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Re:Sonar X1 - Where are we?
2011/06/26 14:00:42
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I could understand not announcing new features till your sure you can implement them but to me a bug fix is entirely different. Bugs need to be fixed. I can't fix this bug because it will break this feature isn't cool in my book after the software has been released. I personally don't have many issues on my setup but there are a few. I really love this software and hope cakewalk gets these issues worked out soon. If X2 drops before we see another update it would really shake my confidence in purchasing any more cake products.
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Re:Sonar X1 - Where are we?
2011/06/26 14:41:58
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Well - I am using a lot of open source software. Most of my computers (except the Windows computer Sonar is running on), are using a operating system like Linux, BSD etc. The fun of open software is that you are able to look into the "kitchen where everything is cooked". And the comments I gave here are based on that observations. I have seen a lot of software that was finally finished be hunted by a small bug (pointed out by a user), that lead to a complete rewrite of a large portion of the software. It is really interesting to see how a tiny change can spark off a complete chain of damaging events. Please notice I am not talking about amateurish applications written by "in-basement long-hair coding jockeys" (although some of them are really practising good coding habits), but large corporations that have dedicated departments handling open source software. So when you say "can't fix this bug because it will break this feature isn't cool in my book" does not mean this will not happen. On the contrary - It is exactly the thing that could happen, just because it is completely unpredictable where a bug occurs (until the user stumbles on it), and what impact it will have on the rest of the application (even if you program highly modular). As I said - I am not defending Cakewalk in any way (I think they are perfectly capable defending themselves), but I only pointing out software development is not simply change or fix a little part here without any effects on other parts of a application. Most times a little "fix" can have pronounced effects on a part of the software you would not expect or think it should have. If software grows in complexity this "side-effects" grow exponentially. And - Sonar IS very complex software, wont you agree? Anyway - I just pointed this out without any meaning to offend anyone - or defending Cakewalk... 
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Re:Sonar X1 - Where are we?
2011/06/26 15:08:26
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Re:Sonar X1 - Where are we?
2011/06/26 16:03:17
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EVeryone has some good points here....
Funny, but I agree with everyone! ;-)
I'm one of thos extremely shaken long-time users... I too feel my faith in the company being hit harder than ever before and I too worry about the future... Right now I use 8.5.3 for everything that I charge cash/time as I can't get work doen as quickly (not even close!) in X1... I've worked with it enuf to be able to work relatively comfortably in as much as I know where things are and all the work arounds I need.... But there are so many issues in severe need of attention (for me) that I need to hear more from the company...
I don't expect any guarantess and I know these issues have been verified and "are being worked on"... I know I can't be told which ones are getting done now and will be in any given release, but I could be told that a release is imminent or expected by such and such a date.... Cakewalk has usually done this and honestly there was specific talk (by various CW employees) of an X1c release...
At least confiming this would be a good step towards relations....
All the thoughts in these last few messages by Mike,dj, vintage, Jclosed and others (excuse me if I missed some names) are all tru at the same time!
Cakewalk made it's name and fame from not only being a great tool, but for making a system that allowed users to work as they preferred... Now turning a a specialized work-model is a different product!
In this case, I believe that an updated version of 8.5.3 should/should have been created as well as the release of the new system..... X1 then you could have seen who really likes/wants what.... I would have been perfectly happy to have fixes and no new features (8.5.3) as compared to all the new features I don't use or want to use in X1!
Cakewalk was in the position of being all things to all people and is now selecting to make it simply one card in the deck.... Bad move... I hope the finances work for the company for I believe they will be losing many long time users over the next year... I am not alone in this belief... and I sincerely hope I'm wrong...
Please prove me wrong... Give us back our leading edge software.... I can even live with the semi-useless gui if you could fix the other issues!
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Re:Sonar X1 - Where are we?
