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Re: No notation fixes!
2015/04/24 01:52:58
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I've been quite happy not using notation in Sonar, but I have to say I would definitely use it if it were a fully fledged editor without the problems, bugs and annoyances that everyone complains about. Reading about those has definitely put me off. I've gotten to thinking about it again because I've just started learning Finale. I bought Finale 2012 cheap in a sale over a year ago and it's been sitting on my hard drive gathering dust because I never got around to tackling it. But I've been recruited to collaborate on a book of guitar transcriptions and so I'm finally diving into it (I've bought a book and everything  ). It's really nice to work with a fully fledged, professional score editor like Finale and it just makes me wish that Sonar had such a thing, if only as a note entry tool without all the publishing stuff. Sitting with that score in front of me on the screen makes me fantasize about writing orchestral parts with a fully fledged orchestral library. The trouble I'm finding with Finale is that its MIDI input has terrible latency and I just cannot seem to solve the issue. Also it's a pain working with Finale and Sonar at the same time because Finale seems to want to output at 44.1kHz no matter what. Its audio and MIDI functionality is a pain in the ass, to be frank. So naturally I'm pining for the best of both worlds. The editing of Finale with the audio of Sonar. I really wish Cakewalk would cut a deal with MakeMusic to incorporate a scaled down version of their notation editor into Sonar. I can't help feeling it would be a positive thing for both companies.
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Re: No notation fixes!
2015/04/24 14:55:10
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sharke
I've been quite happy not using notation in Sonar, but I have to say I would definitely use it if it were a fully fledged editor without the problems, bugs and annoyances that everyone complains about. Reading about those has definitely put me off.
I've gotten to thinking about it again because I've just started learning Finale. I bought Finale 2012 cheap in a sale over a year ago and it's been sitting on my hard drive gathering dust because I never got around to tackling it. But I've been recruited to collaborate on a book of guitar transcriptions and so I'm finally diving into it (I've bought a book and everything ). It's really nice to work with a fully fledged, professional score editor like Finale and it just makes me wish that Sonar had such a thing, if only as a note entry tool without all the publishing stuff. Sitting with that score in front of me on the screen makes me fantasize about writing orchestral parts with a fully fledged orchestral library. The trouble I'm finding with Finale is that its MIDI input has terrible latency and I just cannot seem to solve the issue. Also it's a pain working with Finale and Sonar at the same time because Finale seems to want to output at 44.1kHz no matter what. Its audio and MIDI functionality is a pain in the ass, to be frank. So naturally I'm pining for the best of both worlds. The editing of Finale with the audio of Sonar. I really wish Cakewalk would cut a deal with MakeMusic to incorporate a scaled down version of their notation editor into Sonar. I can't help feeling it would be a positive thing for both companies.
I use finale also and just export to midi and import into sonar. May not meet with your work method though. https://www.finalemusic.com/UserManuals/Finale2012Mac/Content/Finale/MIDI_files2.htm
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sharke
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Re: No notation fixes!
2015/04/25 00:01:37
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rabeach
sharke
I've been quite happy not using notation in Sonar, but I have to say I would definitely use it if it were a fully fledged editor without the problems, bugs and annoyances that everyone complains about. Reading about those has definitely put me off.
I've gotten to thinking about it again because I've just started learning Finale. I bought Finale 2012 cheap in a sale over a year ago and it's been sitting on my hard drive gathering dust because I never got around to tackling it. But I've been recruited to collaborate on a book of guitar transcriptions and so I'm finally diving into it (I've bought a book and everything ). It's really nice to work with a fully fledged, professional score editor like Finale and it just makes me wish that Sonar had such a thing, if only as a note entry tool without all the publishing stuff. Sitting with that score in front of me on the screen makes me fantasize about writing orchestral parts with a fully fledged orchestral library. The trouble I'm finding with Finale is that its MIDI input has terrible latency and I just cannot seem to solve the issue. Also it's a pain working with Finale and Sonar at the same time because Finale seems to want to output at 44.1kHz no matter what. Its audio and MIDI functionality is a pain in the ass, to be frank. So naturally I'm pining for the best of both worlds. The editing of Finale with the audio of Sonar. I really wish Cakewalk would cut a deal with MakeMusic to incorporate a scaled down version of their notation editor into Sonar. I can't help feeling it would be a positive thing for both companies.
