I edited my message as you were posting Randy to say the same thing about U2 that you did about Vince Gill. So yeah, I agree with you.

Wow, Nectar! I was in a band that used to play "Magic is a Child". We all loved that song so much. Unfortunatly, the crowd would sit there like chimps staring at a clothes dryer.

Randy

With an alt/rock/progressive jazz band.

I guess I'm still confused to this day exactly what Alternative music is. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_rock if this is true, then it's just all the music that isn't radio friendly. Not that I don't listen to the radio, but IMO if your going to let radio stations and big music corporations decide what is good music, then your really missing out. Don't they have some sort of agenda here, perhaps money.

actually I'm closing in on 50, and still have an open mind.

Well, you don't sound it *at all*.

I see you like your titles non-confusing:

http://www.soundclick.com/bands/pagemusic.cfm?bandID=545099

ORIGINAL: Roflcopter

actually I'm closing in on 50, and still have an open mind.

Well, you don't sound it *at all*.

I see you like your titles non-confusing:

http://www.soundclick.com/bands/pagemusic.cfm?bandID=545099

that's funnythat's some of my youngest sons music and he wanted to see what others though of it That's not quite my style, but it's good that he's trying to do something unique, and hell he's only 15, and play guitar, bass, and drums very well. I actually forgot that was even there until this thread, so thanks for the head up.

I haven't read this whole thread, but it looks like it's taken a couple of wacky twists. Sure, I have my own ideas of which styles are "better" than others, but I think it all comes down to this:

ORIGINAL: jacktheexcynic
there's also something to be said about music as it relates to people. in my opinion, if your music doesn't relate to someone then that's true failure.

Righto. IMO, music is a form of communication just like a language. It depends not only on your ability to transmit BUT EQUALLY on your audience's ability to receive. Example: Latin is the language preferred by scholars, but is it really effective to write a book in Latin these days? No, you gotta dumb it down into good ole English (that's American English ) if you want to be effective.

So anyway, how does this lead back to the OP? I think you need to examine your reasons for wanting to go into music. If you just want to do it because it makes you feel good, I'd say it's more of a hobby than a career path. But on the other hand you have something important to "say", and you want to share it with like-minded individuals out there (no matter how many or how few), then go for it dude!

Wow, you're so far off into your own beliefs that I don't even think a long drawn out reply would serve any purpose at all, Joe.

I'll just cover the basics then:

Mike Mangini is currently teaching drums at Berklee. He's not teaching heavy metal, as you put it. He teaches Jazz. He is on record as the world's fastest drummer, and has played with bands varying from the heavy metal group Annihilator to Steve Vai. Same basics also go for the other two faculty I mentioned. Not sure where you got the idea they teach heavy metal, since last I checked Berklee is still a school that focuses mainly on Jazz theory and technique.

"Golly gee, a whole four albums!", if you'd counted, thats EIGHT albums, and I said "at least". Throw in the fact that he has released and also TOURED with each of these bands, in a two year time span, and yes... it really is "golly gee". I'm sure if he were to stay home and do nothing but session work his resume would expand exponentially.

In short, you are still attacking the forms of music you don't listen to. I'm sitting here saying I studied and love jazz, and play heavy metal. How you figure the I am the one with the 15 year old mentality equating talent with my own tastes is hard to fathom. I see talent everywhere, in every genre. Even stuff like rap, or techno, which I personally cannot stand. Meanwhile, you easily dismiss an entire segment of the music industry due to your own tastes. You also dismiss a musical format that has a 40 year lifespan as a "fad". Jazz, by the way, only has about 80 years. Many classical purists would bash your own beloved jazz as just as much of a "fad".

In closing, I must poke at your statement that "Jazz is the king of all musical genres. There's a reason why it's always been referred to as music for other musicians to listen to". Lately, I hear that kind of statement thrown around a lot more regarding metal bands such as Dream Theater. Check out a band like Candiria: they play very heavy metal music with odd times, grating guitars, and screaming/rapping for vocals. The members all recently recorded an album under the name of Ghosts of the Canal, a straight up improv jazz album.

I've given more than enough examples. Anyone reading this thread can easily read my responses to you and see for themselves that there are plenty of people playing metal that are talented, educated musicians who are more than capable of doing plenty of cross-genre session, teaching, and studio work. Bash it all you like, but it's still going to sound like an aging Jazz enthusiast clinging to his own beloved formats of past. In no way does your opinion realistically represent the CURRENT state of the music business, no matter how much you believe the opposite.

...and then there is classical. Let's see, the Strad and Guarneri violins are about 300 years old and still considered some of the best instruments on the planet. And the violin took quite some time to develop. So there is probably a good 400-600 years of classical history if one merely considers the violin. Add to that the liturgical background of western classical music and I think it's safe to say that it was/is not a passing trend.

The IMSLP currently has classical music score categories dating back to 1300AD and before. So that makes what......about 700 years of classical (or developmental classical) history.

Needless to say, I rarely get bent out of shape when these 'your genre is a passing fad' conversations come up.

ORIGINAL: Roflcopter

OK, we interrupt this flame war for a nice bit of music (this *is* the song forum, you know, and there 's Union rules and all that jazz, and we *are* halfway page 3, OK?)

Warning! Contains old person (O-rated). Only his fingers don't seem to have caught on yet.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=6lbvSBNLLoo

Hey, an actual musician! And a certified guitar player at that. of course I played like that when I was a baby.

My last word on the subject. Gotta go.

Love Billy

Heh. And here I just bought the new Megadeth CD.

"Wash me in blood and let me be
the first born of the dead"

lol. Jolly good fun that album.

ORIGINAL: APC3

ORIGINAL: Joe Bravo
Ditto as before. There are very few radio stations playing metal.

Wow, arrowhead was right, you really don't get out much.

If you think differently then apparently you aren't out at all. I've lived in more than twenty homes from Fort Richardson in Anchorage to Fort Dix in New Jersy with San Diego and Toledo, Ohio in between (including St. Louis where I now reside). I haven't noticed a single radio station playing heavy metal in the past ten years on a regular basis any place I've lived. And I can't think of any placed I've lived during that time that didn't have a full-time jazz station.

You have to listen to FM Seriously though, in Detroit there are, and have been for over 10 years, 3 full time heavy metal/hard rock stations. As matter a fact, I just went through the stations 3 or 4 times and could only find one station playing jazz. And to be honest, to me radio isn't my biggest source of music, no matter which station you listen to, you'll only hear at most a few songs from any particular album, usually the so called hits, and from my experience, most of my all time favorite songs have never been played on the air. Sometimes I wonder if you really are just having fun with us, if so it has been and is fun, you make me laugh a lot.

Radio being what it is, a corporate endeavor, I wouldn't expect to find anything other than pretty tame stuff there for the most part, as your list above pretty much proves. I don't think it says much about the popularity of any genre that doesn't fit within those corporate limits. Album sales probably is the better measure of that. Though, unfortunately, these days it's probably more like downloads (of the illegal kind) than actual sales.