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Re: Relevant Question now - alternate DAWs?
2017/11/22 04:13:07
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husker Thanks. Doesn't support external bank change though. As much as I hate the dongle, the Midi implementation of Cubase is legendary.
If you use external synth hardware, which is the way I started out, MIDI implementation is important. Back in the day there were really only a few choices for MIDI sequencers on Windows... Cubase, Logic, MOTU, and Cakewalk. If you are on Windows, that choice today narrows to 3 original mainstays, as Logic is only available on the Mac now. So with the recent news, subtract Cakewalk, and the choice narrows even further. Have nothing bad to say about MOTU, but my belief is that their focus is on Mac. So Steinberg Cubase, eh? Not too shabby, as music technology goes, as they invented ASIO, and VST.
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Re: Relevant Question now - alternate DAWs?
2017/11/22 04:22:22
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Yeah, think so. Already talked to Sweetwater about the Cubase cross grade. I got a Christmas bonus from work, so part of that will go to a new Daw I guess. Certainly will miss Sonar, but am excited about some of the Midi and compositional tools in Cubase.
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Re: Relevant Question now - alternate DAWs?
2017/11/22 04:33:42
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Glyn Barnes Well I am hoping to get a lot of years out of Sonar, even if there are no new updates. But there is always the risk that Windows updates or the need for new hardware, or authorization problems could break it at some point if there is no maintenance. I am thinking I need a two fold strategy.- Ensure I keep WAV stems and MIDI files of my projects so they can be recreated in another DAW.
- In the longer term identify another DAW and learn it, probably by buying the most basic version, so I am not confronted by a massive learning curve IF Sonar becomes unworkable.
I had tried both Reaper and Studio One in the past and liked neither of them, but I think Studio One has come on a lot since then (MIDI was terrible when I last tried it) so maybe its time to try the demo again. I have heard Cubase has the best MIDI implementation so I will also be looking there.
Also heading to Cubase. Seems to have more of what I would need than Studio One - but those are the only two in my thoughts. Ableton has a big following but it is so ugly I wouldn't even want to try it.
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abacab
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Re: Relevant Question now - alternate DAWs?
2017/11/22 04:37:56
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Steve Bolivar Nobody has mentioned it yet and a bit out of left-field but Waveform by Tracktion looks nice. I do a mix of MIDI/virtual instruments, wav and REX loops, and live recording. It looks like it's worth a trial download. Current prices are $99-$200 depending on how many extras you get. Maybe I'm easily impressed but the intro video was impressive.
I got into Waveform earlier this year as a secondary DAW, and I can say that it exceeds expectations. The basic package for $99 is really all that you need. https://www.tracktion.com/products/waveform It is a very intuitive tool for quick recording or arranging, and lets you focus on music rather than detailed tasks. It also has a lot of advanced features for editing clips and loops, as well as using multiple browser windows at once to preview loops. If you are into MIDI, the PRV editor can open in a separate editing window. The MIDI pattern generators can also produce bass lines, chords, arpeggios, etc., within your project key and chosen chord progressions. That is well worth the price of admission, as far as I am concerned! You may still want to have a full featured DAW for mixing and mastering your project, but this is a great tool for capturing musical ideas.
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Re: Relevant Question now - alternate DAWs?
2017/11/22 04:46:12
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husker I got a Christmas bonus.
Oh yeah?? Can I split it with You? Check your PM.
Checkout my new song: Playing on YouTube: EUPHORIA.
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Re: Relevant Question now - alternate DAWs?
2017/11/22 04:46:37
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husker Yeah, think so. Already talked to Sweetwater about the Cubase cross grade. I got a Christmas bonus from work, so part of that will go to a new Daw I guess. Certainly will miss Sonar, but am excited about some of the Midi and compositional tools in Cubase.
I tried a demo of the Cubase 9 Elements ($99) earlier this year, and was impressed with the MIDI composition tools in there. The chord track, the circle of fifths assistant, and the other chord tools were impressive! https://www.steinberg.net/en/products/cubase/cubase_elements.html
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Re: Relevant Question now - alternate DAWs?
2017/11/22 04:49:49
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Like bitflipper said Sonar won't break tomorrow (or something to that effect). Gibson may continue (or try) to sell SPLat for years. However, from what I have seen so far, I like what I see in Studio One and the hardware Presonus offers. Presonus appears to have a HW integration that Roland nor Gibson were interested in exploring.
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abacab
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Re: Relevant Question now - alternate DAWs?
2017/11/22 04:53:05
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lawajava
Glyn Barnes Well I am hoping to get a lot of years out of Sonar, even if there are no new updates. But there is always the risk that Windows updates or the need for new hardware, or authorization problems could break it at some point if there is no maintenance. I am thinking I need a two fold strategy.
- Ensure I keep WAV stems and MIDI files of my projects so they can be recreated in another DAW.
