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Re:Sonar X1 - Where are we?
2011/06/27 13:48:02
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Well for me I just barely decided to switch from FLStudio to SonarX1 because I liked the interface and workflow that came with the new sonar. Before I would have never considered it as it was too cluttered and retro (to me...).
My experiences at first seemed to be filled with bugs and I almost went back to Flstudio but my need for something with better integration with my hardware kept me around a little longer. Luckily this paid off and now that I've gotten my default template set up and wrapped my head around the program most of the "bugs" i was experiencing have disappeared. The program runs smooth and I only experience the occasional crash (which I attribute to my m-audio Trigger Finger not functioning correctly).
Overall I'm really happy and Ive found that as I'm learning the product I keep thinking wow it'd be cool if the software worked like this....then I try it and it does indeed work how I imagined. So I believe that's a pretty good indicator of an overall well designed product. Not to mention it took me literally one hour to get all of the keyboard shortcuts down.
Customer support has also been top notch.
All in all Im a happy customer!
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Re:Sonar X1 - Where are we?
2011/06/27 13:49:40
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I'm working on a processor for SONAR XXX based on sub-atomic particles...zero latency and the interface is based on mind control. Production units expected summer 2012...you can view the beta technology now & pre-order now at http://www.trustmedia.tv/subatomic/ 
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Re:Sonar X1 - Where are we?
2011/06/27 13:54:17
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gothic.angel
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...I'm so NOSTALGIC about those nice, all AT SIGHT, AT WILL, invaluable TOOLBARS....!!! 
That would actually make SONAR X1 the DAW with the best, FASTEST Workflow out there.......................
Please, wake up, Cakewalk............................................................................................................................ 
shawn@trustmedia.tv ...I'm so NOSTALGIC about those nice, all AT SIGHT, AT WILL, invaluable TOOLBARS....!!! That would actually make SONAR X1 the DAW with the best, FASTEST Workflow out there....................... Please, wake up, Cakewalk............................................................................................................................
I had forgot how cluttered the old interface was makes me appreciate X1 even more.....
...the "cluttered" tale, IMO, has always been something really ridiculous.......
...INSTEAD, it means "powerful" and "easy, FAST, EFFECTIVE access" to almost ANYTHING, yep... ANYTHING...............
...while the "clean" GUI tale, to me, means "poor, time-consuming, inconvenient and old-fashioned"...........................
cluttered = full = powerful
clean = empty = poor..................................................................................................................................................... I agree. I just switched back to 8.5 and didn't realize how much I missed things like being able to fit to screen with a mouse click, envelopes are so much easier to add and edit. I used the create nodes at selection a lot in 8.5, it's an option when you right click, in X1 it's nowhere to be found. I think you have to hold shift? I prefer editing in prv in 8.5 also because you don't have all those notes in the background that you can't adjust that make it confusing, note lengths repeat the previous note you created, and it's just so much easier and faster doing things in 8.5 imo. It's not a matter of familiarity either. Someone who has no experience using Sonar could sit down and 8.5 and be using it in no time because everything is right there, and if you don't want it there, you can remove it. But in X1 I spend more time hunting, pecking, and double checking that things haven't changed on their own than I do tracking and mixing. It only takes that one time of something changing on it's own to place that seed of doubt and mistrust in you. I better shut up before the guard dogs come after me.
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Re:Sonar X1 - Where are we?
