that they have addressed many of the problems reported against X2 as they redesigned big parts of the system at X3.  It makes no sense to me to get hung up on the principle of a discrete X2b patch versus upgrading for a modest price to get those fixes plus a bunch of new capability.
 
And let's not forget the nature of the challenge.  They support the product on several OS versions, a virtually unlimited combination of motherboards and CPUs, lots of different audio interfaces and control surfaces, etc.  And on the software side, they support VSTs from any supplier.  Yes, it SHOULD all work seamlessly, but that is a lot of complexity to deal with, and it isn't surprising that some users have combinations that mess with the program.  It is inherently more complex than a closed system like a word processor or a spreadsheet app.