- In the longer term identify another DAW and learn it, probably by buying the most basic version, so I am not confronted by a massive learning curve IF Sonar becomes unworkable.
I had tried both Reaper and Studio One in the past and liked neither of them, but I think Studio One has come on a lot since then (MIDI was terrible when I last tried it) so maybe its time to try the demo again. I have heard Cubase has the best MIDI implementation so I will also be looking there.
Also heading to Cubase. Seems to have more of what I would need than Studio One - but those are the only two in my thoughts. Ableton has a big following but it is so ugly I wouldn't even want to try it.
I would say that if you are into MIDI, realize that Cakewalk, Cubase, and Logic started out as MIDI sequencers that later added audio. Just saying...
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Re: Relevant Question now - alternate DAWs?
2017/11/22 04:56:29
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Downloading Studio One now to try. It is kind of ironic, I've been "working" on my studio and recording for more years than I care to admit and only this summer began really recording with Sonar. I've had versions of it since before it was called Sonar . . . and paid them much money over the years b/c I was just about to get serious about recording. While there may yet be a future for Sonar, I'm prepared to switch to a stable company. I hope I like Studio One.
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Re: Relevant Question now - alternate DAWs?
2017/11/22 05:43:51
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I love Studio One. I have much respect and love for Cakewalk and Sonar, but I've barely opened it since I started using Studio One this past Spring. Workflow is insanely fast.
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Re: Relevant Question now - alternate DAWs?
2017/11/22 05:46:14
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Ditto, I jumped ship back when Studio One 3 was released, never looked back (nothing to look back for now I guess)
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Re: Relevant Question now - alternate DAWs?
2017/11/22 06:20:39
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☄ Helpfulby tparker24 2017/11/22 17:57:18
I wanted to love Studio One, but my heart just wasn't in it. It's not a bad multitrack recording platform, but its MIDI sequencing capabilities are below par. It doesn't even record SysEx, which makes it unusable with my Korg Kronos. No where do they mention they have a crippled MIDI implementation. I've recently gotten into Harrison Mixbus. It has a lovely, console-oriented workflow, great sound and decent MIDI capabilities. It's based on Arduour, so there's a reduced risk of vendor lockin. It's also dirt-cheap at the moment: $29 with the Black Friday sales. Though as I mentioned, I mainly sequence and record in hardware now. It just works and the limitations actually breed creativity for me.
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Re: Relevant Question now - alternate DAWs?
2017/11/22 06:39:36
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☄ Helpfulby cool 2017/11/22 07:53:18
Nothing compares to Sonar. Nothing. Nope. Zip. I just spent the whole day with Studio One 3.5. I will continue to peck away at it, but what it lacks is simply not gonna cut it for me. They may be there, somewhere, but I have not found them yet: Comping mode Pro Channel Multidock tons of little things... Sonar's GUI smokes this cartoonish little newcomer. Sonar is gold, and we had it in our hands. Right now, there is no other choice for me. ...although Maschine 2 is lookin good.
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Re: Relevant Question now - alternate DAWs?
2017/11/22 07:25:21
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Checked out Studio One.... Hate the gaudy, cartoony look of it. I, personally, love the Concrete Limiter, the CA-2A, the Quad Curve EQ, and the Console Emulator (Neve setting). It's gonna be real hard to replace those, for my particular sound.
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kenny@vhprecords.com
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Re: Relevant Question now - alternate DAWs?
2017/11/22 07:27:52
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I will be looking at Reaper, Studio One or dare I even mention "alls I have" Protools! Anyone care to comment?
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Re: Relevant Question now - alternate DAWs?
2017/11/22 07:40:52
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I'm going to look into Cubase. I was impressed with some of the notation features, plus the person whom I record with the most is a classically trained musician so it looks the best fit.
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Re: Relevant Question now - alternate DAWs?
2017/11/22 07:40:57
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☄ Helpfulby Rimshot 2017/11/22 12:56:23
kenny@vhprecords.com I will be looking at Reaper, Studio One or dare I even mention "alls I have" Protools! Anyone care to comment?
Just demo them all, and don't give in to familiarity, ie, get pissed off because you can't do 'x' in a product you have only been using for a couple of minutes as quick as you can in something you have been using for years, give whatever you try the time and effort it and you deserve. We all have different needs, the only one who can tell you what is best for you is you. demo demo demo, then demo some more, pick what suits you the best.
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Re: Relevant Question now - alternate DAWs?
2017/11/22 07:53:21
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Tried the Presonus demo and instantly did not care for the less than refined look. Plus it looks like its missing some advanced features that SONAR has. Guess I will give Cubase a go now..
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Re: Relevant Question now - alternate DAWs?
