I still say Cakewalk should team up with a 3rd party notation developer, incorporate a "lite" version into Sonar and offer an upgrade price to the full version. Exactly like they did with Melodyne. Although I'm sure the idea has already been hashed to death in this zillion page thread :)

Brettx
I bought Finale Printmusic 2011 to make lead sheets from my Sonar projects, only to discover that "import/export standard midi files" means "import/export standard but not lyrics and other metadata". Waste of $140.

Decent MusicXML support by both programs would solve that. 
 
I have never used SONAR's MusicXML, but I gather from the documentation that it is done only on a track-by-track basis, which rather misses the point.
 
Maybe this support needs to be improved, and if it were improved, it might reduce some of the concerns about staff view.
 
Coincidentally, today, Finale shipped an update that supports MusicXML 3.1, the latest standard.

jsg
Why would they do that?  Why remove a useful function?   I do not understand this company's vision at all.  

I doubt anybody "removed" it.  That would imply somebody was actually working on scroll view, which doesn't seem very likely.  It is probably just something that broke while making other changes and they don't test the scroll view much (if ever).  I have never used scroll view until the last couple of days.  It seems really inadequate on many levels.  I mentioned lack of enharmonics above.  I also couldn't find any obvious way to select a whole chord and move it at once.  Surely that must be possible, but all I could manage to do was move one note at a time.  It seems MusicXML is supported only one track at a time rather than being able to XML the entire composition over to a scoring program.  Lots of work needed just to bring this up to a very basic level of functionality by 2017 standards.

jsg
Select the chord and cut it, and then paste it where you want.

Let's say I want to move a chord from beat 1 to beat 2 in the same measure.  I figured I ought to be able to select all the notes in the chord.  I did that and they all lit up.  And from there, I should be able to drag the selected notes one beat to the right.  No, only the note I click on moves, not the other selected notes.

jsg
In that case better to just use SLIDE, and slide the chord over as many ticks as you need. 

That seems really tedious.  I believe working with "MIDI squares" or round notes should be essentially the same capability.  Drag operations that work in MIDI should work the same way when operating on note heads.  That seems like a very basic starting point.

Yeh I do as well but don't mine. Need to try that out later.

I'm still confused with note value key shortcuts...
 
If change them back to the numbers on the keypad what functions do I lose!
 
Bringing back note value icons would be cool too... I could then even  use my iphone using remote desktop!!!!!!
Think I've said this a few too many times though!
 
 

cparmerlee

jsg
In that case better to just use SLIDE, and slide the chord over as many ticks as you need. 

That seems really tedious.  I believe working with "MIDI squares" or round notes should be essentially the same capability.  Drag operations that work in MIDI should work the same way when operating on note heads.  That seems like a very basic starting point.

Perhaps to some, but selecting the chord, hitting 3 or right-clicking "slide" is about as quick and easy as it gets. 
the problem isn't that "round" notes are better than "square ones".  The problem is that the round note, because of the staff, also quickly identifies pitch and chromatic enharmonics, and in conjunction with beams, stems, dots and ties, and filled in round notes and unfilled in round notes, expresses minute details in rhythm and meter.  That is the where the capabilities differ, if you're referring to the difference between SMN and PRV.   
 
 

Kamikaze
I have never seen a decent video explaining how Staff view works.
I this Cakewalk should do one, and maybe they'd get why we are fussing, as the stumble through it. 

I don't think Cakewalk is unaware of the problems with staff view. They know. What to do about them, or whether to do anything at all, I believe, is the issue.

Kamikaze
I don't believe any of them use it though.

For sure. I don't blame them I don't (use it) either.

cparmerlee

Brando
For sure. I don't blame them I don't (use it) either.

It is a self-fulfilling prophesy. 
1) They have a crappy notation mode.
2) People who work heavily in notation to to Cubase, DP, or StudioOne / Notion.
3) Cakewalk observes none of their customers are interested in notation.
4) Go to step 1.
 
The caution is that the world is moving forward.  Just as sequencing merged with recording to create the DAW world, the next convergence is composition and production.  This is well underway with composers willing to work directly in MIDI.  But there is a huge base of composers / arrangers who still prefer to work in notation, or a combination of notation and MIDI.
 
Either participate in this convergence or be left behind.  That is the choice.

I agree. Staff view improvements is my number 1 FR though I haven't used Sonar's staff view for years. I am a lifetime subscriber, and currently use Notion 6 for Notation after the fact, and Sonar's PRV and live MIDI recording. Would love to be able to seamlessly switch views to edit interchangeably between SV and PRV.
I do suspect that Cake has yet to understand the importance of this.

chuckebaby
Im guessing analytics told Cakewalk something that every SV user doesn't want to hear.

You may be right, and that would just strengthen the self-fulfilling prophecy cycle mentioned above.
 
"Hey guys? Look, nobody is using score view.  I guess that means we don't need to waste any resources on it."
 
Too bad the analytics don't say WHY people aren't using a particular feature.

The adjustments being asked for in Staff View can very well be handled by restoring the Staff View Editing Tool interface to what was present in Cakewalk Professional and other the follow along products until relatively recently. The requested adjustments are not from 3rd party software. They are from Cakewalk itself.
 
Bear in mind I have been using Cakewalk for about 30 years.
I started out using Cakewalk Pro 4.0 for DOS. 
I currently use SONAR X3 and it frustrates me quite often mostly on this point. I am a composer.
The Staff View interface in Cakewalk for Windows 3.1 is the example you should look at.
The Editing Tool bar was right under the Transport Controls. The Tempo and Time/Key Signature interface was there next to the Transport Controls. It was an intuitive working layout and it is in Cakewalk's history. Look it up, adapt and revive.
You should combine this with some of the improvements present in the current interface like Guitar Grids and Hairpins.
 
I am a composer who often can play what I want long before I can tell you what it looks like.
I use the sequencer for live MIDI capture. The Notation software I was does a very poor job of live MIDI capture. 
Once I've analyzed and understand what I've played. I then move the MIDI export a full notation suite much like a rough cut gets sent to mix down for final polish. 
 
PS
I can send pictures if you can't find any.

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