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Re: SampleTank 3 Release
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Let me get this straight...It's almost the middle of February 2014 and ST3 is still not released? Are you freakin' kidding me? How do you IK reps sleep at night after all the garbage you've shoveled at us after all this time? If you hadn't extolled the virtues of this glorious product for so long, I wouldn't have cared. But you did, ad nauseam, and you STILL haven't delivered. Cakewalk has basically given you carte blanche to ply your wares here in their forums and all you have succeeded in doing is abusing our trust and angering your once loyal customers. By staying here in these forums you are underachieving. Your skills are better suited for big time politics. Seriously, you deserve every bit of vitriol that is being spewed at you. You're a disgrace. <rant over>
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Re: SampleTank 3 Release
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Re: SampleTank 3 Release
2014/02/11 22:07:13
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Thanks Super G!!!! I love it!
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Re: SampleTank 3 Release
2014/02/11 22:55:15
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Re: SampleTank 3 Release
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MachineClaw
cclarry This is the same EXACT thing we've heard for MONTHS....ad nauseum...
Blah blah blah...
Face it...the vast majority of "Pros" are pretty much done with SampleTank based on the MAJOR LACK OF SUPPORT over the years. I'm sure you'll pay off many "top guys" to promote your program to increase sales. As I've stated over and over...there will be MARKETING HYPE TO BEAT THE BAND!!! (lterally)
Most have moved on to "other" products, that ARE supported, and where, when they INVEST THEIR HARD EARNED MONEY... the don't have to wait 11 years to get a return... AND listen to crap for years about the "next version".
Seriously....you better sell this for PEANUTS.....and HOPE that SOMEONE buys it... The "Newbies" that you GAVE ST 2.5 to will "fall for" your hype. But those of us who have been around won't. Sorry.
I invested FAR TO MUCH to be "left hanging" for so long, as did many others...
I wish ST3 the best...but if ANYONE out there has ANY sense...they'll PASS.
Sorry I JUST do not get it, why you are on such a crusade. You bought a product and it worked for a long time (still works), and WAS upgraded since it was initially released hence the name SampleTank 2.5. Now they are a redoing the sounds, providing a new version and your projecting onto IK. Nobody promised you a rose garden. You bought a product that delivered and you used it, you cared about it. Now after a long time they are going to improve said product and include things that you and many users want AND going to provide an upgrade path so the price will be cheaper to you than buying a new product. I truly do not believe that IK can do anything to appease you from the posts you and some others have posted. I don't get it. new product with new content and new features - yeah I will probably buy it, as an upgrade. why not more sounds in my library to have.
Machine, You are obviously TOTALLY oblivious to what has happened here with SampleTank. The LAST update to this program was almost 5 years ago.. They've been promising ST3 for almost 5 years...and not delivered anything but "smoke". They took all their resources and invested them in iCrap...and left this product, and it loyal customers hanging about a "new" version. Once they capitalized on the iCrap market they updated T-Racks and Amplitube to their Custom Shop model, and STILL left the product that got NO ATTENTION, and it's customers hanging. NOW they want to "Hype" this program after resting on their laurels with it for 5 years. It's NOT the product per se...it's the WAY THEY CHOSE TO DO IT... And I highly recommend being more "in the know" about the "what's and who's and where's" before interjecting in a conversation that you obviously know so little about. Those of us who have been customers for YEARS and invested THOUSANDS and got very little to NO support, but were LIED TO REPEATEDLY (in a round about way even) are the ones with the problem... and it's TOTALLY justified...whether YOU think so or not.... I'm not trying to be rude...but my "Crusade" as you call it is COMPLETELY JUSTIFIED... Just ask anyone who KNOWS the WHOLE STORY...not just "bits and pieces" and you'll find I'm right. If YOU want to invest YOUR money in this...that's YOUR prerogative...and YOU can wait 11 years for the "new" version...those of us who KNOW better....WON'T!!! SmokeyJ628
MachineClaw
cclarry This is the same EXACT thing we've heard for MONTHS....ad nauseum... Blah blah blah... Face it...the vast majority of "Pros" are pretty much done with SampleTank based on the MAJOR LACK OF SUPPORT over the years. I'm sure you'll pay off many "top guys" to promote your program to increase sales. As I've stated over and over...there will be MARKETING HYPE TO BEAT THE BAND!!! (lterally)
Most have moved on to "other" products, that ARE supported, and where, when they INVEST THEIR HARD EARNED MONEY... the don't have to wait 11 years to get a return... AND listen to crap for years about the "next version".