I use finale also and just export to midi and import into sonar. May not meet with your work method though.
https://www.finalemusic.com/UserManuals/Finale2012Mac/Content/Finale/MIDI_files2.htm
Yeah I guess I like to have everything open and running at once, lol. My ideal workflow would be to have Finale outputting MIDI to Sonar. That would be awesome.
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lfm
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Re: No notation fixes!
2015/04/25 04:03:23
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sharke
Yeah I guess I like to have everything open and running at once, lol. My ideal workflow would be to have Finale outputting MIDI to Sonar. That would be awesome.
My ideal is opposite route - rewire notation software into Sonar - mark you midi tracks to be part of notation(as you do with opening Staff View) - and there it is, over and done, just about. I did some test a few years back - rewire Reaper into Reaper - doing this kind of thing. And it works. I read that some do this with Sibelius though - rewire into daw, as I understand it. Big fail in Sonar Staff View is triplet handling - needing notes on every triplet. To run a 4/4 signature triplets in 100 tempo - you have to make Sonar 12/8 and 150 in tempo. That will make any automatic tempo markers twisted in notation software - marking it as "presto" or something when it's actually "moderato" or so. Just to mention one thing. And tempo needs to be translated always to how click tracks or metronomes usually work. Somebody need to think this through - and make proper adjustments in Sonar Staff View, so we can use it fully to it's potential.
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Re: No notation fixes!
2015/04/26 13:38:58
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18 pages, 514 comments and over 13,800 views!
Bakers, Cakewalk, Gibson, are you listening yet?
Do you think Staff View is important to enough of us yet?
If not, what will it take?
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Re: No notation fixes!
2015/04/26 14:46:21
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☄ Helpfulby cparmerlee 2015/04/26 22:52:24
This thread is the second most active thread after
"Introducing the new SONAR: New lineup, new features, plus membership"
That should count for something, you'd think.
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Re: No notation fixes!
2015/04/26 15:12:46
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I didn't go the Sonar route because of notation. I went because it is PC and gave me the most features and flexibility for the money. Having usable notation would be soooooooooo nice (as opposed to importing midi/xml).
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Re: No notation fixes!
2015/04/26 17:52:52
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Reaper will be implementing a notation view soon. Their 5.0 is due out shortly, and by 5.1 or 5.2 it will have notation. So the competition is not sitting back on its heels, Cakewalk! Don't get left behind!
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Re: No notation fixes!
2015/04/26 19:41:01
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Re: No notation fixes!
2015/04/26 21:35:52
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What does that explain....?
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Re: No notation fixes!
2015/04/27 02:53:49
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I dind't understand it too!
By the way, I took a short view to Studio One the last days and I must say, that the workflow and the possibilities in Sonar are yet better at this time. Of course, Studio One is very young in comparrison with other daw's. Therefore it is really good and has some nice features. I think with the upcoming version 3 it will get closer to the established daw's.
So Cakewalk, use your experience and bring sonar to the front - listen to the users, don't ignore them.
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Re: No notation fixes!
2015/04/27 04:14:12
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Timo Finkbeiner
Therefore it is really good and has some nice features.
