cryophonik

My biggest issue/disappointment with X1 was, is, and will continue to be the global snap settings.  Separate snap settings for the PRV and TV weren't broken before,

I thought separate snap settings were supposed to be reintroduced in an X1 update?

Edit: Wow, just saw that the Sonar Plus addon makes separate snap settings available again - thanks for the tip PenguiN4!. One would think that displays there's a big demand for it and that it would make a strong business case for reintroducing it in the main X1 application. :)

shawn@trustmedia.tv


 

 
...I'm so NOSTALGIC about those nice, all AT SIGHT, AT WILL, invaluable TOOLBARS....!!!
 
That would actually make SONAR X1 the DAW with the best, FASTEST Workflow out there....................... 
 
Please, wake up, Cakewalk............................................................................................................................  
  
 

Brandon Ryan [Cakewalk
]

timidi


Sorry for not being up to snuff but, Am I understanding correctly that Cakewalk has removed 'right clik context menus' in X1?  Ouch..

No they have not been removed.

No, they weren't removed, but commands were removed from them!

PenguiN42

cryophonik


My biggest issue/disappointment with X1 was, is, and will continue to be the global snap settings.  Separate snap settings for the PRV and TV weren't broken before, so why Cakewalk decided to "fix" them is still beyond me and continues to be a PITA.  I don't want to rely on third-party add-ins, keybindings, or using up my (slow) screensets (which I'd prefer to use in a different capacity) as a workaround for something that didn't need to be tampered with in the first place - I just want my separate snap settings back......dammit. 

But Sonar PLUS is amazing. Seriously. Easy to install and stable. Adds back some of the most common features that sonar "veterans" would miss with X1, plus adds a few nice things of its own. I don't any reason why anyone shouldn't be using it :P

I agree completely.... I would love to have these things built into X1, but I'd rather the Bakers spend their time fixing the other things as benstat's program works well and once installed and setup essentially becomes an invisible part of Sonar and feels totally natural... I've got a bar of buttons sitting where there is only empty space in Sonar's gui... Feels as tho it belongs there!

Keni

vintagevibe

RnRmaChine

Seth Perlstein [Cakewalk
]

vintagevibe

Seth Perlstein [Cakewalk
]



Also, if you are testing on a laptop with a built-in sound card, your experiences will vary. Please test on a system with a proper audio interface. Really, there's no point in testing or reporting any issues otherwise.

SP

I use a laptop with ASIO4ALL.  I require this for my work.  Does that mean I'm out of luck?

No, but its not really the best reference system to test on. I don't think any of us reference issues that you guys put forth on a system without an audio interface, so there may be anomalies with ASIO4All (or just the plain MME driver) that crop up that we don't see with proper ASIO drivers and an audio interface.


I'm not saying don't test or report what you see, but it would be worth it to note the system you are testing on and also to cross-reference your issues on your proper DAW.


SP

Yea... really folks. If you are using the sound card that "came with the frame" so to speak then you are using something that is quite an inferior product. Made with the expectation you will replace it if you use it for anything above general computing. It's eating CPU anyway. Always disable onboard audio in the bios after getting at least a interface that was made to record audio with. There is no reason on the face of the planet why you would use the on board audio for any reason, for anything when using with something as powerful as Sonar... or any other DAW Master Software.

Get a real interface, some are as cheap as $100 usd but I would recommend $150-$200usd minimum for an interface... on up to whatever you can afford. Also, if loading a 3rd party plugin makes Sonar unstable... report it. If you are using outdate or illegal plugins and they crash it then you have to dump them as well. They shouldn't be used in the first place anyway.

You totally miss the point.  A laptop is for when you need portability and don't want to hook up an interface.  It depends on what you are doing.

I've brought SONAR on my laptop with me from Los Angeles to Berlin, and most places in between, and I've never once used that laptop to run SONAR without an audio interface. 