Seriously....you better sell this for PEANUTS.....and HOPE that SOMEONE buys it... The "Newbies" that you GAVE ST 2.5 to will "fall for" your hype. But those of us who have been around won't. Sorry.
I invested FAR TO MUCH to be "left hanging" for so long, as did many others...
I wish ST3 the best...but if ANYONE out there has ANY sense...they'll PASS.
Sorry I JUST do not get it, why you are on such a crusade.
Head over the Sampletank thread over at KVR, and you'll see a member called "neverenoughfunk" who constantly lambasts any Sampletank thread. See if the posting style seems remarkably similar. Always with ellipsis (three dots) between phrases, for example. Always the most frequent poster in those threads and mostly only adding combative words and comments about how it'll be terrible and no one should care. Seem familiar? Yes, it's weird to get that worked up over it. (Note: I do get users frustration with IK's marketing and long development time with Sampletank. Heck, it annoys me too, but to take it so far as to be unable to just speak your piece and let it be is a bit much.)
Smokey...I assure you this is NOT me....my KVR is cclarry....just as it is here... There are THOUSANDS of people that are on the BLAST IK bandwagon... WHY? Because they know that WHOLE STORY... ANYONE with ANY intelligence AT ALL knows that iK has screwed the pooch... As I said to Machine...if YOU want to invest your money ...GO RIGHT AHEAD....no one is stopping you. But those of us who KNOW and LIVED what iK has done... WON'T....WE KNOW BETTER! Getting people to learn the WHOLE story takes REPETITION...just as learning a piece of music well does... I will continue to "CRUSADE" against companies that do such things...and who mistreat their customers... you don't have to like it...but it's my RIGHT! And you don't have to read it...that's YOUR RIGHT, so move to the NEXT THREAD if it bothers you.
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Re: SampleTank 3 Release
2014/02/12 09:47:47
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cclarry Getting people to learn the WHOLE story takes REPETITION...just as learning a piece of music well does...
The point is "no, it doesn't take that much repetition." The same group of people read this board all the time (give or take a member or two). We know how you feel about Sampletank and IK. Other people may have different feelings about IK. It's not because they don't "get it." They just don't see things the way you do. You're not our "teacher" and we're not your "students." Also, it might be the case that others learn faster than you do and don't need the repetition you think they do. cclarry I will continue to "CRUSADE" against companies that do such things...and who mistreat their customers... you don't have to like it...but it's my RIGHT! And you don't have to read it...that's YOUR RIGHT, so move to the NEXT THREAD if it bothers you.
You do realize every line above could be directed from me to you, right? "I could continue my crusade against your incessant complaining. It's my right. You don't have to read it. That's your right. So move on if my posts bother you." I never understand why people say that sort of stuff on a forum. Of course, no one questioned your right to post your posts, so it's odd to even go there. I'm just expressing my opinion that it's annoying sorting through rant and after rant of the same junk in a thread trying to glean some information. By the way, I say all that as someone who does *agree* with a number of your points--it's the way they're presented that gets old in thread after thread.
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Re: SampleTank 3 Release
2014/02/12 09:56:17
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As is your Right Smokey...you have every right to express your opinion... The REAL problem is....you sound like a PAID Rep for IK... or, even worse...IK Obi or Pete under a different name...
Their actions are reprehensible...and I will continue....as you may do also...
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Re: SampleTank 3 Release
2014/02/12 10:03:18
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cclarry The REAL problem is....you sound like a PAID Rep for IK... or, even worse...IK Obi or Pete under a different name...
