ORIGINAL: imotic

i think sending the requests to Cakewalk in list form would be a great idea, provided we do a great deal more work in formatting the list. I've thought about setting up a bugzilla or sourceforge style feature tracker, but i probably don't have time... but a more organized approach is definitely needed. if we can put this in some sort of order, then cakewalk will be able to use it that much faster, and take it that much more seriously.

Very well said...all who have contributed especially planist have put in alot of effort and time to comprise what is in effect, possibly the best single resource for ideas and suggestions for Sonar 4 from current Sonar *users*.

Hopefully planist is on the case, as development has already started on Sonar 4

hey,

ron kuper already stated that he is reading this thread, even though he hasnt said anything to it yet.

i agree, that a better organized list AND a priority list (3 wishes should be good) has way more chance of getting recognized by cakewalk.

ok, when i added some of the new requests a while ago i looked through pages 1-6. so pages 7-11 are missing in the list yet. also, the list as you all have said has to be better organized.

1. if you have any suggestions on how to organize the list, post them here and i try to renew it.
2. second thing is look through 7-11 and summarize the FRs.

i go on vacations next week, i hope i get the time. if not someone else has to continue.

I love this forum!!

Jeff

JLGRIMES:

i know, this is for 5 but you never know what cakes gonna implement so i add your great FR as well.

"What pattern based composition is allowing a user to compose whole songs using prerecorded or user made patterns. They can be midi or audio or a mixture of both. Patterns would be classified into two types micropatterns and macropatterns. Micropatterns would be what is already contained in project 5, merely groove clips (midi or audio) which would allow users to duplicate patterns by dragging the clip with a mouse. Sonar basically already has this function with midi and audio groove clips, but there should be a user specified function that would record new midi patterns as midi groove clips (I know auto converted audio groove clips would be a pain). (Sonar would probably round to the next measure by default, but should be editable by users as well) That would speed up the process for users who want to use this function. Sonar probably could make this feature in version 4 fairly easily. What would be interesting though would be macropatterns.

Macropatterns are essentially segments of a whole Sonar project that would be defined by loop markers. In essence you can think of the whole song you create in Sonar as one huge macropattern if you loop the start and end. Once a macropattern is defined it would basically still function as a normal Sonar loop (able to add more tracks, do piano roll editing, mixing, audio, midi plugins and Cal). The power would lie in using more than one macropattern. Within a project if a user defines a new macropattern, a blank project screen opens up that looks similar to a normal Sonar session. In here the user can either record, import, or copy from previous macro new tracks. The second macro can be used for the bridge of a song for example. Once two or more macros are defined, a user can switch between them using some sort of dropdown screen like the markers view or maybe key commands. When prompted to switch to a new macro command, the program will wait for the current macro to reach the end loop marker and then switch seamlessly with no gaps to the new macro sort of like Abelton Live.

There can also be a macropattern arrangement page where users can chain various macro patterns in different orders sort of like a play list. Once sequenced a new macropattern can be created which can be the final properly arranged song. There can even be a mode that renders your changes in macropatterns in realtime to new audio and midi clips.


I think this feature would allow users to organize different sections of songs even better than folder tracks. It will also allow you to audition new arrangements and help users decide on transitions better. This idea is sort of akai mpcish but also allows audio as well as midi to be switched (mpc's only do midi loops). This feature would rival live in the instances of previewing arrangements.

Should Sonar have this feature or not? Or please offer suggestions on how this feature can be improved. "

Along with 32-bit float export, a nice built-in dither, with selectable noise shaping (corner and slope) and noise distributions (uniform, triangular, bell), limiting level for full-scale, and if possible, integration with a nice soft limiter with peak/rms stats for good judgement of full-scale level. (Maybe better integration with Sonitus multiband.) All this is to support exporting and bouncing with good fidelity and ease, not necessarily to replace a 3rd-party Mastering suite, but also so that it could serve in a pinch or as a "quick master" for certain projects.

Yes. This would be a great feature!

ORIGINAL: JDC

. . . lots of good stuff here . . . . I don't think it has been suggested - but the feature I would like to see added is a variable to the "add 3dB/decrease 3dB" processing editing tool. I would like to be able to type in the dB amount - or better yet - be able to highlight an area of an audio track, double-click and have a fader appear! Cool! Than be able to move the fader and WATCH the highlighted area increase/decrease in real-time. I don't know - is that just too simple and elementary to be regarded as unprofessional?

anyone has a more exact list of features in 4 ?

Also...just for good posturing...I think a complete over hall with the aforementioned would be good and just one more step would be the addition of the merging of Sonar and Project5 in one platform...if they aren't current;y working on the concept. Whereby, it's not rewired! But systhesized into the interface, and maybe call it SONAR PRODUCER DELUXE!

I actually learned quite a bit by your suggestions.

I think I know where you were going with this. You wanted to distinguish yourself from the novice user, and the folks that seem to have a propensity to complain on the forum, in hopes that your pleas would be heard.

You may have accomplished just that.

I for one couldn't make it through your entire laundry list however, and I'm willing to bet most others couldn't either.

I made it about halfway with pretty rapt attention, so I guess my only suggestion would be, next time you do this, prioritize, and make it a bit shorter.

Other than that I think it's great that there is a forum where the company actually listens and gleans ideas, and consumers are willing to take the time out to help them make a better product.

Well Done!

Back to the top you gogogo!

There was a thread just a little while ago regarding wavefile picture cache. I believe this should be a setting in the global options, rather than having to edit the AUD.INI. I thought it was for some reason.

No it's in the INI file I'm at work now and don't have the name handy. All of the INI files are exposed through Sonar Utils along with the ability to add to the Tools menu and cleanup excess midi driver entries in the registry.

Please stop bouncing this thread around like a basketball. We all know it's here. Subscribe to the thread, and forget it (please). If anybody posts, we'll all be notified. I really don't want to unsubscribe to this thread, but if you continue to make useless posts and filling my email Inbox with garbage, I'm gonna tell on you. Planist is a good citizen, and he has been diligent to bounce it up whenever something of any value gets posted.

I think I know where you were going with this. You wanted to distinguish yourself from the novice user, and the folks that seem to have a propensity to complain on the forum, in hopes that your pleas would be heard.

You may have accomplished just that.

i dont quite get what you want to say, but the whole idea of this thread was to list all possible improvements that the forum members can think of. and when you look at the actual sonar 4 feature on the web there are lots of them implemented. ron kuper has steted that he looks at this list. i did not want ot distinguish myself or the others from the novice users.. ;) there are just people with wishes and people without

I for one couldn't make it through your entire laundry list however, and I'm willing to bet most others couldn't either.

I made it about halfway with pretty rapt attention, so I guess my only suggestion would be, next time you do this, prioritize, and make it a bit shorter.

like is said, i think there is no use of priorizing the list before we all have sonar4 in our hands (whose development is finished by now - i would say)

after that i would love to start a thread like Sonar 4.1 or Sonar 5 Feature Requests ;)

regards, jeff

i just finished reading thru all the sonar 4 pages on the net and im really excited about the "wave-part-mute" tool inside a clip. its a great idea to still see the muted parts of the wave - so vocal editing is going to be soo much faster......


lookin forward to my first projects with 4

Bumping in regards to this thread: RE: SONAR 4.1 - FR LIST (in reply to planist)

"Loop" record mode behavior without having to loop (means you can stop and dicsuss the previous take and still get the same thing).

Tracks layers anytime a multiple take is made on the same track.

Auto mute of any clip that is totally covered by another clip or all clips on a track with record enabled. (harmonies and doubling goes on another track, where it belongs.)