2011/06/27 14:05:44
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My X1 experiences may be a bit different from others. I think it may stem from the fact that around the time that X1 was announced I was actively looking at moving to a different DAW from SONAR. My primary reason for looking for a different DAW was that I wanted a change of pace and I was starting to worry that SONAR was stagnating as a platform. Basically when X1 dropped I was already in the mindset of having to learn things from scratch, therefore the interface changes didn't really impact me much, in fact they were kind of welcome. I was also very interested in moving to a fully 64-bit DAW environment. So when I installed X1, I only installed the 64-bit version. However, several months later, I have to admit that I still have mixed feelings about X1. I really do love the new interface and features. Yet, I also have several on-going issues that make it kind of hard for me to fully jump behind X1. The biggest thing that concerns me at this point is that after several 'updates', I am still encountering repeatable bugs. Some have been well documented in this forum (eg. blank toolbar after minimizing X1). I am also seeing issues that seem to be unique to me, like the SONARPRD.EXE process refusing to end after I exit SONAR or default screensets not loading properly until manually refreshed. I am also very disappointed in the included 64-bit Bitbridge support. It seems essentially like its 'hacked' into SONAR and almost all of my stability issues seem to be related to it and the Teleport Server processes. Jbridge seems to be a much better bridge implementation and I'm baffled as to why CW doesn't just license it as a full replacement. For now these are mainly annoyances. However, I'm slowly growing weary of having to implement workarounds EVERY single time that I launch and close X1. FWIW, I'm still able to be productive in X1 and I do like the direction that SONAR is heading. More importantly, since I installed it, I haven't been spending as much time looking over the fence at other products. If CW can just get the few remaining issues that I have worked out soon, I could see myself sticking with X1 as my primary DAW for a while. -e.B
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Re:Sonar X1 - Where are we?
2011/06/27 14:14:53
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I used the create nodes at selection a lot in 8.5, it's an option when you right click, in X1 it's nowhere to be found. I think you have to hold shift? It's automatic now. You just select an area of the automation and drag from the top of the track. Nodes are automatically created instead of a separate command that you have to access. If it would work consistently, it would be great. But if your envelope is already at the top of the track, it's a lot harder to find the 'hitpoint' to drag. And if your selection encompasses a clip plus handles on either side, the nodes that get created snap in to the clip boundaries not the selection boundaries.
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Brandon Ryan [Roland]
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Re:Sonar X1 - Where are we?
2011/06/27 14:31:02
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Just in reference to some of the comments about communication and directed at nobody in particular: - We announced X1a prior to release (if memory serves).
- We created a hotfix to X1a immediately after release based on feedback on the forum (which was two way conversation) as folks were downloading and applying the patch.
- We announced X1b long before it came out with daily and weekly updates about what we were working on (again) long before it was available....and even invited realitme discussion about the update in its own thread.
- We announced the QuickFix program and made clear that this would be an ongoing fixture of SONAR.
- We are very close to being ready to announce some further plans - and I've stated this as well on the forum.
We have to be 100% about things we announce and we need to be sure that what we announce happens when we say and/or contains what we say. Our ducks need to be in a row before we say anything about anything. (I'm frankly somewhat surprised I have to point this out.) I'd be quite surprised if most here didn't realize rather fully that we communicate on a level and with regularity and relative transparency that few rival in this industry, especially if we talk about the "Big Daws" that have been around for years, etc. But even if we include the whole playing field of music software products as a whole - we stack up pretty darn high. And Seth is perfectly valid in using main, established competing DAWs as examples. Simply because one can find a company somewhere out there that might be arguably more transparent about what they are working on next (on some level) doesn't make our level of communication and transparency less than it is. The fact is, and I have alluded to this already, is that information is coming very soon. We were preparing something prior to this thread. It's not cloak and dagger. It's not being secretive just to be secretive. It's plain and simple about announcing things when we are sure of them. The last thing we want to do is back-track on promises or deviate from expectations.
post edited by Brandon Ryan [Cakewalk] - 2011/06/27 14:32:45
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Re:Sonar X1 - Where are we?
2011/06/27 14:54:07
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Re:Sonar X1 - Where are we?
2011/06/27 15:45:20
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Are we gonna get a dedicated Pro Channel control surface?
That gonna be nifty when it happens.
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Re:Sonar X1 - Where are we?
2011/06/27 15:51:31
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mike_mccue
Are we gonna get a dedicated Pro Channel control surface?
