Taurean Mixing
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Re: Relevant Question now - alternate DAWs?
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kennywtelejazz
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panup I'm in the same situation as space_cowboy with an exception that I still run SONAR in Windows 7 and thus Microsoft's updates will most likely not prevent me from running SONAR as long as I want to. However, I have to look for alternatives if development and maintenance is freezed. No need to do anything in a hurry but if SONAR 10.2017 is the last version in 2019 or 2020, I will look for alternatives. Reaper - tested in 2014; I didn't like it at all. S1 - tested in 2015. At that time SONAR won 6-0. ProTools - I used it in early 2000's and have still no reason to go back to the past. Cubase - was my alternative for SONAR in 2005. I went to SONAR because it worked and Cubase was unstable. Maybe, maybe.
Any thoughts on Samplitude? I have tested in the past myself, seemed like a viable alt.
IMHO, Samplitude is very good . I'm also a Samp user ..Pro X 2 . The learning curve can be a little tough . As far as the DAW itself goes and the included plugs and tools ...it is a top shelf DAW all the best, Kenny
Cool, thanks for your opinion Kenny. That's pretty much what I thought of it. I'd start learning it then just come right back to Sonar, it just always won me over, so I let Samp sit on the back burner. You know to this day, I don't think there is another DAW that allows the options in metering like Sonar does. It's often overlooked and indispensable.
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Re: Relevant Question now - alternate DAWs?
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☄ Helpfulby synkrotron 2017/11/21 17:17:51
Over the last year I've invested considerable time giving SO3 Pro and Reaper attention. Initially, SO3 was very quick to get going with and has a great set of features. At this point though, Reaper is my favorite. I had to find a theme, menu replacement and create my own toolbars to make it usable for me, but the good news is that those things can be done. I'll prolly keep SO3 up to date for a while to see how it shapes up, but for now it will be Reaper for me. Yes, SONAR will likely continue to work for a good long while, but I can't see getting behind with what I'll eventually have to move to anyway.
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Re: Relevant Question now - alternate DAWs?
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Studio One 3 Pro is £172.20 when added to my cart...
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Re: Relevant Question now - alternate DAWs?
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synkrotron Strike that... Studio One Artist is 32 bit... Does that matter? I dunno, but I'm all 64 bit this end...
32bit internal audio processing. It is 64bit as an application in Windows. Regards, Dan
Ah, right, thanks Dan. Artist requires an "add on" though to run VSTs so I'd have to find out how much that costs...
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Re: Relevant Question now - alternate DAWs?
2017/11/21 17:20:35
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synkrotron Strike that... Studio One Artist is 32 bit... Does that matter? I dunno, but I'm all 64 bit this end...
32bit internal audio processing. It is 64bit as an application in Windows. Regards, Dan
Ah, right, thanks Dan. Artist requires an "add on" though to run VSTs so I'd have to find out how much that costs...
Yeah, personally, I'd stick with Pro... Dan
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Re: Relevant Question now - alternate DAWs?
2017/11/21 17:22:21
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Can we now install on as MANY computers we want and use it on all of them at the same time? I'll get me coat.
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Re: Relevant Question now - alternate DAWs?
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Re: Relevant Question now - alternate DAWs?
2017/11/21 17:30:02
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Re: Relevant Question now - alternate DAWs?
2017/11/21 17:34:25
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kennywtelejazz That is not true at all ...do your self a favor and look here http://forum.cakewalk.com/Studio-One-Professional-Upgrade-Half-Price-m3686773.aspx Kenny
Thanks, Kenny. I had a look at that and it appears to be an upgrade and not a crossgrade. Am I looking in the right place?
Here check this out ...go here and then place it in the cart ...the Black Friday Sale Price will come up https://shop.presonus.com/products/new-noteworthy/Studio-One-3-Professional# the other thread I posted the link for is for reference and how to get a deal on the 3 rd party sellers and prices Kenny
Thanks, Kenny, yeah, I did that and Studio One Pro comes up as £172.20 I'd have to try the demo first...
Yes I saw you found a better deal I posted that higher priced link just for reference ... Kenny
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Re: Relevant Question now - alternate DAWs?
2017/11/21 17:37:39
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The problem is, if you switch to something else, what happens to all the legacy projects you created in Sonar? Can any of these other programs convert them?