2011/06/26 16:13:01
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Well - I am using a lot of open source software. Most of my computers (except the Windows computer Sonar is running on), are using a operating system like Linux, BSD etc. The fun of open software is that you are able to look into the "kitchen where everything is cooked". And the comments I gave here are based on that observations. I have seen a lot of software that was finally finished be hunted by a small bug (pointed out by a user), that lead to a complete rewrite of a large portion of the software. It is really interesting to see how a tiny change can spark off a complete chain of damaging events. Please notice I am not talking about amateurish applications written by "in-basement long-hair coding jockeys" (although some of them are really practising good coding habits), but large corporations that have dedicated departments handling open source software. So when you say "can't fix this bug because it will break this feature isn't cool in my book" does not mean this will not happen. On the contrary - It is exactly the thing that could happen, just because it is completely unpredictable where a bug occurs (until the user stumbles on it), and what impact it will have on the rest of the application (even if you program highly modular). As I said - I am not defending Cakewalk in any way (I think they are perfectly capable defending themselves), but I only pointing out software development is not simply change or fix a little part here without any effects on other parts of a application. Most times a little "fix" can have pronounced effects on a part of the software you would not expect or think it should have. If software grows in complexity this "side-effects" grow exponentially. And - Sonar IS very complex software, wont you agree? Anyway - I just pointed this out without any meaning to offend anyone - or defending Cakewalk... That makes a lot of sense, and reminds me how easy it is to comment on things I really know nothing about. It is sort of like a cure for the common cold. They say we don't have a cure but that isn't exactly true. We have several but if we use them we will cause so much other lasting, and possibly deadly, damge to the body that it is better to drink juice, take something for the symptoms, and live with it. Hmmm, Julien
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Re:Sonar X1 - Where are we?
2011/06/26 19:20:41
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Has the suggestion of a user defined 'shortcuts' module for the control bar in X1 been brought up ?
Apologies if this has been discussed to death previously.
I expect that quite a few people don't have the control bar full up with the existing modules, so there will be an area of it that could be doing nothing & put to good use instead.
I imagine that this would be a fairly straightforward idea to impliment ( in comparison to the rest of X1 ) and might please many of the veterans that have become used to the various buttons present on the 8.5 interface.
Only downside I see would be the annoyance factor for people that float the control bar on a 2nd screen.
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Re:Sonar X1 - Where are we?
2011/06/26 20:19:04
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This is a good tip that many dont know about ;) I did because if I need to reset my sound card driver to get sound back in sonar after a crash, I use windows pause break keyboard shortcut to get to device manager. Even out of sonar, this pause break action causes the slow resource saving graphic renewal in sonar when I oopen again until I hit pause break again.
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If anyone is having issues where SONAR's graphics refresh slowly, hit the Pause Break key on your QWERTY. Toggling this toggles SONAR's refresh rate from smooth to choppy.
Also, if you are testing on a laptop with a built-in sound card, your experiences will vary. Please test on a system with a proper audio interface. Really, there's no point in testing or reporting any issues otherwise.
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Re:Sonar X1 - Where are we?
2011/06/26 21:14:03
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Actually I really ike the new less cluttered GUI. I can still get to everything I need to get to and am learning the keyboard shortcuts and to use the smart tool... I like X1 a lot and the only way people who are really comfortable with 8.5 are going to get comfortable with X1 is to comitt totally and stop using 8.5 and move on to X1 and don't look back because I can almost guarantee that CW is not going to go back now that they have introduced the future... it is going to be full speed ahead or nothing... and I think everyone knows that.
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Re:Sonar X1 - Where are we?
2011/06/26 21:47:00
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Sorry, as per usual, to sound like a dumbass...but where exactly is the "pause/break key" on my Qwerty Keyboard??
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Re:Sonar X1 - Where are we?
2011/06/26 21:48:36
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Oops. Just discovered a "pause" key (not on my Qwerty Keyboard, however) over above the "Insert, Home and Page Up" keys. Sorry.
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Re:Sonar X1 - Where are we?
2011/06/26 22:41:28
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yorolpal
Oops. Just discovered a "pause" key (not on my Qwerty Keyboard, however) over above the "Insert, Home and Page Up" keys. Sorry.
Hi yorolpal- Okay, I'm curious. What keyboard are you talking about, then? -Susan
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Re:Sonar X1 - Where are we?
2011/06/26 23:02:20
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Sorry...but I don't (wrongly???) consider anything but the actual "Qwerty" part of the keyboard (remember, like on the old typewriters???) to be an actual "part" of the "Qwerty" keyboard. Call me old fashioned. But don't make me one...that's what Colonel Ryan likes to drink. I prefer Gin Martinis. PS: Although, after a little sleuthing...turns out I'm right ( I think ). It would've been more correct to say "the pause/break key on your computer keyboard. Qwerty is indeed proprietary to the alphabet and top row of numeric keys only.
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Re:Sonar X1 - Where are we?
2011/06/27 00:14:30
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Okay. I wasn't thinking in terms of "right" or "wrong" here  -- I see QWERTY used pretty often to distinguish the PC keyboard from a MIDI keyboard (informally, at least), so that's what I assumed you & Seth meant. Thanks- -Susan
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Re:Sonar X1 - Where are we?
