Sonar 8 Wish List

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RE: Sonar 8 Wish List 2008/06/04 11:30:17 (permalink)
1. a compressor/limiter function for MIDI tracks that would act on velocity, breath, volume and other controllers.

2. A larger track-name space. Current one usually forces you to interrupt workflow to see tracknames.

3. A "replace audio file" function. right-click on an audio clip and browse to a clip with which you can replace the existing clip on the timeline.

4. An "open file in _____" function that lets you open a timeline audio file in a real audio editor, like Sound Forge, edit it, then save over the original and have it automatically updated in the timeline. Or alternately, save the edited file with a new name and have it replace, or appear on a layer adjacent to the original in the timeline.

5. Do away with two ways to select a track (clicking anywhere on the header and clicking on the track number) Selecting should be selecting.

6.Give each track--even every other track--a subtly different color, all the way downstream, so you can see ata a glance what your header settings are when you're working to the right end of the timeline.
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RE: Sonar 8 Wish List 2008/06/04 11:41:21 (permalink)
1 - MFX (Velocity that ships with SONAR does, funnily enough, velocity, and there are probablu commercial/free ones that do everything)

2 - ?

4 - Exists (Tools\Sound Forge)
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RE: Sonar 8 Wish List 2008/06/04 14:01:01 (permalink)
Did anyone mention "Sixteen Outputs On TTS-1"?

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RE: Sonar 8 Wish List 2008/06/04 21:45:20 (permalink)

ORIGINAL: Widetrack

3. A "replace audio file" function. right-click on an audio clip and browse to a clip with which you can replace the existing clip on the timeline.



This should be quite easy if they ever implement an audio pool. In Cu**se, you just drag a new file from the audio pool right on top of an existing region in the arrange window and viola! it gets replaced!! smart!
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RE: Sonar 8 Wish List 2008/06/04 22:18:03 (permalink)
- redo the GUI and the menus. Sonar menu dialogues look like straight out of MS Office ´97. Add a more 3d-ish look to the GUI.
- improve stability of the audio engine
- fix ACT
- improve transport control und project navigation

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RE: Sonar 8 Wish List 2008/06/04 23:51:23 (permalink)
I just moved from Logic 5.5. The only glaring issue I see is the notation. I would really like to see this improved to a professional level. Midi "humanization" seems a little more difficult - but I have only played with it an hour. Otherwise - a pleasure to learn compared to Logic.

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RE: Sonar 8 Wish List 2008/06/05 15:49:33 (permalink)

ORIGINAL: Jose7822




1- Better audio engine (no Motorboating).

2- Better thread distribution (no more one-core spikes).




I agree 2000%. Those are the main things that need to be improved far before anything else. We are working with audio and music, so we need a DAW that handles audio perfectly, that is the main point that Cakewalk needs to focus on, as it is not good enough at this time : no more craklings with buffer size set to 512 and using 50% of the CPU on a dual core processor, please !

Anyway, congratulations to Cakewalk for that fantastic DAW.

Thank you.
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RE: Sonar 8 Wish List 2008/06/05 16:04:48 (permalink)

ORIGINAL: rdolmat


ORIGINAL: Widetrack

3. A "replace audio file" function. right-click on an audio clip and browse to a clip with which you can replace the existing clip on the timeline.



This should be quite easy if they ever implement an audio pool. In Cu**se, you just drag a new file from the audio pool right on top of an existing region in the arrange window and viola! it gets replaced!! smart!


Better still, I would say, let the user choose via a parameter, whether to delete the old clip or to mute it.

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RE: Sonar 8 Wish List 2008/06/05 16:13:11 (permalink)
here's another in the "not a feature but a tweak a long time coming" things.

In some of the dialog boxes you can use standard windows SHIFT and CTRL modifiers to select/deselect multiple tracks. But NOT ALL OF THEM. In particular the bouncing/exporting dialogs. In a big project this can be a PITA. I suppose for some of these you can use the track view to select tracks, but if the dialogs are standardized, you can do everything with the keyboard.

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RE: Sonar 8 Wish List 2008/06/12 20:44:18 (permalink)
it would be nice if cakewalk posted any revised designs as jpgs on the forum here, so we can comment on what would make it optimal for everyone. that would be fantastic.

apart from everything listed so far, here's my 2cents (although mostly GUI related);

- the GUI lacks "negative space" in the design. and could be optimized for spacing in general, some things are not easily visible, while others seem crammed into a space. (effects bin is terrible to work with IMHO)

- the edges of some windows can be drag expanded more than the actual content of the item/plugin, etc = ugly

- some buttons are way too small (especially close buttons on some FX plugins)

- anti alias on track icons is very bad, even when the graphic file is perfect with alpha, etc

- an effects bin system similar to (cough) cubase (cough) with separated rows and generic option buttons per effect added

- smoother waveform display in track view (maybe some more antialias at 30% on the outside edges?)