I'd be happier if Pro Channel would just adhere to the previous protocol for EQ (like the per channel Sonitus did). And while we are at it give me back control over the toolbar. And fix the various issues with the ASIO drivers, (which if memory serves) was what the original "emergency" hot fix was intended to do...
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Re:Sonar X1 - Where are we?
2011/06/27 16:42:05
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Hey Brandon I know I my posts aren't the most elegant , And I commend you for always coming in to tell it how it is...
On different thread I had mentioned that we wouldn't see x1c because of Cakes time frame to release the next installment is about due .. and you Frankly told us as a hint as mentioned above that that something will be announced soon.. How myself and others I suppose took that info was yes X1c is on the horizon.. ( GREAT if thats True we still don't know for sure, Just speculations)
But like you said "We announced X1b long before it came out with daily and weekly updates about what we were working on (again) long before it was available....and even invited realitme discussion about the update in its own thread" If that hold up why haven't we heard anything about x1c , My comment about cloak and dagger refers to points like this.. Again I mean absolutely no disrespect , as I value your help and comments always , as I mentioned with all my heart Ache over x1 its you and the other Guys that keep me around .. And no other site has as much interaction from employees as CW ,, and I'll say it again Thank God your not like those other Daws. As you shut me up before I'm man enough to erase my stupid/un-informed post's . Thanks again for your interaction.. and Please keep us correct, If I write something stupid shout me out if I deserve it..
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Re:Sonar X1 - Where are we?
2011/06/27 17:16:04
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Hey Tom , Quick question You have the tascam fw 1884, The hotfix came out and with it we were now able to use it with out having the Effect Tails enabled .. I notice the same problem when I click the help menu in my w7 64 bit install..I can't have the help menu open it creates a noise , with it enabled no noise.. do you see this?
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Re:Sonar X1 - Where are we?
2011/06/27 18:18:10
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X1C in august....works for me
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Re:Sonar X1 - Where are we?
2011/06/27 19:57:50
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Brandon Ryan [Cakewalk
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Just in reference to some of the comments about communication and directed at nobody in particular:
- We announced X1a prior to release (if memory serves).
- We created a hotfix to X1a immediately after release based on feedback on the forum (which was two way conversation) as folks were downloading and applying the patch.
- We announced X1b long before it came out with daily and weekly updates about what we were working on (again) long before it was available....and even invited realitme discussion about the update in its own thread.
- We announced the QuickFix program and made clear that this would be an ongoing fixture of SONAR.
- We are very close to being ready to announce some further plans - and I've stated this as well on the forum.
We have to be 100% about things we announce and we need to be sure that what we announce happens when we say and/or contains what we say. Our ducks need to be in a row before we say anything about anything. (I'm frankly somewhat surprised I have to point this out.)
I'd be quite surprised if most here didn't realize rather fully that we communicate on a level and with regularity and relative transparency that few rival in this industry, especially if we talk about the "Big Daws" that have been around for years, etc. But even if we include the whole playing field of music software products as a whole - we stack up pretty darn high. And Seth is perfectly valid in using main, established competing DAWs as examples. Simply because one can find a company somewhere out there that might be arguably more transparent about what they are working on next (on some level) doesn't make our level of communication and transparency less than it is.
The fact is, and I have alluded to this already, is that information is coming very soon. We were preparing something prior to this thread. It's not cloak and dagger. It's not being secretive just to be secretive. It's plain and simple about announcing things when we are sure of them. The last thing we want to do is back-track on promises or deviate from expectations.
Brandon, You are correct. I think a big part of the problem is that it has taken so long to get X1 where it should have been upon release. That has created ENORMOUS frustration. So we have waited with each update, hoping that this would be the 'one'. All I can think is that since X1 was such a GUI overhaul it has been a challenge for you guys to get it all sorted out. However I am hoping X2 will not be a similar experience. Thank you for replying Brandon.