2011/06/27 03:32:11
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QWERTY = "English" keyboard AZERTY = French keyboard Its down to the letters used most when typing in specific languages. Etc....... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AZERTY Cheers, Jerry
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Re:Sonar X1 - Where are we?
2011/06/27 05:08:03
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...I'm so NOSTALGIC about those nice, all AT SIGHT, AT WILL, invaluable TOOLBARS....!!! 
That would actually make SONAR X1 the DAW with the best, FASTEST Workflow out there.......................
Please, wake up, Cakewalk............................................................................................................................
shawn@trustmedia.tv ...I'm so NOSTALGIC about those nice, all AT SIGHT, AT WILL, invaluable TOOLBARS....!!! That would actually make SONAR X1 the DAW with the best, FASTEST Workflow out there....................... Please, wake up, Cakewalk............................................................................................................................
I had forgot how cluttered the old interface was makes me appreciate X1 even more.....
...the "cluttered" tale, IMO, has always been something really ridiculous....... ...INSTEAD, it means "powerful" and "easy, FAST, EFFECTIVE access" to almost ANYTHING, yep... ANYTHING............... ...while the "clean" GUI tale, to me, means "poor, time-consuming, inconvenient and old-fashioned"........................... cluttered = full = powerful clean = empty = poor.....................................................................................................................................................
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Re:Sonar X1 - Where are we?
2011/06/27 06:02:48
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Well gothic.agel I disagree with you, just like skyodelic... For me the interface and workflow of X1 is superior to the old 8.5 interface. Altough I do not say people like you would not get a choice to have a extra bar wit a dazzling lot of tiny icons, like the famous SonarPlus from benstat. I think that last one definitely fills a gap and deserves a big applause, but for me that would be a option I won't use... And to be fair - I do not think the "old" interface of 8.5 will ever see a revival in X1. Even posting everywhere using CAPITALS and a lot of free space won't change that I am afraid... I think X1 laid the fundament. And yes - it is a bit rough at this moment, and there is work to do to smooth things out, but the next upgrade and incarnations will be build on top of X1 and nothing else.
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The Maillard Reaction
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Re:Sonar X1 - Where are we?
2011/06/27 08:31:49
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Cakewalk v19.++ here we come!!!
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Re:Sonar X1 - Where are we?
2011/06/27 08:55:41
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jsg
From what I read online I estimate about 50% of users are happy with their purchase and about 50% are not.
I know it may seem that way, but from my inside perspective it's nowhere near that. The number of dissatisfied users we hear from (forum, phone, etc) versus the number of SONAR X1 users out there is rather small in relative terms. Important and highly significant to us, but not nearly 50% of the userbase. And then of course there's a lot of ground between Happy and Not Happy.
If you're still waiting to see how it will work for you, why not try the demo?
I Agree with Brandon! ;-) I would guess 85% are happy with the DAW product. If you been around for awhile you would know that any DAW product or any other software products on the market has less or more flaws, bugs. It Comes with the new flavor. As advance Programs and new Technology progress; more likely the new Programs will have bugs.. Anyway, I would guess only 20-30% of all SONAR users have the time or have the interest to write in this FORUM or in other COMMUNITY FORUMS on the INTERNET. I sometimes "pop by" but I have no time either, so I guess I'm just an exception... Best Regards Freddie
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Re:Sonar X1 - Where are we?
2011/06/27 09:07:38
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Cakewalk v19.++ here we come!!!
If I'm not mistaken SONAR X2 will probably be released this autum.
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Re:Sonar X1 - Where are we?
2011/06/27 11:38:10
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Keni
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I would rather they spend their time fixing everything. I still don't understand their alienation of the customers. Several posters have asked for a level of transparency, and I totally agree. Communicate with your customers as to what the GAMEPLAN is. How can this hurt? This is the first time in years that I have moved off of the Sonar platform and there is a solid chance I will not be returning....the main reason being Cakewalks lack of communication with me the customer.
+1.
I understand that you want more communication from us concerning SONAR's future. Unfortunately, the situation is a little more complex than it may appear to be from the outside. Right now the DAW world is a more competitive marketplace than ever, and there are many factors as to why we can't just lay out our 'gameplan' to the public before we are ready.
When we're ready to talk about what we have planned then we will definitely announce it here and we'll go as in depth as possible. Until then, there's really nothing we can discuss on the matter.
I'm sorry you're using a competitor's product and are contemplating not using ours again. However, does Steinberg or Avid lay out their 'gameplan' plans on their public forums? I think not.