- would be nice if UI options boxes had an automatic preview (where possible)

- "display vertical rules" should be on by default. also easily accessible options for changing from beat, bar etc with snap would be great (cubase-ish)....also if they were transparent over the tracks would be great.

- there is no tool tips on some toolbar icons

- when you drag a slider, the touch is very sluggish and could respond faster, and instead of the cursor disappearing 100% maybe it can be ghosted?
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RE: Sonar 8 Wish List 2008/06/16 03:45:42 (permalink)
ORIGINAL: harmony gardens

Nested folders would be nice


+1!

This is one of the first features mentioned here that strikes me as "must have". Nested folders would make life a lot easier in my workflow.

post edited by Creator - 2008/06/16 04:15:48
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RE: Sonar 8 Wish List 2008/06/16 03:48:48 (permalink)
The option to alt-select a portion of a track or more tracks (already possible) but with the option added to be able to export the audio for ONLY that selected section, to a separate file.

I'm a perfectionist, and perfect is a skinned knee.
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RE: Sonar 8 Wish List 2008/06/16 03:57:30 (permalink)
+1 for an ideas hub.

+1 for a tempo envelope editor.

+1 for instrument tracks.

Also, would it be possible to setup the synth rack to make plug-ins "re-assignable"? I would love it if I could right click on for example an instance of Psyn II and change it to an instance of z3ta+ with all the tracks that referenced the old instrument (audio and MIDI) updating to the new plugin.
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RE: Sonar 8 Wish List 2008/06/16 03:59:00 (permalink)

ORIGINAL: ...wicked

here's another in the "not a feature but a tweak a long time coming" things.

In some of the dialog boxes you can use standard windows SHIFT and CTRL modifiers to select/deselect multiple tracks. But NOT ALL OF THEM. In particular the bouncing/exporting dialogs. In a big project this can be a PITA. I suppose for some of these you can use the track view to select tracks, but if the dialogs are standardized, you can do everything with the keyboard.


+1 That would be a reasonable and helpful change.
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RE: Sonar 8 Wish List 2008/06/16 04:01:10 (permalink)

ORIGINAL: fromthesoul


ORIGINAL: Jose7822




1- Better audio engine (no Motorboating).

2- Better thread distribution (no more one-core spikes).




I agree 2000%. Those are the main things that need to be improved far before anything else. We are working with audio and music, so we need a DAW that handles audio perfectly, that is the main point that Cakewalk needs to focus on, as it is not good enough at this time : no more craklings with buffer size set to 512 and using 50% of the CPU on a dual core processor, please !

Anyway, congratulations to Cakewalk for that fantastic DAW.

Thank you.


+1 for a focus on the audio engine and stability. These seem even more important to me than any other features discussed here.

+1 for thread distribution. I can't make use of it currently but many other users can and I will one day as well.
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RE: Sonar 8 Wish List 2008/06/16 04:02:31 (permalink)

ORIGINAL: Widetrack

6.Give each track--even every other track--a subtly different color, all the way downstream, so you can see ata a glance what your header settings are when you're working to the right end of the timeline.


+1 Great idea.
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RE: Sonar 8 Wish List 2008/06/16 04:03:58 (permalink)

ORIGINAL: Rothchild

I'd like Buss templates (like track templates for busses) and a better way of keeping notes with my projects - takes, tracks effects routings etc. It's a shame that I've got a computer that could take me to the moon but that good old pen and paper is still the best way of keeping tabs on what's going on in my projects.

I'm gonna keep it at that at the moment because my top request still stands as making the core program ruthlessly efficient and slick. I don't want any more add ins which don't get supported past that iteration in Sonar. If something gets added in it should be part of the core function of the app and be carried forwards too so that I don't have to dig out (or leave installed) all my old versions of Sonar to keep my projects working each time I upgrade.

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+1 on all counts. Well said. Let's focus on the workflow improvements like this.
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RE: Sonar 8 Wish List 2008/06/16 04:05:23 (permalink)

ORIGINAL: Heezzi

Import session Data function. That way I can take my 44.1k 24bit Projects and convert them to 96k.


+1!!!!!!!!!!! Or at least a "change project sample rate" option that works on the existing audio.
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RE: Comments! 2008/06/16 04:07:08 (permalink)

ORIGINAL: aiken

Please, oh please, add some facility to add comments to notes, events, clips, tracks, and buses. And then some indication that an item has a comment (like MS word, excel, etc do).

There are tons of times I make minor changes to improve the sound of something -- say, by cutting of a high pitch note a little early if it's going to an effect and causing bad sound. Then a week later I think, "why the hell is that note ending 1/16 before it should?" and I fix it. If I'm lucky, I immediately remember why I trimmed it originally. If not, it's days or weeks later when I re-discover the bad sound.