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Re:Sonar X1 - Where are we?
2011/06/27 23:49:12
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Homey Sixty Foe don't play wit ma Tirdy Too Bit Hoes!  Otherwise, I'm liking it it. Great upgrade from 6.2 Regaining my sanity and going with a dual install...mercy!
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chaunceyc
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Re:Sonar X1 - Where are we?
2011/06/28 01:06:52
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jbow
Actually I really ike the new less cluttered GUI. I can still get to everything I need to get to and am learning the keyboard shortcuts and to use the smart tool... I like X1 a lot and the only way people who are really comfortable with 8.5 are going to get comfortable with X1 is to comitt totally and stop using 8.5 and move on to X1 and don't look back because I can almost guarantee that CW is not going to go back now that they have introduced the future... it is going to be full speed ahead or nothing... and I think everyone knows that.
Julien
I tried that, I really did - I even bought both sets of the Groove Tutorial videos and tried to commit whole hog. Consistent crashes of old and new projects made X1 unworkable for me, despite working with tech support, (completely uninstalling all CW software and reinstalling a clean copy). 8.5.3 is my only option, and it continues to work fine as it always has on this same computer. I do dislike the new interface , but could have eventually remapped enough keystrokes to avoid the added mousiness, but no...I came back to 8.5.3 after spinning my wheels for months and am much happier.
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chaunceyc
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Re:Sonar X1 - Where are we?
2011/06/28 01:27:43
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gmp
I've used every Cakewalk product since the DOS days. This is the first version I haven't been able to use for prime time after this length of time, since the pre-Sonar Cakewalk Pro Audio 7.0 disaster more than a decade ago. The biggest problem are the numerous crashes I encounter when I'm experimenting with it. Not only have there been too many arbitrary changes in the hot keys, it's the lost features and oversights that have gotten me concerned that Cakewalk is simply out of touch with loyal users and too focused on this new slick approach.
So far I'm most impressed with the smart tool. I miss the customization of the tools in the toolbar. There are so many useless buttons that I'd like to remove and others that have been lost. I could get used to X1 if the stability and lost features were regained.
They should be focusing like a laser on fixing the backward compatibility problems. A project started in 8.53 should be able to be finished in X1 without crashes and changes to the data and lost features.
Many long time users like myself have complicated setups with all sorts of 3rd party pluggins, like Superior Drummer, Ivory Pianos, Vienna Instruments, VSampler, Waves, B4, etc and also 2 Layla cards. I'm sure this opens the door for potential problems and crashes. Yet is all this works fine in 8.53, then it can also in X1.
I'll continue to test it in my spare time and hope there is an X1c out soon to address these issues. If they simply go to X2, I may use this as an opportunity to look into a new program. There's no excuse for Cakewalk to not at least state that they are working on a new update and care about customers concerns.
This mirrors my experience. I've bought and used every version since pre-ProAudio days (back when the software was just called "Cakewalk.") I have always jumped up to the next version and been generally happy, but this one has left me in the lurch. Unable to use 99% of my existing projects (pre-X1) reliably, and still very unstable when I create new ones completely in X1. I am no technophobe - I've worked with computers 10 hours a day for nearly two decades and don't have the time or energy or inclination to troubleshoot non-working projects any further in my spare time. 8.5.3 is my go-to DAW for the forseeable future. If I don't have backward compatibility by the time X2 comes around, I might as well just start doing everything within Ableton Live, where I have a killer dedicated surface (APC40) and rock solid platform. Just saying....
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Re:Sonar X1 - Where are we?
2011/06/28 02:14:04
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ableton?..seriosly..lol..haaa.
ableton is good for live performances(what it was designed to do)but as for studio recording..its pro tools,x1 or cubase.
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Re:Sonar X1 - Where are we?
2011/06/28 02:34:23
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Bub
gothic.angel
sykodelic
gothic.angel
shawn@trustmedia.tv
...I'm so NOSTALGIC about those nice, all AT SIGHT, AT WILL, invaluable TOOLBARS....!!!