Stashing a UA-25EX in my backpack never cut down on the portability factor, and the interface is bus powered so its just plug and play. There's a ton of interfaces like that on the market, and I wouldn't work with SONAR on a laptop without one. Using the built-in sound card is just asking for trouble because your asking a device to do something it wasn't designed to do.

SP

n0rd

dgrm44

I would rather they spend their time fixing everything. I still don't understand their alienation of the customers. Several posters have asked for a level of transparency, and I totally agree. Communicate with your customers as to what the GAMEPLAN is. How can this hurt? This is the first time in years that I have moved off of the Sonar platform and there is a solid chance I will not be returning....the main reason being Cakewalks lack of communication with me the customer.  

+1.

I understand that you want more communication from us concerning SONAR's future. Unfortunately, the situation is a little more complex than it may appear to be from the outside. Right now the DAW world is a more competitive marketplace than ever, and there are many factors as to why we can't just lay out our 'gameplan' to the public before we are ready.  

When we're ready to talk about what we have planned then we will definitely announce it here and we'll go as in depth as possible. Until then, there's really nothing we can discuss on the matter. 

I'm sorry you're using a competitor's product and are contemplating not using ours again. However, does Steinberg or Avid lay out their 'gameplan' plans on their public forums? I think not. 

Please remain patient, and as I said before, when we're ready to talk about what is next, we'll talk about it. It shouldn't be long now.   

SP

I understand Seth's comments; they make perfect commercial sense.

That said, I'm still working with a special version of Sonar X1 sent to me a few weeks ago when I was in email correspondence with Noel Borthwick testing solutions to bugs showing up when X1 is used with Sandy Bridge processors in SP1 of Windows 7.  The bugs were found and have no doubt been corrected.  But by now I fully expected that a X1c would be out incorporating the relevant fixes (along with others waiting in the wings) so I could rejoin the mainstream as it were, i.e. using a regular SONARPDR.EXE.
Fingers crossed, maybe X1c is coming out in the next few days...

http://www.trustmedia.tv/SONAR TEST.mp3

I've used that z3ta+ patch before on something similar.   Love it!

Seth Perlstein [Cakewalk
]


I understand that you want more communication from us concerning SONAR's future. Unfortunately, the situation is a little more complex than it may appear to be from the outside. Right now the DAW world is a more competitive marketplace than ever, and there are many factors as to why we can't just lay out our 'gameplan' to the public before we are ready.  

When we're ready to talk about what we have planned then we will definitely announce it here and we'll go as in depth as possible. Until then, there's really nothing we can discuss on the matter. 

I'm sorry you're using a competitor's product and are contemplating not using ours again. However, does Steinberg or Avid lay out their 'gameplan' plans on their public forums? I think not. 

Please remain patient, and as I said before, when we're ready to talk about what is next, we'll talk about it. It shouldn't be long now.   

SP

Seth,

 This seem to me to reveal a great disconnect between Cakewalk and the market. Former satisfied Cakewalk users recognized that you were leading the competition in DAW implementation.
 Cakewalk didn't have any competition with regards to vision and usability. Yes, it had room for improvement... but not because some other company was forcing the situation on you... the improvements due for SONAR are simply the next logical steps. These areas were fairly obvious to the long time Cakewalk upgrade customers.


 I have stated previously and I want to repeat it. Cakewalk's only real competition is with itself.

 I am afraid that as a company Cakewalk perceives it's product as in competition with both Pro Tools and Ableton Live. Well, the competition may exist in an analysis of sales numbers... but it sure didn't exist for actual implementation and vision. Cakewalk is a leader when it comes to combining all the features we expect in a contemporary DAW.

 I want to share with you that in my opinion that Cakewalk's newly realized preoccupation with "competing" with other DAWs is not serving the loyal Cakewalk users well. We ended up with a years development devoted to copying everyone else's gui and we got what appears to be bog standard VST technology bolted into a proprietary bus.

 It seems like a complete waste of a good year...  a year that could have been spent further distancing SONAR from any other potential choice.