It's even worse with collaborators. Why is a particular clip muted? Is it because it's a bad take, or because he thought that part was out of place altogether?

Music can be deeply complex stuff, and the ability to comment the source would save so much time and confusion.

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ORIGINAL: Cardamom

My wishlist is short: More stability! I dont mention other wishes, because i hope that Cakewalk developers will spent their mean time in improving the basic stability of the audioengine.

+1
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RE: Sonar 8 Wish List 2008/06/16 13:06:26 (permalink)
ORIGINAL: Roflcopter
The option to alt-select a portion of a track or more tracks (already possible) but with the option added to be able to export the audio for ONLY that selected section, to a separate file.

Sonar already does this, doesn't it? Export Audio will only export whatever is selected, or if nothing is selected then it exports everything.
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RE: Sonar 8 Wish List 2008/06/16 13:12:54 (permalink)
Better beat creation and functions for playing the beats
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RE: Sonar 8 Wish List 2008/06/16 13:43:08 (permalink)
I'll repeat a couple that stresses the importance for me :)

1) Nested folders

2) Separate lanes for automation

3) Ability to preview MIDI clips in the loop explorer

4) Better load balancing across multiple cores of a CPU
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RE: Sonar 8 Wish List 2008/06/16 14:05:27 (permalink)

ORIGINAL: rosabelle

ORIGINAL: Roflcopter
The option to alt-select a portion of a track or more tracks (already possible) but with the option added to be able to export the audio for ONLY that selected section, to a separate file.

Sonar already does this, doesn't it? Export Audio will only export whatever is selected, or if nothing is selected then it exports everything.



Yes it does .
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RE: Sonar 8 Wish List 2008/06/16 14:37:26 (permalink)
Bear in mind I'm still on Sonar 6, but as far as I know, these haven't been addressed yet...

Audio Scrub Tool - It's completely useless because the pitch is linked to how fast you move your mouse. If you're looking for the spot where you hit that high note, you'll never find it. I like the old Audio Scrub Tool (I think back in Sonar 1 & 2) where it plays the clip at the proper recorded pitch, regardless of how fast you scrub it.

Track Output to Multiple Destinations - The pulldown only allows you to choose 1 output. If you want to send it to another destination as well (example: multiple soundcards), you have to use the bus feature which can get messy.

Advanced Plugin Manager Features - Maybe this exists already, but I'd love to see a list of plugins which the current project uses. I get burned so many times sharing files with other Sonar users because I can't easily keep track of what plugins I've used.

These are all minor gripes. Honestly I'm pretty satisfied with the way everything works. Kudos Cakewalk!

**edit**

Oh, but definitely I'd upgrade in a heartbeat if you did this:
ORIGINAL: auricle
4) Better load balancing across multiple cores of a CPU

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RE: Sonar 8 Wish List 2008/06/16 14:56:57 (permalink)

ORIGINAL: Spaceduck

Track Output to Multiple Destinations - The pulldown only allows you to choose 1 output. If you want to send it to another destination as well (example: multiple soundcards), you have to use the bus feature which can get messy.

Advanced Plugin Manager Features - Maybe this exists already, but I'd love to see a list of plugins which the current project uses. I get burned so many times sharing files with other Sonar users because I can't easily keep track of what plugins I've used.


Both helpful features, but especially the second one since there isn't really an effective workaround (short of pen and paper).
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RE: Sonar 8 Wish List 2008/06/17 11:18:54 (permalink)
Things I personally would love to see in the next version:

Better envelope tools - Today's composers need to tweak their MIDI orchestral mockups extensively for maximum realism/expressiveness, and the automating envelopes are something we use so much of, but is very clunky to work with. Trying to select one node often selects all the nodes/entire envelop, and you have to do your little dance with the mouse to get the node want selected--often having to and and deselect all the other selected nodes because simply trying to reselect the node you want just keeps on selecting all the nodes at once. That is unacceptable, and this problem has been there since waaaaay back (I started with Sonar 2 and it's been a problem even since then). The envelope tools can also use a facelift and new tools like the MIDI editing did. For anyone that needs to compose/orchestrate high-end work in sonar, this is a must.

