I wouldn't even begin to worry about USB2 or FW, I'd be more concerned about the quality of converters/pre's etc. No point dropping big coin on this if the conversion and pre's aren't up to muster. Not saying they aren't, they might be, but they'd be my first concern.

wonder if they will have 8 pack fader controller expander packs? i like the look of this, having used a VS2480 for years and loved that, this seems pretty enticing.

if i could get 24 channels of control i would be pretty sold, that would put it right up there with a C24 from PT

Hey D

Yes i have the mixed logic M24, and it works incredibly well with Sonar, the EXE written for the board integrates really well into sonar, actually it was mainly written and built for sonar, but also had exe's for cubase, nuendo, and PT etc

that being said, i am looking at this as even more integration that the M24 has and like what i see EXCEPT for the 8 fader thing.

I have a feeling they may do something mroe with this and with expander packs, or they would be smart to do so there is a HUGE clamor for 24 tracks control, hands on out there and no one but PT with the C24 etc has done that

the M24 is a great piece but the support and updates from the company seem to be really laggin behind now and that worries me. i would rather have a piece of gear that is really well supported overall

and the vs2480 i had worked without a hitch for years, if they can nail the hardware portion and software integration and it works as well as the 2480 did i would consider this in a heartbeat

Does anyone know if you have to use the Audio I/O?? i have a yamaha n12 i use for my front end now and do not want to give that up, it has alot more options then the new cakewalk piece and is rock solid and sounds great,

wondering if the N12 and this is the ticket?

The Fantom is in the IO box

USB 2...ok lets think about that a minute...

Suppose you end up taxing the capability offered, say...37/48 tracks at 24/192...your telling me USB 2 isn't gonna choke like snake in a hen house?

24 X 96 khz X 37 = appx. 85 megs per second...now theoretical USB is 480 Mbts per second, however in real world, it is no where near that.

"A fast usb host can achieve 40 MBytes/sec. The theorical 60 MB/sec cannot be achieved, because of the margin taken between the sof's (125 us), so if a packet cannot take place before the sof, the packet will be rescheduled after the next sof. On top of that, all the USB transactions are handled by software on the PC. For instance, a USB host on a PCI bus will send or receive the data via the PCI bus; the stack will prepare the next data in memory and receive interrupt from the host."

I see what you mean...

So like I saïd, what's wrong with USB?


Merry weekend everyone!

ORIGINAL: John T

ORIGINAL: Mr. Ease

ORIGINAL: John T

I do a good half of my recording to an external drive over USB. It is more than capable, seriously.

Data transfer is NOT the same protocol in firewire as time critical audio or video streaming.

What I was saying is that I record directly to the thing. Time critical audio streaming is exactly what I'm doing with it.

I realised exactly what you are saying but that does NOT mean that the firewire streaming protocol is the same as the firewire data protocol. I have NEVER said here that USB2 is NOT capable of these speeds. What I DID say was that your statement of USB2 being faster than Firewire was simply wrong when streaming audio to a PC from an audio interface.

Read my other posts on this thread and I hope you will see that I'm NOT having a "USB2 V Firewire - which is best" debate.

Wish I could tell you of all the troubles I'm having with my Edirol UA-101 USB interface.

Do tell. I've had one for a couple years now. Works like a charm. My only gripe is the phantom power switch is on the back.

Edited: nevermind, I realize I misread your post.

but the fact that USB is the choice sets this product below pro level. Every product in this class from Digi, M-Audio etc are all firewilre

Since when is M-Audio considered a pro level brand?

ORIGINAL: Mr. Ease

ORIGINAL: DonM


As Frank said above drivers can matter - but the fact that USB is the choice sets this product below pro level.

I have to respectfully disagree with this statement. USB2 and Firewire are simply serial data standards, why should one be regarded as Pro and the other not?

What WILL define the standard of this product is whether it performs flawlessly or not.

I have to disagree. I spoke with at least six owners of studios today. 1/2 PTHD two others Samplitude and I don't know the other hosts - no usb anywhere in any of the facilities. I may be the voice you're hearing on the USB issue in this thread - but if anyone takes the time to look at the competition, as I mentioned zero of them are USB.

-D

but if anyone takes the time to look at the competition

What do you suppose IS the competition?

ORIGINAL: DonM

ORIGINAL: Mr. Ease

ORIGINAL: DonM


As Frank said above drivers can matter - but the fact that USB is the choice sets this product below pro level.

I have to respectfully disagree with this statement. USB2 and Firewire are simply serial data standards, why should one be regarded as Pro and the other not?

What WILL define the standard of this product is whether it performs flawlessly or not.

I have to disagree. I spoke with at least six owners of studios today. 1/2 PTHD two others Samplitude and I don't know the other hosts - no usb anywhere in any of the facilities. I may be the voice you're hearing on the USB issue in this thread - but if anyone takes the time to look at the competition, as I mentioned zero of them are USB.

-D

So what?

This is kind of inevitable. USB 1 was notably inferior to Firewire. So up until recently, good audio hardware would of course use Firewire. USB 2 is very much up to the job. So you will see more and more new hardware using it. Times change. At one time no pro gear had Firewire either.

Funny how a lot of people hold FW's very much theoretical bandwith advantage as a complete dealbreaker regarding anything USB(2), be it even a simple 2 i/o interface!

Sven

In 1996 I paid $3000 for a Akai MPC 3000.

I don't think the pricetag is that bad when you think about everything you are getting.

Think about it like this, a HD Accel card cost about $7000.

ORIGINAL: gtgarner

ORIGINAL: AndyW

How do they push 18 in by 24 out with USB?

COME ON FELLAS!!!!! You guys shouldn't be stuck on this!!!!!! The USB control surface isn't doing any of the work!!!! I mean, who's controller is really doing any audio processing?


The Audio Interface is doing the work.

The Control Surface is nothing but a bunch of buttons worth about $300. It's the Audio Interface that probably costs $3700!!!!

No, the audio is also going over the USB. The whole kit connects to the computer via a single USB cable.

I think it's rather nifty, myself.