cparmerlee

Anderton
Let's get real: a professional DAW costs a few hundred dollars. It is within the range of everyone; SONAR Artist costs $99.

 
But that is exactly why some people object to this offering.  The value that you get for the $99 Sonar Artist is unbelievable.  Are you going to try to tell me that Sonar Artist is the same value as downloading a handful of hi res files processed by LANDR?  I don't think so.

I understand the argument that maybe Landr is doing what a not-very-experienced mastering engineer would charge 10x or 20x as much for.  And on that basis, maybe it is good value.  But when you compare it with what one gets for $100 these days, it sure seems to me like the pricing is out of line -- so far out of line that it starts to feel sleazy.

Maybe that's not fair, but most of us have some kind of budget for our studios.  I have a long list of VSTs I'd like to buy one of these days.  Most of them cost about what 10-20 processed files would cost from LANDR.  If LANDR was a truly superior product that we couldn't live without and for which there were no good alternatives, then they (and their partner Cakewalk) would be free to charge whatever they wanted.  But for me, the offering is not fairly priced, so I am more likely to put my money on tools that seem to be a better value.

And while this debate is raging what we DIDN'T get were fixes for the most vexing problems and weaknesses within Sonar.

I have paid my subscription for 2016 already, so it isn't like I am a Sonar hater, but we do seem to have a marketplace where the various DAW vendors are making choices to specialize.  Ableton has always concentrated on the live performance.  Protools has always concentrated on the professional studio environment.  The other DAWs were mostly jack-of-all-trades products.  We now seem to be seeing a separation where some DAWs are chasing after the ProTools space (concentration on the recording/mixing/mastering world) and other DAWs are more friendly to composers (having better MIDI editing, music notation, and arranging features.)  The features and fixes delivered since the SOnar subscription process began are very heavily loaded to the recording/production side rather than the composition/creative side.  That's just the way it is and eventually people most interested in the creative side may have to go elsewhere.

jbow
@Javahut....  no professional or semi-professional or even serious sound hobbyist cares anything about LANDR
 
You know what? This is an offensive statement. You don't know what other people value or like or what may be a help to other people. It is an insult to Kenny, Craig, and others IMO.

kennywtelejazz

anotherpaul
I am not going to bag or praise LANDR mostly because I can't find / use it.
It is there as an option in the export area, it is also in the utilities, but if i try to use it I get (Tool not found:'C;\Program Files (x86)\LANDR Audio\LANDR\Landr.exe'
I understand that it is most likely I am doing something wrong but if someone could point me in the right direction that would be great 

Were you online when you did all of that ? and have you set up an account w them yet ?
IIRC, that has to be done even for the free use of LANDR if you want them to convert so you can access the  30 second preview mode .
 
Kenny

Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk]
I'm pretty sure that Kenny who is the OP has more than enough chops to add a simple eq notch to his recording to compensate.
In either case most SONAR users learn how how to use EQ pretty fast so I wouldn't consider that to be expert knowledge unlike mastering.

Anderton
Your patronizing attitude toward musicians who may be extremely talented in many other ways but don't know how to master is insulting. 

Anderton
You apparently don't understand the difference between mixing and mastering if you think that LANDR is a "solution for people who have no idea how to prepare a rough mix for themselves or their clients." Maybe I missed it but where has anyone, in any of these threads, talked about doing rough mixes for clients? 

Anderton
"As I've said in so many workshops, there are what I call "Mastering with a capital M" (mission-critical mastering) and "mastering with a small m" (the example of mastering a daughter's piano recital or the audio coming off a camcorder). Something like LANDR has no problem doing the mastering stuff. But Mastering is about much more than processing, it's about making artistic decisions, which at least in my case often requires waveform-level editing. No preset can accommodate that, but that kind of detail is why people use professional mastering engineers. "

Anderton
"I suspect most of the people dissing the concept haven't read the eZine to realize the applications this opens up that a) have little, if anything, to do with traditional mastering, "

LANDR
Master with LANDR. Add more colour and clarity to your sound.

Anderton
You misrepresent and inaccurately paraphrase what I say. I can think of only two reasons for doing that: you truly don't understand what I'm saying, or the rationale for your agenda falls apart if you represent what I say accurately.

Cakewalk
BOSTON, MA (FEBRUARY 23, 2016) – Cakewalk, dedicated to powerful and thoughtfully designed software for modern musicians, announces a partnership with LANDR, the cloud-based audio post-production mastering platform. Through this partnership, SONAR users will be able to export their mix directly to LANDR and master it at any point during the production process. This marks LANDR’s first full integration with a DAW and gives SONAR users more options to finalize masters directly from the software. 

Anderton 
I wrote a conciliatory post that explained how someone who has a singular definition of mastering based on what it was in the past is "right" to feel the way you do, just as those who are open-minded to recognize that the nature of mastering has changed over the years are "right" to embrace tools like LANDR (or Har-Bal, for that matter, which was greeted with similar derision by close-minded people when it was introduced). You ignored it. I tried to conduct a civilized dialog with you, yet all you can do is keep repeating points that have already been refuted. This is apparently your modus operandi, because it's exactly the same M.O. as in your previous series of posts in a different thread where you kept complaining about having to pay money for content you found generic and substandard in SONAR. Yet when invited to give some examples of said content, you did not...so I can only conclude you could not.

Anderton 
Your stating repeatedly that you feel "the most basic of skills" in "slapping EQ and a limiter combo on the master bus" means that someone is capable of mastering their material speaks for itself.

Anderton
I've presented several practical examples of how to use LANDR for applications beyond traditional mastering. I apologize for not explaining them with sufficient clarity that you could understand them, but most people did, so overall it was worth the time to do so.