More track folder levels I'm very organized, and I need to be able to have more than two levels of folders when organizing my projects. Example:

[Folder] Drums
---[Folder] Acoustic
------Snare
------Bass
------Hihat
------Crash
---[Folder] Electronic
------Zap
------Ping
------Metallic
[Folder] Orchestral
---[Folder] Strings
------[Folder] Cellos
---------Spiccato
---------Tremolo
---------Legato
------[Folder] Trumpets
---------Mute
---------Legato

Chase long MIDI notes - One feature I really want, and sorely needs, is the ability to start playing a track at anywhere in a project where even in the middle of very long sustained MIDI notes (for example, a synth pad or orchestral strings playing a note that lasts for two or more measures), the DAW will automatically "catch up" to that point (including any modulation data such as filter cutoff), so you don't have to set the playback at beginning long MIDI notes in order to hear them. I often have long sustained MIDI notes in my tracks, and I hate having to playback a few measures earlier just so I can hear those notes, wasting valuable time when the section I'm working on is actually a few measures later. Bouncing to audio or freezing is also not an option as that's a handicapped workaround, not a real solution that address the problem.

Better UI customization - The way it is now is kinda fiddly. Take a look at how Adobe Photoshop CS3 (new in CS3) is doing it--they've really streamlined it to be very elegant and effective now. Also, if when arranging toolbars in the UI, it'll be nice that each toolbar gets a visible border line around each so they don't all just blend together and become visually confusing (this is especially important when there isn't enough room to put some space between each toolbar).

Better Plug-in Manager - When a 3rd party developer makes a better plug-in manager for your sequencer (MenuMagic) and SELL IT FOR PROFIT, it is EMBARRASSING. Seriously. Buy them out. Get that stuff in Sonar.
post edited by Lunatique - 2008/06/17 11:25:31
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RE: Sonar 8 Wish List 2008/06/17 12:02:37 (permalink)
ORIGINAL: Lunatique
Chase long MIDI notes


+1

If S8 doesn't have this, I'll probably skip the upgrade!

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RE: Sonar 8 Wish List 2008/06/17 12:09:26 (permalink)

ORIGINAL: Lunatique

Things I personally would love to see in the next version:

Better envelope tools - Today's composers need to tweak their MIDI orchestral mockups extensively for maximum realism/expressiveness, and the automating envelopes are something we use so much of, but is very clunky to work with. Trying to select one node often selects all the nodes/entire envelop, and you have to do your little dance with the mouse to get the node want selected--often having to and and deselect all the other selected nodes because simply trying to reselect the node you want just keeps on selecting all the nodes at once. That is unacceptable, and this problem has been there since waaaaay back (I started with Sonar 2 and it's been a problem even since then). The envelope tools can also use a facelift and new tools like the MIDI editing did. For anyone that needs to compose/orchestrate high-end work in sonar, this is a must.

More track folder levels I'm very organized, and I need to be able to have more than two levels of folders when organizing my projects. Example:

[Folder] Drums
---[Folder] Acoustic
------Snare
------Bass
------Hihat
------Crash
---[Folder] Electronic
------Zap
------Ping
------Metallic
[Folder] Orchestral
---[Folder] Strings
------[Folder] Cellos
---------Spiccato
---------Tremolo
---------Legato
------[Folder] Trumpets
---------Mute
---------Legato

Chase long MIDI notes - One feature I really want, and sorely needs, is the ability to start playing a track at anywhere in a project where even in the middle of very long sustained MIDI notes (for example, a synth pad or orchestral strings playing a note that lasts for two or more measures), the DAW will automatically "catch up" to that point (including any modulation data such as filter cutoff), so you don't have to set the playback at beginning long MIDI notes in order to hear them. I often have long sustained MIDI notes in my tracks, and I hate having to playback a few measures earlier just so I can hear those notes, wasting valuable time when the section I'm working on is actually a few measures later. Bouncing to audio or freezing is also not an option as that's a handicapped workaround, not a real solution that address the problem.

Better UI customization - The way it is now is kinda fiddly. Take a look at how Adobe Photoshop CS3 (new in CS3) is doing it--they've really streamlined it to be very elegant and effective now. Also, if when arranging toolbars in the UI, it'll be nice that each toolbar gets a visible border line around each so they don't all just blend together and become visually confusing (this is especially important when there isn't enough room to put some space between each toolbar).

Better Plug-in Manager - When a 3rd party developer makes a better plug-in manager for your sequencer (MenuMagic) and SELL IT FOR PROFIT, it is EMBARRASSING. Seriously. Buy them out. Get that stuff in Sonar.


+1 Agreed.
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RE: Sonar 8 Wish List 2008/06/17 12:46:25 (permalink)
I tried the trial of 7, very nice, but I'd like to see an option (not a replacement, as I can see an advantage or two on rare occasion to the dual-row "group" setup) to add audio instruments in a simplified-single row format such as Project 5.

Sorry if this has been mentioned before.
post edited by Gauthic - 2008/06/17 13:08:53


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RE: Sonar 8 Wish List 2008/06/17 13:30:16 (permalink)
Touch sensitive automation selector!!! And manual automation selector on the track control panel.

Perhaps a pattern pool organized by tracks... mmm sounds great!!!
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