I think it's very personal what you experience with a certain setup of features. For me, using daw as a tape machine basically - just to hold clips and plugin effects - most of new features in sonar is of no value to me, stretching, audiosnap, vocalsnap etc. Stretching I can imagine what it's for, but the rest I have no idea. Started to use more external midi gear - I was really in for a ride with StudioOne. The amount of settings you were to do on each track and setup the ports to allow controllers to be recorded - my god, what were they thinking. Don't think you can arm for record and it would record whatever came on midi in - no, no. Unless you had echo on, it would not accept anything but midi notes and destination port, a VSTi or midi port - had to be setup properly or nothing accepted. As I understand devs of S1 came from Steinberg and still they neglect things that work well in Cubase - and created a monster of S1. Presonus bought Notion - and that will probably be well integrated into S1 - and that is probably the main difference to upcoming S1 v3. On Cockos forum there have been screeming about notation for years, and now it seems R5 is to make it happend. So look up Cakewalk Sonar, if neglecting notation for much longer...Taking drum lessons, and learning to read drum score I really becake aware of weakness of daw implementation - both on notation and metronome as such. If using 100 tempo on external click or external metronome - you should really be able to set tempo to 100 in daw also.
post edited by lfm - 2015/04/27 04:28:56
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Re: No notation fixes!
2015/04/27 08:39:34
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Hello, maybe because of my other native language, I didn't really understand if you like S1 and its features now or not. Do you like it or do you like Sonar more? Of course it is my personal experience what I've done the last days with S1. Everybody has it's own workflow and something is better in this daw and others in another daw. I learned Studio One to love the last days. But something I miss in S1 is the Groove Clip or Loop (as it is called in Samplitude). In S1 you have to duplicate a clip as often you want. There you have to choose if the Clips should belong to each other or not. But if they belong to each other, I dind't found a way to seperate them. Only with cut and paste. For this sonar has a better feature with the Groove Clips, where you have to select the clip, choose Groove Clip and pull it with the mouse as long as you want. But as I mentioned above, it is only my short experience with S1 and I know my workflow with Sonar for years. So it is not really fair to compare both daw's after a short time of working with S1. I will keep looking to S1 and what will happen to the upcoming next version. Maybe than I decide to take the other train this time. By the way, Sonar has got a lot of features I also don't use in general, but sometimes it is just good to know, what you can do if day is coming when you need it. So People who don't need Notation at the moment, maybe the day is coming when you will be happy to have a good notation within Sonar. Timo
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Re: No notation fixes!
2015/04/27 09:29:22
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Timo Finkbeiner
maybe because of my other native language, I didn't really understand if you like S1 and its features now or not. Do you like it or do you like Sonar more?
I like Sonar more. It was a showstopper in Sonar X3, Metaplugin not working for some plugins, that made me go for S1 on a campaign. But Sonar 21.x fixed that. Metaplugin(3rd party http://ddmf.eu) is the one plugin that fixes many routing limitations in Sonar, for me, so very important. A few things in S1 that I like are that you can place a bus inside a folder. Nice to keep things together. Their approach to visibility of tracks/busses I like better than the menu stuff in Sonar. Also a project or performance monitor showing used pdc, as I remember it. Other things I like Sonar solution better are multi out VST instruments. In Sonar you've got both simple instrument tracks or based on synthrack and many midi tracks - selectable. And you've got all multi outs inside a folder in Track View as well. S1 only show second and further outs in mixer view. Freeze is in Sonar superior to anything I saw. And for a long time, Sonar intergration of Staff View is pretty good(so at least some of comment is on topic). Just needs an update and some love... And over all is the time S1 v3 has taken tells me it's not as successful as Presonus expected. If it shows up with VCA Groups, Notation ala Notion integrated - it's understandable, otherwise not. I also like bugtracker in Sonar, how you get informed that a CWBRNO is updated in status etc. And last, but not least, I like the feel of this membership and possibly monthly updates with fixes and stuff all year round. Presonus only got a forum, they say they read - but you really have no idea or confirmations on anything. Cakewalk is more targeted to dialog with userbase - and that makes a big difference to me. And this change in approach is also what I consider reason for improvements in stability the last years.
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Re: No notation fixes!
2015/04/27 10:14:17
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Hello,
ok thank you. Now I understand your opinion.
I am from Germany, so my english is as it is - but surely not so good for understanding everything in the forum.
Sometimes I have to look in a dictionairy for finding the right words.
Timo
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Re: No notation fixes!
2015/04/30 08:43:48
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WOW! A couple crumbs from the bakers.