Please remain patient, and as I said before, when we're ready to talk about what is next, we'll talk about it. It shouldn't be long now.
SP
I sure hope the plan includes re-gaining the older Sonar users who miss the many lost and abfuscated items in X1.... I would hate to be forced out of the family.............
I don't expect to be told all the plans any more than the military can announce it's plans... But that doesn't mean it can't be talked about, only specific things must be kept quiet....
Mostly.... Don't lose the respect and trust of users who have been depending on you.... Which many such as I are beginning to feel....
Keni
I've used every Cakewalk product since the DOS days. This is the first version I haven't been able to use for prime time after this length of time, since the pre-Sonar Cakewalk Pro Audio 7.0 disaster more than a decade ago. The biggest problem are the numerous crashes I encounter when I'm experimenting with it. Not only have there been too many arbitrary changes in the hot keys, it's the lost features and oversights that have gotten me concerned that Cakewalk is simply out of touch with loyal users and too focused on this new slick approach. So far I'm most impressed with the smart tool. I miss the customization of the tools in the toolbar. There are so many useless buttons that I'd like to remove and others that have been lost. I could get used to X1 if the stability and lost features were regained. They should be focusing like a laser on fixing the backward compatibility problems. A project started in 8.53 should be able to be finished in X1 without crashes and changes to the data and lost features. Many long time users like myself have complicated setups with all sorts of 3rd party pluggins, like Superior Drummer, Ivory Pianos, Vienna Instruments, VSampler, Waves, B4, etc and also 2 Layla cards. I'm sure this opens the door for potential problems and crashes. Yet is all this works fine in 8.53, then it can also in X1. I'll continue to test it in my spare time and hope there is an X1c out soon to address these issues. If they simply go to X2, I may use this as an opportunity to look into a new program. There's no excuse for Cakewalk to not at least state that they are working on a new update and care about customers concerns.
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Re:Sonar X1 - Where are we?
2011/06/27 11:55:52
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Despite impressions you might get by reading this forum, there are no showstopper bugs in X1 at this time. (A "showstopper" is a product defect severe enough to make a feature unusable. There is currently nothing you cannot do in X1 that you could do in 8.5.) Outstanding gripes mainly involve UI decisions that, in some users' opinions, make some operations less convenient. Those are legitimate complaints, but don't expect any of them to be addressed in X1c or any fix release. Bottom line is if you like the new UI, go ahead and jump in. If you don't like it, stick with 8.5; you will not be missing out on anything significant. I think that's a pretty fair assessment... I've had good luck with X1. Note: I don't use Audio Snap... or the Step Sequencer. I do straight up audio tracking mixing... with a mix of some of the better soft-synths (Kontakt, Omnisphere, Ivory-II, etc). I get the "Teleport Server has stopped..." error message when closing Sonar... but that's completely inert. I'm of the camp that likes the new UI changes. It's more organized (IMO)... I have Sonar X1, ProTools 9, Cubase 6, Studio One Pro, Reaper 3 and 4 (beta), Samplitude 2496, Vegas 10, etc... and Sonar X1 is my favorite overall DAW. That's not to say it's perfect... but for my purposes it's the best overall fit.
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Re:Sonar X1 - Where are we?
2011/06/27 12:09:37
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The showstopper for me is that I have to stop the show to relearn everything. FWIW, This isn't so different from the hardware days... New machines/gear was a learning curve. Granted, X1 is probably a steeper learning curve. If you can spend some quality time with X1, after ~1-2 weeks you'd be pretty well up-to-speed. A lot of pro's are in your situation. That's what keeps a lot of them using ProTools. Liken the situation to a keyboard player adding a new workstation to his/her rig. If it's going to be the new "center piece"... it's going to take some time/effort to get acquainted. Tough if you have to hit-the-road running...
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The Maillard Reaction
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Re:Sonar X1 - Where are we?
2011/06/27 12:27:48
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If I got a new hardware console and I found out someone decided to move the channel phase switches to inside the chassis I'd wonder how that decision was made.
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Re:Sonar X1 - Where are we?
2011/06/27 12:36:42
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If I got a new hardware console and I found out someone decided to move the channel phase switches to inside the chassis I'd wonder how that decision was made. Isn't that what those flashlight hats (headbands) are made for? Opening consoles to find the phase switch... LOL FWIW, I've got a phase switch on the SSL Channel Strip... so that's not a biggie for me personally. But I do get the point...
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Re:Sonar X1 - Where are we?
2011/06/27 12:40:23
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Is anyone else seeing ProChannel randomly deslecting itself? I've had X1 for a month now and, apart from the colour schemes, have had no problems adapting to the changes and setting it up the way I want.