That would actually make SONAR X1 the DAW with the best, FASTEST Workflow out there.......................
Please, wake up, Cakewalk............................................................................................................................
shawn@trustmedia.tv ...I'm so NOSTALGIC about those nice, all AT SIGHT, AT WILL, invaluable TOOLBARS....!!! That would actually make SONAR X1 the DAW with the best, FASTEST Workflow out there....................... Please, wake up, Cakewalk............................................................................................................................
I had forgot how cluttered the old interface was makes me appreciate X1 even more.....
...the "cluttered" tale, IMO, has always been something really ridiculous.......
...INSTEAD, it means "powerful" and "easy, FAST, EFFECTIVE access" to almost ANYTHING, yep... ANYTHING...............
...while the "clean" GUI tale, to me, means "poor, time-consuming, inconvenient and old-fashioned"...........................
cluttered = full = powerful
clean = empty = poor..................................................................................................................................................... I agree. I just switched back to 8.5 and didn't realize how much I missed things like being able to fit to screen with a mouse click, envelopes are so much easier to add and edit. I used the create nodes at selection a lot in 8.5, it's an option when you right click, in X1 it's nowhere to be found. I think you have to hold shift? I prefer editing in prv in 8.5 also because you don't have all those notes in the background that you can't adjust that make it confusing, note lengths repeat the previous note you created, and it's just so much easier and faster doing things in 8.5 imo. It's not a matter of familiarity either. Someone who has no experience using Sonar could sit down and 8.5 and be using it in no time because everything is right there, and if you don't want it there, you can remove it. But in X1 I spend more time hunting, pecking, and double checking that things haven't changed on their own than I do tracking and mixing. It only takes that one time of something changing on it's own to place that seed of doubt and mistrust in you. I better shut up before the guard dogs come after me.
LOL You can't be serious? 90th GUI look? Anyone that want to go back to 8.5 can't be serious? Either you have wrong workflow or you have not get into the new way all works in SONAR X1. I have no problems, stable as rock, no crashes, LOW CPU, use all cores, working with Automation are a breeze... Pro Channel Pure EQ sounds absolutely beautiful, best EQ on the market right now.. the GUI with the SKIN "Dark side of SONAR" look fantastic.. Workspaces and more and more... I can just say SONAR and SONAR Xc1 going definitely in the right direction! Best Regards Freddie
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Re:Sonar X1 - Where are we?
2011/06/28 02:35:30
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sykodelic
X1C in august....works for me
+1
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Re:Sonar X1 - Where are we?
2011/06/28 04:41:19
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Freddie H
Bub
gothic.angel
sykodelic
gothic.angel
shawn@trustmedia.tv
...I'm so NOSTALGIC about those nice, all AT SIGHT, AT WILL, invaluable TOOLBARS....!!!
That would actually make SONAR X1 the DAW with the best, FASTEST Workflow out there.......................
Please, wake up, Cakewalk............................................................................................................................
shawn@trustmedia.tv ...I'm so NOSTALGIC about those nice, all AT SIGHT, AT WILL, invaluable TOOLBARS....!!! That would actually make SONAR X1 the DAW with the best, FASTEST Workflow out there....................... Please, wake up, Cakewalk............................................................................................................................
I had forgot how cluttered the old interface was makes me appreciate X1 even more.....
...the "cluttered" tale, IMO, has always been something really ridiculous.......
...INSTEAD, it means "powerful" and "easy, FAST, EFFECTIVE access" to almost ANYTHING, yep... ANYTHING...............