2017/11/22 08:07:20
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☄ Helpfulby tparker24 2017/11/22 18:00:53
It seems I'm staying with the Sonar. StudioOne is not such an easy way to escape, as described above. After several hours of use, I came to the fact that in Sonar many things in editing midi are done much, much easier. Sonar - is great DAW! I will continue to use (investigate) the Reaper and StudioOne as an additional daw, but the first hours of getting to know them, especially with regard to midi editing - is PAIN I advise you not to rush to throw out money, install free versions of programs to begin with, in order to understand what will be encountered in real work. Until the end of Black Friday there are a couple more days you still have time to part with the money :)
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paul jenkins
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Re: Relevant Question now - alternate DAWs?
2017/11/22 08:18:31
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oh well.....I'm back to recording song ideas on a tape recorder.....and I'm selling all my gibsons!!! Whats the point of anything, people die, companies go arse up.......why did I ever waste my time and money on this.......pissed off paul!!! I cant afford to just go out and buy all new stuff!!! My older brother was right.....don't waste your money on music!!!! For gods sake Gibson.........ahhhhhhhhhhhhgrrrrrr.........
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Re: Relevant Question now - alternate DAWs?
2017/11/22 10:27:33
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Gibson should provide lifetime users a license of a DAW of similar status of SPLAT according to the choice of the user.
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Re: Relevant Question now - alternate DAWs?
2017/11/22 11:31:15
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i will go on with Sonar platinum till all servers down or my computer and other softwares begin to crash. After that next daw may cubase.
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paul jenkins
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Re: Relevant Question now - alternate DAWs?
2017/11/22 11:49:39
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yep....then maybe reason or studio one..........................................................................................or my boss 16 track, cause it never updates!!!!
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Re: Relevant Question now - alternate DAWs?
2017/11/22 12:29:28
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kenny@vhprecords.com I will be looking at Reaper, Studio One or dare I even mention "alls I have" Protools! Anyone care to comment?
Back years ago when Sonar 8.5 came out and I would have needed a new computer I said F'it and went Mac and straight into ProTools 10. Bit of a learning curve and there were some things in workflow that didn't straight out translate over but I got my head around that. Was able to pull my old audio and MIDI tracks from Sonar into PT no problem. Then PT11 came out and we got faster than real time bounce and a few other tidbits. PT12 is the current version with a lot more goodies. I don't have that because I don't need what's in there. There is a limited version of PT12 called PT First that doesn't need a dongle. Also PT12 now has monthly/yearly subscription for the program as well as getting a permanent license asset. Sorting through the different license options is a bit of a chore; I suggest taking a look at Avid.com and/or the DUC (the PT forums) and look around and ask there. In this journey with PT when PT12 dropped I also got into Digital Performer. Both PT and DP are dual platform - Mac and PC. DP is a lot like old style Sonar before we got true instrument tracks. DP's instrument tracks only host the vi - that's it. You till have to go old school with separate MIDI tracks. With DP you can have multiple sequences which essentially means you could have multiple tunes in one DP project. No dongle needed for DP and there's only one version that does it all. They do have a free fully functional 30 day trial. One of the good things historically is DP will run on just about anything out there - you don't need the latest/greatest computer out there. Downside with DP - the user community sucks. Ask rookie questions over on Motunation (not a part of MOTU which programs DP) and if it even sounds like you haven't read the manual then you get roasted big time. There is a forum over on Gearslutz that doesn't get a lot of traffic. Also a presence on Facebook but I don't go there.
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Re: Relevant Question now - alternate DAWs?
2017/11/22 12:32:41
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paul jenkins yep....then maybe reason or studio one..........................................................................................or my boss 16 track, cause it never updates!!!!
Good thing with Reason - you can now host vst format plugins in it. VST2 only with no plans to use VST3 as of now. Reason tends to be rather stable. I have Reason 8 but only use it in Rewire mode into PT or DP. I don't record into it. Oh yeah - you can now authorize Reason to your computer - you don't need the Steinberg h/w dongle anymore.
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paul jenkins
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Re: Relevant Question now - alternate DAWs?
2017/11/22 12:40:43
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The biggest thing I'm sad about....I'm a novice....sonar and this forum hosted for novices like me.....no I'm not a novice musician..im pro/semi pro.....but learning to use the software..sonar and this user forum was the best thing since jesus got hung on a cross like structure.......I'm very disappointed!!!!...can nothing ever be simple, and user friendly with no consequences????
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Re: Relevant Question now - alternate DAWs?
2017/11/22 12:48:26
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Does Studio One still have no support for sysx? or they have added it?
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Re: Relevant Question now - alternate DAWs?
2017/11/22 13:03:37
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i moved to studio one, no regrets
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paul jenkins
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Re: Relevant Question now - alternate DAWs?
2017/11/22 13:09:07
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as ive said before......aas long as addictive drummer2, ansd all the extended plugins ive spent a lot of money on, work in studio one and other daws...ill calm down.....but there is no way am I going to re-buy all that ****!!!!!
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Re: Relevant Question now - alternate DAWs?
2017/11/22 13:29:20
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there's only a small number of the plugs bundled with sonar that won't work in other daws, someone posted a checklist/screenshot in another thread already
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