Whatever, man. "Peace, Love, Music" sure doesn't seem like an appropriate avatar. I joined this forum 8 years before you got here. There's a long range conspiracy required to get to your conclusion particularly since I didn't even defend IK at all in my post. Have at it. Just realize you come across as beyond obsessed about the whole topic.
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Re: SampleTank 3 Release
2014/02/12 10:41:36
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8 years before... And 3644 posts behind... I can see you've kept up with events... My point is...my CRUSADE is peaceful...and REPETITIOUS...if you got the message GREAT. But my posts are NOT meant exclusively for YOU, and that was my point. You don't have to like my "repetitiveness"...that's your right...and you're free to express that. But when you OPENLY draw comparisons to others, in other forums, then you invite the consequences. You seem like you are defending the actions of IK... I have been a Cakewalk customer as along as you've been a forum member here... I just didn't join the forum until after I purchased X1, moving from Pro Tools. I've also been far more active here in my short time then you have been in 10 years... I've also been an IK Customer since 2004. I've been in the music/recording business for 35 years... which may be longer then you've been alive...I don't know... I didn't question your motives in ANY of your posts...but YOU did in mine...in comparing me to someone on another forum...KVR. A "Lambaster" I believe the term was... So, remember, we're all free to express ourselves....but we must also be prepared to "take the heat" for it... I, personally, welcome it...as it let's me repeat myself even more...
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Re: SampleTank 3 Release
2014/02/12 10:58:24
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WOW. simply errr WOW. I was going to post a response but I think it best to just bow out gracefully.
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Re: SampleTank 3 Release
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cclarry I didn't question your motives in ANY of your posts..
Yes, you did. Read two posts upthread. You said it seemed as if I might be a paid IK spokesperson or perhaps a sock puppet of IK reps. I brought up my membership date simply to show that your implications of being a sock puppet didn't make any sense. Years of being a member or post counts I realize aren't that important. I did indeed compare your postings to a member at KVR. I have no idea if you're the same person or not. I *do* believe it when you say you are not. The style and content are very similar and the thread disruption it causes is the same. That was the basis for the comparison. They are a constant disruption to threads. So, I have to wade through the junk there and then wade through it over here. Ben (the main guy) over at KVR finally had enough and temp banned the guy, so that's something. My guess is that at least some folks feel the same way as I do around here (at least on toning it down a notch). They may not. If not, then that's fine. I'll be alright. Your posts, though, communicate a lot more than I think you realize.
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Re: SampleTank 3 Release
2014/02/12 11:12:37
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I have been reading this forum for years (since Sonar 3) and I post very infrequently. cclarry makes great points. He left out the obvious slap in the face by IK to the people who paid FULL Price for their aged products only to watch them be given away the last few years for peanuts...on the premise of a "coming soon" big upgrade. They then tout their iCrap "products" that really don't relate in any way to Cakewalk PC based products. To SmokeyJ628 As I implied in my post, if IK can come into this forum and sell their wares then we can express our extreme displeasure just as often. It's called being a watchdog. ccLarry is much more vocal than I am but he is 100% correct. You are chastising him for his "crusade", yet there would be no crusade if IK and obi would either put out the product they promised or stay the hell out of this forum. It would be also nice if they stopped LYING. They are clearly irritating some good Cake customers and a bunch of KVR forum people. iCrap apps are not pro products. Cakewalk is pro level software. ST2 is a pro level piece of kit. Do you see the correlation? If you want the "annoyance" of these kinds of posts to stop may I suggest you request the removal of the original irritant rather the ones reacting to it and warning people. I just read that IK Multimedia and obi caused Bob Costas' pink eye outbreak in Sochi so they could sell him some iDrops...
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Re: SampleTank 3 Release
2014/02/12 11:58:37
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IK has every right to be here as anyone else. This is getting ridiculous. I know the whole story. I don't believe Obi or Pete are lying. This is where it gets ludicrous. CTFO! cclarry and all his supporters, I love ya'll maaann!! Just let it go already!