I have Sonar Plus (which is great) and can accept that X1 is altogether heading in the right direction.
BUT I can't use it: at least not with PC. On several occasions prior to bouncing a mix I've noticed PC, or parts of it, had deselected itself randomly. This is insidious and I can have no confidence that what I'm mixing is what I'm going to get. I simply dont have time to check every track every time I load a file. I mention this just so you can be on the lookout. In the meantime I'm using 8.3.1 till something arrives that addresses this.
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Re:Sonar X1 - Where are we?
2011/06/27 12:52:05
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Fearful Symmetry
Is anyone else seeing ProChannel randomly deslecting itself? I've had X1 for a month now and, apart from the colour schemes, have had no problems adapting to the changes and setting it up the way I want.
I have Sonar Plus (which is great) and can accept that X1 is altogether heading in the right direction.
BUT I can't use it: at least not with PC. On several occasions prior to bouncing a mix I've noticed PC, or parts of it, had deselected itself randomly. This is insidious and I can have no confidence that what I'm mixing is what I'm going to get. I simply dont have time to check every track every time I load a file. I mention this just so you can be on the lookout. In the meantime I'm using 8.3.1 till something arrives that addresses this.
Are you using automation? If so whenever I open a project from 8.53 that has automation. X1 misinterprets some automation data as ProChannel data. In my case it rolls off the low end around 400k of every audio channel. making all audio sound thin and weird. What a crappy first impression I had until I saw what was going on. They are likely working on fixing this since they've acknowledged my bug report.
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Re:Sonar X1 - Where are we?
2011/06/27 13:05:22
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No. This happens with new projects and old and has nothing to do with automation. But it's occasional and apparently random. The other issue for me is that I get random crashes when loading instruments into K4. This has never been an issue in the past and, as K4 is the only soft synth I use, it's a show-stopper: I had, over time, pared down to just this trusty combination to avoid situations like this! The size of the instrument has no bearing nor does when I load it. Every cent I earn comes from this duet of Sonar and Kontakt so I wait in breathless anticipation. I was angry like you at first but I've calmed down now that I'm happily back with my previous version - though I'd love to debate the toss with someone with clout :-)
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Re:Sonar X1 - Where are we?
2011/06/27 13:15:15
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Fearful Symmetry
Is anyone else seeing ProChannel randomly deslecting itself?
BUT I can't use it: at least not with PC. On several occasions prior to bouncing a mix I've noticed PC, or parts of it, had deselected itself randomly. This is insidious and I can have no confidence that what I'm mixing is what I'm going to get. I simply dont have time to check every track every time I load a file. I mention this just so you can be on the lookout. In the meantime I'm using 8.3.1 till something arrives that addresses this.
Yes, I've seen this too and it is ultimately what made me switch back to 8.5.3. X1 has a habit of settings changing on their own for no rhyme or reason. A show stopper for me. Track interleave is another one, although it seems to have been fixed in build 255, but snap to got broken with that release so I just gave up. I'm back on 8.5 but now V-vocal won't work in it and I've never had a single problem with it it in the past. So, I'm going to uninstall it and X1 and reinstall only 8.5. Done with X1, I'm not liking where they are going. But hey, I'm only one guy ... who cares.
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Re:Sonar X1 - Where are we?
2011/06/27 13:24:50
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Is anyone else seeing ProChannel randomly deslecting itself?
BUT I can't use it: at least not with PC. On several occasions prior to bouncing a mix I've noticed PC, or parts of it, had deselected itself randomly. This is insidious and I can have no confidence that what I'm mixing is what I'm going to get. I simply dont have time to check every track every time I load a file. I mention this just so you can be on the lookout. In the meantime I'm using 8.3.1 till something arrives that addresses this. Yes, I've seen this too and it is ultimately what made me switch back to 8.5.3. X1 has a habit of settings changing on their own for no rhyme or reason. A show stopper for me. Track interleave is another one, although it seems to have been fixed in build 255, but snap to got broken with that release so I just gave up.
I'm back on 8.5 but now V-vocal won't work in it and I've never had a single problem with it it in the past. So, I'm going to uninstall it and X1 and reinstall only 8.5. Done with X1, I'm not liking where they are going. But hey, I'm only one guy ... who cares.
I've done the same thing. X1 made 8.53 start acting weird, crashing everytime I imported a wav or mp3. So I now have a dual boot setup with 8.53 on one HD and 8.53 and X1 on the other HD for testing.
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