 Instead Cakewalk has forced the comparison to all the other look a likes... and prompted a great diaspora of former Cakewalk users whereby the sales number analysts seems like a break even. Why is this the first year I bought not one but two other DAW licenses? It's because I sense a disconnect between SONAR the product and Cakewalk the company and I need a backup plan.

 I sincerely believe that if Cakewalk will focus on moving ahead... that there is very little need to worry about the "competition". Cakewalk's only competition is Cakewalk.

 Cakewalk's focus on the competition provided by other DAWs may be serving the sales numbers goals, but in my opinion it is NOT serving to help the actual product improve.

 It seems like Cakewalk can find a more effective balance of interests.

 I admit 100% that I don't know squat about Cakewalk's business... all I can offer is the perspective of a long time every year upgrading customer. This customer is not happy... this customer thinks he knows why he's not happy. I provide this info in the hope that this sort of info may be helpful to the people at Cakewalk that do know about the business. Please pass the message on to the folks that make the decisions.

 FWIW, As a customer I will enjoy and prefer a published road map for improvement... having that sort of information will cause the partnership between me, a customer, and Cakewalk a solution provider to grow stronger.

 What could be better than strong partnerships between customers and providers?


Happy Sunday!!!

all the very best,
mike

mike_mccue

Seth Perlstein [Cakewalk
]


I understand that you want more communication from us concerning SONAR's future. Unfortunately, the situation is a little more complex than it may appear to be from the outside. Right now the DAW world is a more competitive marketplace than ever, and there are many factors as to why we can't just lay out our 'gameplan' to the public before we are ready.  

When we're ready to talk about what we have planned then we will definitely announce it here and we'll go as in depth as possible. Until then, there's really nothing we can discuss on the matter. 

I'm sorry you're using a competitor's product and are contemplating not using ours again. However, does Steinberg or Avid lay out their 'gameplan' plans on their public forums? I think not. 

Please remain patient, and as I said before, when we're ready to talk about what is next, we'll talk about it. It shouldn't be long now.   

SP

Seth,

This seem to me to reveal a great disconnect between Cakewalk and the market. Former satisfied Cakewalk users recognized that you were leading the competition in DAW implementation.
Cakewalk didn't have any competition with regards to vision and usability. Yes, it had room for improvement... but not because some other company was forcing the situation on you... the improvements due for SONAR are simply the next logical steps. These areas were fairly obvious to the long time Cakewalk upgrade customers.


I have stated previously and I want to repeat it. Cakewalk's only real competition is with itself.

I am afraid that as a company Cakewalk perceives it's product as in competition with both Pro Tools and Ableton Live. Well, the competition may exist in an analysis of sales numbers... but it sure didn't exist for actual implementation and vision. Cakewalk is a leader when it comes to combining all the features we expect in a contemporary DAW.

I want to share with you that in my opinion that Cakewalk's newly realized preoccupation with "competing" with other DAWs is not serving the loyal Cakewalk users well. We ended up with a years development devoted to copying everyone else's gui and we got what appears to be bog standard VST technology bolted into a proprietary bus.

It seems like a complete waste of a good year...  a year that could have been spent further distancing SONAR from any other potential choice.

Instead Cakewalk has forced the comparison to all the other look a likes... and prompted a great diaspora of former Cakewalk users whereby the sales number analysts seems like a break even. Why is this the first year I bought not one but two other DAW licenses? It's because I sense a disconnect between SONAR the product and Cakewalk the company and I need a backup plan.

I sincerely believe that if Cakewalk will focus on moving ahead... that there is very little need to worry about the "competition". Cakewalk's only competition is Cakewalk.

Cakewalk's focus on the competition provided by other DAWs may be serving the sales numbers goals, but in my opinion it is NOT serving to help the actual product improve.

It seems like Cakewalk can find a more effective balance of interests.

I admit 100% that I don't know squat about Cakewalk's business... all I can offer is the perspective of a long time every year upgrading customer. This customer is not happy... this customer thinks he knows why he's not happy. I provide this info in the hope that this sort of info may be helpful to the people at Cakewalk that do know about the business. Please pass the message on to the folks that make the decisions.