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Re: Relevant Question now - alternate DAWs?
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☄ Helpfulby Rimshot 2017/11/21 21:33:24
raisindot The problem is, if you switch to something else, what happens to all the legacy projects you created in Sonar? Can any of these other programs convert them?
Why not use SONAR for the legacy projects and use new DAW when creating new projects? Other programs can not read SONAR projects. Best way to export a song is to export audio and MIDI tracks so that they all start from the project start. Then all the effects must be added manually to the new program. Most effects can store settings to files so it's possible to recall presets.
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Re: Relevant Question now - alternate DAWs?
2017/11/21 17:49:46
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will Harrison accept waves plugin is it a full daw
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Re: Relevant Question now - alternate DAWs?
2017/11/21 17:52:18
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panup I'm in the same situation as space_cowboy with an exception that I still run SONAR in Windows 7 and thus Microsoft's updates will most likely not prevent me from running SONAR as long as I want to. However, I have to look for alternatives if development and maintenance is freezed. No need to do anything in a hurry but if SONAR 10.2017 is the last version in 2019 or 2020, I will look for alternatives. Reaper - tested in 2014; I didn't like it at all. S1 - tested in 2015. At that time SONAR won 6-0. ProTools - I used it in early 2000's and have still no reason to go back to the past. Cubase - was my alternative for SONAR in 2005. I went to SONAR because it worked and Cubase was unstable. Maybe, maybe.
Any thoughts on Samplitude? I have tested in the past myself, seemed like a viable alt.
IMHO, Samplitude is very good . I'm also a Samp user ..Pro X 2 . The learning curve can be a little tough . As far as the DAW itself goes and the included plugs and tools ...it is a top shelf DAW all the best, Kenny
Cool, thanks for your opinion Kenny. That's pretty much what I thought of it. I'd start learning it then just come right back to Sonar, it just always won me over, so I let Samp sit on the back burner. You know to this day, I don't think there is another DAW that allows the options in metering like Sonar does. It's often overlooked and indispensable.
I have gone back and forth between using SONAR and Samplitude for years .... Kraznets u tube channel is probably the best place to learn Samplitude Kenny
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Re: Relevant Question now - alternate DAWs?
2017/11/21 17:57:58
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I've only used two music programs - Cakewalk since about 1990 and Dr T's KCS for the Atari. This thread is helping me decide what else to switch to if it comes to that. I know I can use Cakewalk for awhile, but it would be good to learn another program.
I thought maybe Cubase, which is one of the "industry leaders" but I'm not seeing a demo version available. Probably try Reaper or Studio One.
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Re: Relevant Question now - alternate DAWs?
2017/11/21 18:08:16
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I had Reaper for a while but found it, well, kind of geeky and FAR too full of parameters for this, parameters for that - a huge Christmas tree of stuck-on baubles; you might as while write the code yourself. I've had Studio One for long time and got well into it, but parked it a while back because it really doesn't cater for MIDI so well as Sonar. In fact, when it was first written the designers seemed to be of the opinion MIDI was a dying thing so hardly bothered with it all - there's no facility like Sonar's Instrument Definitions for using external MIDI hardware, for example. It's screens are cramped compared with Sonar's and text is small. My guess is that Sonar will continue, albeit with a small team behind it operating with very low overheads, kind of boutique-like.
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☄ Helpfulby Stone House Studios 2017/11/21 20:57:27
Interesting that no one has mentioned ABLETON yet :D
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Re: Relevant Question now - alternate DAWs?
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And i do imagine IF Cakewalk Sonar is truly gone ( though I sincerely hold out for good news, SONAR user since early 90s DOS days and depressed over this ) then other DAWs like Ableton and Studio One Pro etc might be offering Cakewalk users some very enticing crossgrade offers? BTW - I had a similar thing back when CALIGARI TRUESPACE went .. Had invested since beginning too ..
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Re: Relevant Question now - alternate DAWs?
2017/11/21 18:14:14
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Since I've used Wabelab for mastering for years, it makes sense that I go to Cubase, but this is no small decision. CW is the only DAW software I've ever owned. I think I'll keep using it until the wheels fall off. Maybe good news will come by then and make the decision easier--less difficult.