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Re: SampleTank 3 Release
2014/02/12 12:34:57
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Once they capitalized on the iCrap iCrap... I like it. Nice term for stuff people buy that winds up in the junk drawer next to a pile of old cell phones - only to stay there for years due to the reluctance to toss out something you paid dearly for, until you tire of it wasting space.... as for IK, Larry's got a point. Let him sing - but folks are just as welcome to rebut - or even gripe that it's all getting tedious. Just keep things on the up-n-up and don't take things personally.
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Re: SampleTank 3 Release
2014/02/12 14:46:02
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Maybe the best solution is to eliminate advertising in the forums. There's no way to pick and choose who should be allowed to flog their junk, so we need to say yes or no to the whole idea. I see two kinds of advertisers here, there's the IK types and then there's Orange Tree. Greg is always trying to do something for his users but Obi, not so much. I guess we have to listen to Obi if we want to also hear from Greg, or, we have to say no to both. It's a tough one. I will say that I listen to somebody like cclary before I listen to some "long time" member with a dozen posts.
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Re: SampleTank 3 Release
2014/02/12 15:09:31
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SuperG Just keep things on the up-n-up and don't take things personally.
^^^^^ This ^^^^^^^ After all, this is a forum to voice our opinions and should be done in a civil manner. Obviously, there's going to be disagreements/differences in point of view, and we ALL can make our decisions on what's useful, and what's not. Just don't need to take things on a personal level.
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Re: SampleTank 3 Release
2014/02/12 15:25:38
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Mesh
SuperG Just keep things on the up-n-up and don't take things personally.
^^^^^ This ^^^^^^^ After all, this is a forum to voice our opinions and should be done in a civil manner. Obviously, there's going to be disagreements/differences in point of view, and we ALL can make our decisions on what's useful, and what's not. Just don't need to take things on a personal level.
I agree with you which is why when we have a problem with someones point of view we should not Direct our opinions directly at a specific person but when someone starts out by saying 'I don't know what You're problem is' or 'You always do this or that' it's kinda hard not to take it personally. Points can be made without calling someone out.
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Re: SampleTank 3 Release
2014/02/12 15:25:55
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☄ Helpfulby cclarry 2014/02/12 15:32:01
Grem Just let it go already!
If we/he let it go, The Man wins. Is that what you want, errrm, man?
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Re: SampleTank 3 Release
2014/02/12 15:32:55
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Grem IK has every right to be here as anyone else. This is getting ridiculous.
I know the whole story. I don't believe Obi or Pete are lying. This is where it gets ludicrous. CTFO!
cclarry and all his supporters, I love ya'll maaann!! Just let it go already!
Grem, I certainly (at least I hope not) don't believe that Pete and Obi are responsible... As I've said "repeatedly", I welcome Obi...he's a good guy... But, if they want to be here..they need to LISTEN to THEIR CUSTOMERS!!! That's all I'm saying... I just know that IK has overstepped their bounds...and need to be put back in line. There have been lies...I didn't say Obi or Pete...so nothing ludicrous there... and, if you know the whole story, you're aware of them. We all have the right to voice our thoughts. My only point to Smokey was his comparison of me to someone on KVR is relative to my comparison of him to a PAID IK rep (turnabout is fair play is the saying) IK knows they've screwed the pooch...I'm going to continue to beat that down... till it's bloodied and battered... If we just "Shut up"...NOTHING CHANGES. Companies will continue to take advantage of their customers...and the Customers will THANK THEM FOR IT because they are so obsessed with "COPD - Chronic Obsessive Plugin Disorder" that they don't care if the company screws them or not...they just NEED the next "FIX"! I see it all the time. That's the problem with this world...everyone just wants to float through...not realizing that NOTHING changes that way. Then they want to cry about "how messed up things are" while all they did was sit and be quiet...rather then taking up arms and a cause and fighting the good fight. Not this guy. And I mean no disrespect to anyone... As for letting it go...NEVER....not as long as I draw breath or IK makes some major concessions and apologies to their SampleTank Customers PUBLICLY, which will NEVER happen. I agree with SuperG....rebutt...take IK's side... but come armed for the battle...LOL PS...most (not all) of the IK supporters...are those who just got in on the ST GROUP GIVEAWAY so are dying for ST 3, and haven't had the glorious experience of investing thousands, only to be given the wide end of the shaft in the anal cavity by IK...