...while the "clean" GUI tale, to me, means "poor, time-consuming, inconvenient and old-fashioned"...........................
cluttered = full = powerful
clean = empty = poor..................................................................................................................................................... I agree. I just switched back to 8.5 and didn't realize how much I missed things like being able to fit to screen with a mouse click, envelopes are so much easier to add and edit. I used the create nodes at selection a lot in 8.5, it's an option when you right click, in X1 it's nowhere to be found. I think you have to hold shift? I prefer editing in prv in 8.5 also because you don't have all those notes in the background that you can't adjust that make it confusing, note lengths repeat the previous note you created, and it's just so much easier and faster doing things in 8.5 imo. It's not a matter of familiarity either. Someone who has no experience using Sonar could sit down and 8.5 and be using it in no time because everything is right there, and if you don't want it there, you can remove it. But in X1 I spend more time hunting, pecking, and double checking that things haven't changed on their own than I do tracking and mixing. It only takes that one time of something changing on it's own to place that seed of doubt and mistrust in you. I better shut up before the guard dogs come after me.
LOL You can't be serious? 90th GUI look?
Anyone that want to go back to 8.5 can't be serious? Either you have wrong workflow or you have not get into the new way all works in SONAR X1. I have no problems, stable as rock, no crashes, LOW CPU, use all cores, working with Automation are a breeze... Pro Channel Pure EQ sounds absolutely beautiful, best EQ on the market right now.. the GUI with the SKIN "Dark side of SONAR" look fantastic.. Workspaces and more and more...
I can just say SONAR and SONAR Xc1 going definitely in the right direction!
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Well, even on this small printscreen I can see valuable info that X1 does not display at all (or would not display that efficiently at that screen res with that much of the track pane visible) The Archive status of every track - not visible in X1 until you expand the left pane to fill most of the screen The Freeze status of every track - not visible in X1 until you expand the left pane to fill most of the screen Track meter peak levels - The entire name of each track More tracks visible at once The inspector is not visible in the screen print, but the (nicely compact) 8.5 era inspector is easily invoked with 'I' keystroke without constantly reverting to showing the 3" wide screen hog track+bus inspector. I'm happy that you have a perfectly functioning system with zero problems, but don't assume that is the norm for all of us. I had a perfectly functioning 8.5.3 system that crashes repeatedly and unpredictably in X1 and no amount of wishful thinking or cheerleading or modifying my workflow to "get into the new way" is going to change that.
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Re:Sonar X1 - Where are we?
2011/06/28 07:15:43
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...I'm so NOSTALGIC about those nice, all AT SIGHT, AT WILL, invaluable TOOLBARS....!!!
That would actually make SONAR X1 the DAW with the best, FASTEST Workflow out there.......................
Please, wake up, Cakewalk............................................................................................................................
shawn@trustmedia.tv ...I'm so NOSTALGIC about those nice, all AT SIGHT, AT WILL, invaluable TOOLBARS....!!! That would actually make SONAR X1 the DAW with the best, FASTEST Workflow out there....................... Please, wake up, Cakewalk............................................................................................................................
I had forgot how cluttered the old interface was makes me appreciate X1 even more.....
...the "cluttered" tale, IMO, has always been something really ridiculous.......
...INSTEAD, it means "powerful" and "easy, FAST, EFFECTIVE access" to almost ANYTHING, yep... ANYTHING...............
...while the "clean" GUI tale, to me, means "poor, time-consuming, inconvenient and old-fashioned"...........................
cluttered = full = powerful
clean = empty = poor..................................................................................................................................................... I agree. I just switched back to 8.5 and didn't realize how much I missed things like being able to fit to screen with a mouse click, envelopes are so much easier to add and edit. I used the create nodes at selection a lot in 8.5, it's an option when you right click, in X1 it's nowhere to be found. I think you have to hold shift? I prefer editing in prv in 8.5 also because you don't have all those notes in the background that you can't adjust that make it confusing, note lengths repeat the previous note you created, and it's just so much easier and faster doing things in 8.5 imo. It's not a matter of familiarity either. Someone who has no experience using Sonar could sit down and 8.5 and be using it in no time because everything is right there, and if you don't want it there, you can remove it. But in X1 I spend more time hunting, pecking, and double checking that things haven't changed on their own than I do tracking and mixing. It only takes that one time of something changing on it's own to place that seed of doubt and mistrust in you. I better shut up before the guard dogs come after me.