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Re: Relevant Question now - alternate DAWs?
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I've dabbled with Ableton, ever so briefly, and I didn't get on with it at all.
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Re: Relevant Question now - alternate DAWs?
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Re: Relevant Question now - alternate DAWs?
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Cakewalks SONAR SPlat is not the only DAW I have or use ....So I'm just gonna resist the primal urge to Panic I just hope the next time a software company decides to give me a Cactus Enema, they decide to use a lot of lube first . Kenny
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Re: Relevant Question now - alternate DAWs?
2017/11/21 18:45:03
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aidanodr Interesting that no one has mentioned ABLETON yet :D
I tried that and totally do not get the program. I think (and record) like a linear tape recorder. The ableton stuff seems so far off the mark of a linear tape recorder that I find it impossible to understand myself.
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Re: Relevant Question now - alternate DAWs?
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synkrotron I'm not even going to look into alternate DAWs until Sonar totally fails to operate. When that happens, I will be moving to Reaper which, in my opinion, is the closest to SONAR in terms of GUI and what have you.
Same - Love Sonar Platinum!! Running it on a Win 7 out of the box O/S on an i7-970. Have a great DAW, stable OS, great effects and instruments. Sitting fat dumb and happy until my hardware give up...... then, I reload from scratch, and I. Am. Ready!
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Re: Relevant Question now - alternate DAWs?
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I know that SPlat Staff View has never been a "state of the art" notation facility but I have always used that and the PRV for inputting/composition as I'm a VST/MIDI user far more than a user of the recording/audio facilities. Does anyone have any suggestions about which of the alternatives might be best for that type of usage ? I'm wondering if this might be an opportunity to eventually find a DAW with better notation integration. k
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Re: Relevant Question now - alternate DAWs?
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Just go to Studio One everyone
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Re: Relevant Question now - alternate DAWs?
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synkrotron I'm not even going to look into alternate DAWs until Sonar totally fails to operate. When that happens, I will be moving to Reaper which, in my opinion, is the closest to SONAR in terms of GUI and what have you.
Acid Pro 7 still working for me. Probably the same with Sonar. People can still run Project 5.
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Re: Relevant Question now - alternate DAWs?
2017/11/21 20:41:18
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bitflipper You all seem to be working from the assumption that SONAR is going to stop working on Friday. It won't.
i am four weeks from pulling the trigger on a brand new PC for recording. do i put a dead end DAW on it? or buy the latest version of sonar and do what i've done for the last almost 10 years? (i use sonar 6 professional on a win xp system, and it works just fine.)
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☄ Helpfulby wetdentist 2017/11/21 20:52:12
Agreed and also if anyone thinks Sonar is completely dead they need to calm down. X3 still works and you will all have a Platinum version that would work. All CW have to do is convert it to owned status then FREEZE a last known working OS If your concerned that Windows will break something. Sonar were doomed as a standalone operation without any high profit hardware to package. My feeling is that we will see a new DAW/hardware outfit rise out of the ashes. As for lifetime updates well I could see that was never going to work so I avoided it and stayed with my monthly subscription. Now all I have to do is make sure I'm running the latest version in Command Centre before the taps are turned off.
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Re: Relevant Question now - alternate DAWs?
2017/11/21 20:55:50
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Not sure anyone is panicking here. There's nothing wrong with weighing your options and planning ahead.
I'm hearing a lot of "calm down" and "don't panic" but I'm not seeing anyone panicking. Maybe that's just me.
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Re: Relevant Question now - alternate DAWs?
2017/11/21 20:56:42
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Well I am hoping to get a lot of years out of Sonar, even if there are no new updates. But there is always the risk that Windows updates or the need for new hardware, or authorization problems could break it at some point if there is no maintenance. I am thinking I need a two fold strategy. - Ensure I keep WAV stems and MIDI files of my projects so they can be recreated in another DAW.
- In the longer term identify another DAW and learn it, probably by buying the most basic version, so I am not confronted by a massive learning curve IF Sonar becomes unworkable.
I had tried both Reaper and Studio One in the past and liked neither of them, but I think Studio One has come on a lot since then (MIDI was terrible when I last tried it) so maybe its time to try the demo again. I have heard Cubase has the best MIDI implementation so I will also be looking there.
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