Tracks are now listed numerically in the Staff View
Staff View Track Pane no longer forgets picked tracks when changing screensets
Definitely on the top of my "fix list". Not.
Well, at least they looked at it.
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Brando
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Re: No notation fixes!
2015/04/30 09:00:08
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jatoth
WOW! A couple crumbs from the bakers.
Tracks are now listed numerically in the Staff View
Staff View Track Pane no longer forgets picked tracks when changing screensets
Definitely on the top of my "fix list". Not.
Well, at least they looked at it.
Optimistically I think it's a lot more than that. The midi enhancements - distinct note on/note off messages - would be necessary to fix some of the notation issues - rests in tuplets for example. IMO, There's more brewing in this area than bug fixes.
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Re: No notation fixes!
2015/04/30 09:59:40
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Re: No notation fixes!
2015/04/30 11:35:19
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Brando
jatoth
WOW! A couple crumbs from the bakers.
Tracks are now listed numerically in the Staff View
Staff View Track Pane no longer forgets picked tracks when changing screensets
Definitely on the top of my "fix list". Not.
Well, at least they looked at it.
Optimistically I think it's a lot more than that. The midi enhancements - distinct note on/note off messages - would be necessary to fix some of the notation issues - rests in tuplets for example. IMO, There's more brewing in this area than bug fixes.
It would be so funny if they inadvertently fixed the tuplet issues when fixing soming in PRV.
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Re: No notation fixes!
2015/04/30 11:56:34
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☄ Helpfulby cparmerlee 2015/04/30 12:34:23
Kamikaze
Brando
jatoth
WOW! A couple crumbs from the bakers.
Tracks are now listed numerically in the Staff View
Staff View Track Pane no longer forgets picked tracks when changing screensets
Definitely on the top of my "fix list". Not.
Well, at least they looked at it.
Optimistically I think it's a lot more than that. The midi enhancements - distinct note on/note off messages - would be necessary to fix some of the notation issues - rests in tuplets for example. IMO, There's more brewing in this area than bug fixes.
It would be so funny if they inadvertently fixed the tuplet issues when fixing soming in PRV.
I don't believe it would be inadvertent - The root cause for Cake's reluctance to fix the Staff view is that the problem is deep rooted in the heart of their MIDI code - it isn't that they don't like or have no use for Staff View. The fact that they are fixing MIDI issues that are at the heart of how CAKE has always interpreted MIDI on and off note messages says to me they are getting more serious about tackling the issue - their approach is to fix some things without breaking everything else, which I believe is the right way to approach it. A big reason (maybe/likely not the only reason) for Cake's inability to display and manipulate tuplets correctly is due to the fact that Cake previously did not manage discrete note-on and note-off messages for each midi note. I'm not saying that this fixes the issue - just that it resolves one of the factors precluding correct handling in that particular issue.
Brando
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Re: No notation fixes!
2015/04/30 12:03:10
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I thought because they lacked experience and knowledge for implementing staff view, was the main reason. Not to say other things wouldn't effect it, but I thought they had the MIDI understanding. I thought they had said they had tried to get someone with that knowledge in before.
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Re: No notation fixes!
2015/04/30 12:27:40
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Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk]
And besides what Craig said, we don't simply transcribe user requests and implement them or just copy what other DAW's do. We're also do features that innovate and push the envelope to enhance productivity of the user base in ways people never thought of before. Mix-recall is definitely one of those features.
The primary reason for Staff view stasis is resource balancing features that affect the widest user base and those that our dev resources can implement in the fastest time. Notation is a very specialized area of programming and most of us here are not very expert in that domain so its a longer process for us to add features to that area. And to clarify its not sufficient to just have people who can read and write music, just as most mix engineers wouldn't have a clue how to write a DAW even if they were expert in their field :)
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Re: No notation fixes!
2015/04/30 12:30:00
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Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk]
Agreed regarding your first point. Regarding the latter we're already thinking quite deeply about a more universal strategy. And I know Daniel well - I'm a Sibelius user myself and have been in touch with him over the years about interop issues :) Even offered to hire some of their dev's when they had the Avid layoff. They have the brightest minds in the notation space in his team and its still an immense challenge for them last I spoke to him...
