This thread has become so long! Maybe we could qualify to become a separate topic section of our own! LOL! Maybe our own page! Well, if your gonna dream, dream big!!! hee-hee!

If Sonar was a PC game someone would have come out with notation mods.

Yeah, Kenny, with browned out tin plate photos like in the Civil War doc! And an epic music track along the lines of John Williams! Boy, this thread is really dying a slow death. Let me get my cup of hot tea and think about this. Hee

mudgel
Another notation fix announced in the latest update. Guess there still won't be acknowledgement. It would mean that the premise of the often repeated mantra "Cakewalk don't care about notation" couldn't be repeated ad nauseum.

Well (Just my opinion) - I concede your point to a degree, and would say it is more fair to say "Cakewalk don't care MUCH about notation", given that they have made 5-6 very small fixes to date (before my words get dissected - small in terms of usefulness to me in using staff view, not an assessment of time invested by Cakewalk to fix the problems). Yes it's better than nothing. Does it show they are committed to staff view. Not yet, to me, at least. What I haven't figured out yet is how many of the staff view fixes are those repairing recent damage (say SONAR X1->). Jerry (JSG) recently outlined that something else was broken in staff view in one of the new monthly updates (Gloucester(?)).
I almost never use staff view anymore, and haven't in a while. Maybe if Cakewalk keeps introducing one or two small fixes each month it'll be worth trying it out again to see if it can work stably/reliably, etc. Again - just my view. Not speaking for "Notation Nation".
 

kennyI'll lejazz
@Brando 
 
"Notation Nation  Viva La Revolution  
 
Kenny

Think maybe I'll get some T-shirts printed- nah- there'll never be enough people interested to make it payoff.
Ba-dum-tchaa.
i'm here til Sunday- be sure to try the veal.

Paul P

Brando
Think maybe I'll get some T-shirts printed- nah- there'll never be enough people interested to make it payoff.

Who knows.  Maybe if the streets of Boston were crawling with people wearing "Fix Staff View" T-shirts, it might have an effect.
 

Hate to think what "staff view" might mean to the non-daw public.

I couldn't agree more with Jerry Gerber. I am a longtime user  since my Music Creator days. All my reports of frustration with staff view have been patently ignored. Some complaints seem like they would be so easy to fix with just changing one line of code. I stick around (Sonar Platinum with lifetime updates) but I think some new bugs in staff popped up with the latest update.  It's like Cakewalk is tearing off pieces of staff to feed to the PRV bunch!
 
Tom Clinton

Lack of a proper staff view is kind of a pity... I've just written a track for a friend's wedding. It's a simple piano piece. And I merely want to play it live with some printed notes and instructions in front of me, on the Grand. And perhaps also give this "book" to her as one of the wedding gifts. I recorded the track almost entirely from my keyboard. With minor edits in the piano roll. And you guessed it, the current notation is a total mess. It's absolutely useless as it is right now.
 
And I can well imagine the pain of those composing orchestrated music, e.g. for OSTs, only to get to the point they can't really pass it to a real orchestra for playing cause the current staff view is hardly even a piece of sheet.

WOW! I started this thread with no idea it would take on a life of it's own. I was STUNNED to see it is back but saddened that it made a comeback! I almost posted a new thread when there was so much hub-bub about the BIG announcement, hoping that a fix for notation was part of that event. I thought better of that because this thread got so huge and the responses got so heated sometimes.
Oh, well. I have given up on that fix coming down the road anytime, much less soon! I hope I am wrong!

Dorico is primarily a high end music publishing program for traditional composers, film composers,etc.
It does have rudimentary DAW features like VST support so you can use your own synths but it is nowhere near a real DAW.  It appears to me to be a compositional tool with notation as its primary input rather than live instruments or MIDI (though I'm sure you can track MIDI with it as a notation input). Its primary output is very high end music engraving. The VST/audio capability is for auditioning of the composition and producing demos for film scores, etc.
 
I think the price will be just under $600 which is about the price of Cubase itself.  It is probably 10x what most folks need for notation. The existing score editor in Cubase is more inline with what Sonar needs. Cubase has had this for some time and this fact has not influenced Cake to any real extent that I'm aware of.
I too, hope that Dorico spurs some response from Cakewalk but I am not holding my breath.

Of note:  The next version of Finale will be 64 bit and have some great new tools as well as fixes.

I would buy add-on notation in a heart-beat. I would actually prefer a bolt-on solution. Why should people with no use for notation pay for it.
Actually what I would really prefer is 'complete' implementation of Music-XML in Sonar (and perhaps in Notion, MusicScore, Finale, etc as needed) so that the user could could chose which notation add-on is appropriate.

microapp
I would buy add-on notation in a heart-beat. I would actually prefer a bolt-on solution. Why should people with no use for notation pay for it.
Actually what I would really prefer is 'complete' implementation of Music-XML in Sonar (and perhaps in Notion, MusicScore, Finale, etc as needed) so that the user could could chose which notation add-on is appropriate.

Here's the problem(s) -
1) As notation users, even we can't get our act together. I can definitely see why Cake would throw up their hands on the whole matter. But - if you wade back through the thread you'll find that most respondents are looking for staff based editing/entry tools - and mostly - to fix the bugs that have crept in and not been fixed over multiple product evolutions. I personally could'nt care less about music xml (well ok, it would be nice TOO). I DO want a proper, robust staff based EDITOR for MIDI entry/editing/creation, to augment working in the PRV. I can use anything else out there to print pretty notation (and do that currently).
2) While YOU are quick to say you'd pay for a bolt-on YOU want, can I get money back for things in SPlat I don't use - drum replacer for example?
I am just being a facetious ass - but my argument in the post above still stands. Yes I would pay (again) for notation too - but I would like the customer base of SONAR as a whole to be sensitive to the fact that Notation IS part of the SONAR core functionality, (until Cakewalk decides to change paths) - and pre-dates things like touch, mix recall, the pro-channel, drum replacer, ARA, skylight, etc.
 

 

Helene Kolpakova
I recorded the track almost entirely from my keyboard. With minor edits in the piano roll. And you guessed it, the current notation is a total mess. It's absolutely useless as it is right now.

It can probably be improved greatly with the right settings, and some additional editing in the PRV. Here are the main things you will need to do to get the piece to display well as notation:
 
- Record the piece to a click or align SONAR's timeline to it after the fact using Set Measure/Beat At Now (nothing will work as expected if the MIDI isn't closely aligned to the timeline with the correct meter(s) set).
- Manually split left- and right-hand parts of the original track to two new tracks, and designate those two tracks the bass and treble clefs of a grand staff in the Layout section of the Staff View.
- Quantize note start times of these two 'notation' tracks to 100% at the appropriate resolution.
- Set the Display Resolution appropriately, and enable Fill Durations and Trim Durations.
- In areas that still don't display as expected, you will probably need to to do some manual trimming/filling of durations in the PRV to get the desired result.
 
Depending on the style of the composition, there may still be things that SONAR can't get right,  but if it's a 'simple piece' as you described, you should be able to get a serviceable result.