Yes, Thank You "Bup"............. it was EXACTLY my point......! It's NOT about the GUI in itself, as someone seems NOT to understand... it's about fast access to ANY and ALL desired tools, AT WILL...................... ...previous to X1, you COULD decide to keep the interface full of needed tools, any time, any place..... again, at WILL.... ...Now you simply CAN'T have your WILL.......... ...Sorry, buddies, far as this aspect of X1, I will not buy your "blind" happiness, so to speak.... 
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Re:Sonar X1 - Where are we?
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Well, even on this small printscreen I can see valuable info that X1 does not display at all (or would not display that efficiently at that screen res with that much of the track pane visible)
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+1 I have been playing around with the X1 demo and my main longer term concern is it now takes up a lot more room to display less information. In the short term I am still in the "where on earth has that gone" stage. As I seldom used keyboard commands in 8.5 (or any other software) at least I don't have to break the habit of using the old ones.
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Re:Sonar X1 - Where are we?
2011/06/28 09:44:01
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I'm still waiting for 8.5.4.
Most people here don't know if X1c is coming or not, or if X2 will be the fix.
Those are things that has nothing to do with competition now being tougher than ever.
Let people know if there will be a cleanup act for things that bothers them.
But I'm also impressed that Brandon and Seth are following and argueing in conversations here on forum. That show a sincere will to improve from Cake.
To be sure, I will await the X2 release....
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Re:Sonar X1 - Where are we?
2011/06/28 09:50:07
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Most people here don't know if X1c is coming or not, or if
Sonar X1c is mentioned here on the Summer of Sonar X1 marketing page.
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Re:Sonar X1 - Where are we?
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Showing a picture of 8.5 with every tool and icon available is an excellent way of showing what this debate is all about. X1 solves this enormous clutter problem by simply removing tools, icons, and features. If they had done it under my direction, I'd be a happy camper with a sleek clutter free GUI, because they would have removed tools that I have no interest in. I'm not so arrogant to realize that other users who have a different approach would sorely miss many tools that I viewed as clutter.
My 8.5 doesn't look like that picture at all. I've customized everything, so that I don't have a cluttered GUI at all. I have the most important tools there that fit my work habits very handy with tons of key bindings and even Macro Express which fills in the blanks with more shortcuts.
Here's the perfect compromise. Go ahead and leave the default install display pretty clutter free, but allow power users to customize all the toolbar modules like we could in 8.5, so not only can we remove things we have no interest in, but we can add all the lost tools from 8.5. Let the users decide what is clutter and what is important.
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Re:Sonar X1 - Where are we?
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Same here my v8.5 is not cluttered either.
Good Point.
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Re:Sonar X1 - Where are we?
2011/06/28 13:20:40
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Here's the perfect compromise. Go ahead and leave the default install display pretty clutter free, but allow power users to customize all the toolbar modules like we could in 8.5, so not only can we remove things we have no interest in, but we can add all the lost tools from 8.5. Let the users decide what is clutter and what is important.
Here Here X1c, maybe?
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Re:Sonar X1 - Where are we?
2011/06/28 13:56:16
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I used the create nodes at selection a lot in 8.5, it's an option when you right click, in X1 it's nowhere to be found. I think you have to hold shift? It's automatic now. You just select an area of the automation and drag from the top of the track. Nodes are automatically created instead of a separate command that you have to access.
Would you happen to know what page that is on in the manual? I've been looking for how to do that for a long time and couldn't find it. I just spent 10 minutes poking around the manual again and still can't find it. Thanks.
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Re:Sonar X1 - Where are we?
2011/06/28 16:31:55
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it may be the edit filter stuff
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Re:Sonar X1 - Where are we?
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