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Re: No notation fixes!
2015/04/30 12:43:48
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C) camp for me, B) would be nice.
Posting, because it looks cool
Wow! What is that machine and when was it made and used? I've never seen it...
I hadn't seen your reply before, 1953 and funnily it was made in San Fran. Keaton Music Typewriter. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uctqHxzkNYI
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Re: No notation fixes!
2015/04/30 12:51:37
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Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk
I know Daniel well ... They have the brightest minds in the notation space in his team and its still an immense challenge for them last I spoke to him...
This really is a big challenge, both technically (i.e. software development) but also strategically. Just as garage bands doing tracking and lots of special effects tend to pull the center of gravity of DAWs, engraving extremists tend to dominate the thinking in the notation space. I don't think either market is well served by allowing such influence to dominate. That is not to say there is anything invalid about bands wanting to do tracking and play with the latest effects, or that there is anything wrong with people who want to produce perfect scores that measure up to the best hand-engravings of centuries past. It is just that that isn't the real world for a great many users, and that's where this strategic challenge comes in. A product cannot be all things to all people, so one has to choose one's point of attack wisely. And the new kid on the block (StaffPad) has seriously shaken things up. They probably don't aspire to be the ultimate engraver's tool, as seems to be the goal for Finale, Sibelius and Spreadbury's new product. But for $70, this is really a very creditable notation program, even in the very first release, not to mention that it's main innovation is to allow handwriting of scores. Anybody following this area must be extremely impressed with how much capability is delivered in that product. I continue to believe that at this stage of the game, it is not a practical (or smart) goal to try to build "Finale-level" notation into Sonar. It is much wiser goal to position Sonar as the most interoperable DAW, seamlessly integrating with the best notation products. In other words, Cakewalk cannot beat either Finale or StaffPad at what they do, but it can be the DAW of choice for the users of those products. And that strategy would not be mutually exclusive with making continued improvements to scroll view, which is positioned for fast, easy, lightweight notation uses.
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Brando
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Re: No notation fixes!
2015/04/30 12:55:49
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Kamikaze
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And besides what Craig said, we don't simply transcribe user requests and implement them or just copy what other DAW's do. We're also do features that innovate and push the envelope to enhance productivity of the user base in ways people never thought of before. Mix-recall is definitely one of those features.
The primary reason for Staff view stasis is resource balancing features that affect the widest user base and those that our dev resources can implement in the fastest time. Notation is a very specialized area of programming and most of us here are not very expert in that domain so its a longer process for us to add features to that area. And to clarify its not sufficient to just have people who can read and write music, just as most mix engineers wouldn't have a clue how to write a DAW even if they were expert in their field :)
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sure - There's a big difference between fixing some very basic bugs in the existing staff view, and enhancing it to any degree.
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Re: No notation fixes!
2015/04/30 14:36:19
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"Dorchester Update" is here! No notation fix!!!!!
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Re: No notation fixes!
2015/04/30 14:59:57
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Just out of interest is it possible to select note icons in step record's pop window when using score view?
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michael diemer
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Re: No notation fixes!
2015/04/30 18:25:06
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No surprise, any changes are going to require time, assuming changes are coming at all. I've been checking into other DAWS that have notation. If I migrate, I plan to go with one of the more basic ones, like Mixcraft or Reaper. Reaper is in process of implementing notation, but no telling if it will be better than Sonar, or even as good. Mixcraft's appears to be very basic; it only shows one instrument at a time. not helpful for symphonic composing...
The reason I'll be looking for a simpler DAW: getting tired of the constant changes that don't really change anything, except to get you to spend more money. And definitely I'll be looking for one without a monthly fee!
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Re: No notation fixes!
2015/04/30 18:41:31
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michael diemer
And definitely I'll be looking for one without a monthly fee!
Like SONAR PLATINUM when you pay up front?
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