FWIW, As a customer I will enjoy and prefer a published road map for improvement... having that sort of information will cause the partnership between me, a customer, and Cakewalk a solution provider to grow stronger.

What could be better than strong partnerships between customers and providers?


Happy Sunday!!!

all the very best,
mike

Mike Well Said.. Some might not thinks so But well said...

mike_mccue

Seth Perlstein [Cakewalk
]


I understand that you want more communication from us concerning SONAR's future. Unfortunately, the situation is a little more complex than it may appear to be from the outside. Right now the DAW world is a more competitive marketplace than ever, and there are many factors as to why we can't just lay out our 'gameplan' to the public before we are ready.  

When we're ready to talk about what we have planned then we will definitely announce it here and we'll go as in depth as possible. Until then, there's really nothing we can discuss on the matter. 

I'm sorry you're using a competitor's product and are contemplating not using ours again. However, does Steinberg or Avid lay out their 'gameplan' plans on their public forums? I think not. 

Please remain patient, and as I said before, when we're ready to talk about what is next, we'll talk about it. It shouldn't be long now.   

SP

Seth,

This seem to me to reveal a great disconnect between Cakewalk and the market. Former satisfied Cakewalk users recognized that you were leading the competition in DAW implementation.
Cakewalk didn't have any competition with regards to vision and usability. Yes, it had room for improvement... but not because some other company was forcing the situation on you... the improvements due for SONAR are simply the next logical steps. These areas were fairly obvious to the long time Cakewalk upgrade customers.

Happy Sunday!!!

all the very best,
mike

  Companies don't reveal plans until they are strategically ready.  Competition is real.  It's a bit naive to expect anything different.

Companies don't reveal plans until they are strategically ready.  Competition is real.  It's a bit naive to expect anything different.

YES for new products not about fixing whats wrong with the current versions.. Its suicide !!! How many more customers do they wanna lose...Being afraid of your competition is pathetic and no excuse for being tight lipped.. 

djjhart@aol.com

Companies don't reveal plans until they are strategically ready.  Competition is real.  It's a bit naive to expect anything different.

YES for new products not about fixing whats wrong with the current versions.. Its suicide !!! How many more customers do they wanna lose...Being afraid of your competition is pathetic and no excuse for being tight lipped.. 

He has said many times that they are listening to customers and that they are working on theses issues.  It's "suicide" to announce software before it's ready, i.e. exists.

edit: Well not necessarily suicide but usually a really bad idea.

Oh come on guys...

Let say they announce "within two weeks bug XYZ is hopfully fixed".

Then the developers discover bug XYZ cannot besolved because it is dependend on UWV that gets unstable when XYZ is "repaired". On top of that the fix in XYZ introduces a lag in GHJ, wich can only be solved if the engine KLV for GHJ is rewritten to compensate for that. In short - it takes far, far more time than anticipated...

The two weeks pass and Cakewalk announces "sorry it takes a lot longer - we cannot say how long".

Can you all imagine the fireworks that would spark off after that announcement?

So - I think it is fully understandable the people here do not get a detailled list of things to release soon, simply because it is extremely dangerous to announce something before you can be sure it is stable and finished. It is also impossible -even for the developers- to give a hard time-line. A lot of people forget mr. Murphy always get it right: "the last 2% of a piece of software takes about 95% of the time to get it right", and "failure is imminent at the moment you are sure you got everything tackled"

Announcing something and not deliver it at the anticipated time does more damage to a company than keeping things "under the belt" until it is sure it can be released. Announcing some bugfix even without a time-line is also dangerous, because when after analysis or initial work, it could turn out you have to rewrite such a large portion of the program that you simply do not have the manpower, time and money to do that in the short term.  Imagine the annoyance of the clients when they realise the announced fix will take more than a year or something...

Please do not consider the above comments as a full defence of all things happening at Cakewalk, but I think you could take this comments in consideration to take a more balanced view here...