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Re: SampleTank 3 Release
2014/02/12 15:48:28
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So.................................. I was just thinking.. I wonder what Larry thinks about ST3 ? Ooh, look..... a squirell >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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Re: SampleTank 3 Release
2014/02/12 16:00:31
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Well, I've said it before and I'll say it once more. I was irked that Antares charged me for a 64bit upgrade path. But I used that suite quite frequently and so I acquiesced to paying The Man. All my (vast) other plugs vendors did not charge me for 64bit upgrade. Since I do not use ST2.5 all that much anymore I am opting out of ST3, unless it's a $49 customer loyalty upgrade fee or a free player is offered. And I REALLY will think very hard over the $49 price, but since that is very unlikely I'm not giving it much thought except when I reply to threads like these. <ST3 brain buffer flush:over and out>
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Re: SampleTank 3 Release
2014/02/12 16:20:45
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bapu Since I do not use ST2.5 all that much anymore I am opting out of ST3, unless it's a $49 customer loyalty upgrade fee or a free player is offered. And I REALLY will think very hard over the $49 price, but since that is very unlikely I'm not giving it much thought except when I reply to threads like these. <ST3 brain buffer flush:over and out>
I believe they've already made it clear that there will be no free player... Too bad, I'm not upgrading. The only IK product that I use with regularity is ARC and it's not even their technology.
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2014/02/12 16:39:08
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gustabo The only IK product that I use with regularity is ARC and it's not even their technology.
Yes, I use ARC. Amplitube is my go to guitar sim followed by S-Gear. I need to learn more about my TH2 and Headcase. CSR is nice but I somehow rarely think of it since I go to Valhalla Room, UAD EMT 140 and (now) Lexicon LXP.
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Re: SampleTank 3 Release
2014/02/12 17:05:51
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paulo So.................................. I was just thinking.. I wonder what Larry thinks about ST3 ? Ooh, look..... a squirell >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
          
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Re: SampleTank 3 Release
2014/02/12 17:08:47
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Sadly, I use T-Racks Grand, Amplitube, CSR, all the ST Sampler/Synths... IK makes a good product...to bad they don't make good product support
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Re: SampleTank 3 Release
2014/02/12 19:01:40
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Grem~ sorry bro they have lied. When you say something is going to happen and then it doesn't, you have lied. "ST3 will be delivered in 2013" (last year) was their battle cry. "Very soon" was another "teaser". "We're almost there"...or my favorite; "expect an exciting announcement in the next few weeks"....only to be taunted with more new iCrap (a term which I did not invent for the record) If my dry cleaner promised my shirts by a certain date I would respect that. If I'm still looking for my shirts a year a year later (or more in this case) someone's credibility is less than zero. I suggest that Obi and IK stay out of this forum until ST3 is available. No more iGarbage ads or empty promises. Stay out until the exact day ST3 is available to the general public. And if the upgrade fee is not very attractive you'd better expect more hatred and vitriol from the angry masses. Then the more sensitive forum readers won't have to sift through our complaints and cat calls. We could get back to more the important things at hand like which free plugins are the best.
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Re: SampleTank 3 Release
2014/02/12 19:17:30
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mcasta1@hotmail.com We could get back to more the important things at hand like which free plugins are the best who has the most plugins.
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Re: SampleTank 3 Release
2014/02/12 19:30:44
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☄ Helpfulby cclarry 2014/02/12 19:45:06
I think we should take up a collection and get IK_Peter a sweet present for Valentine's Day:
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Re: SampleTank 3 Release
2014/02/12 20:29:58
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You'd send him Bob Hope's carcass?
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