What is wrong with you people?  
The real problem with PT is the lack of monitoring flexibility (no way to turn off input monitoring without also muting the sound of the armed tracks!!!)

PT does a good job of LOW latency monitoring, but they don't provide a way to utilize NO latency monitoring- this is a deal-breaker!  That and no VST and no fast bounce.
My studio runs Sonar X1 Deluxe Especial and PT 10 and ALL THREE ENGINEERS who work here rarely touch PT for this very simple reason.  We sometimes mix with it, but NEVER record with it.  It does not provide for a very professional recording environment (mixing, sure).

Mystic38


I call complete and total troll post thread..

"used Sonar since v7".. and with a post count of 7 (and 6 are in this thread)... so that means in 3 years he made one post in this forum?.. if so then i guess Sonar was totally flawless...

Post count says nothing about how much you know about Sonar. A lot of people uses Sonar everyday but never write any posts in the forum, and other spend their life in this forum.
If I make 500 post in "the Coffee house" it wont improve my Sonar skills....

This is an old thread? It was started yesterday.

for all the people trying to say this isnt a troll thread answer me this?

where is person who started this thread?

try to say the best thing about x1 is the install,then just leaves..lol
hes got a total of 9 posts,which means hes not a contributor to this forum ,so then why does he feel its his duty
to benchmark the to softwares against eachother and post his findings.
my advice is maybe he should make a few posts in the forum to build a small reputation amongst the community and then post his mind.
because its very hard to be taken seriously with a thread like this unless youve got some credibility.
i actualy find some humor in this...anyone else?

I do agree with you Jerry.

Its OK though, X1 is strong enough to handle any and all contenders. 

He just wanted 24 hrs of fame and y'all gave it to 'im!

Savagery


Holy hell, some of you guys have so much nerve... calling the OP a troll? Because he has a low post count? I've used cakewalk since the mid 90's (home studio 3, PA7-9, Sonar 1-7, then X1) and only joined the forum when X1 came out. The reason is, I'm not big on online forums, that's all. I know people who have been loyal cakewalk users since day 1 and have NEVER posted on this forum... that doesn't discredit their opinions in any way.

Whether his points were correct, or missing info, or what, isn't the point. He took the time to type up this comparison, and the least we can do is say "thanks for sharing".

as much as i respect your opinion,you should respect ours.

Low post count = Troll

High post count = Get a life

Sometimes you just can't win.......

Rocky

I don't see why anyone is upset with the OP. Either he has a point and one feels somehow on the short end or one is unsure of their own position. Unsure they made the right purchase. 

I'm very satisfied with X1. I have used other DAWs and have a few others on my HD. Do I care what someone says about X1 that isn't even accurate? Not really. 

Its good to defend a product on the company's own forum but as users we should be confident in what we have.  I know X1 does everything I ask it to do. That is all that matters. What the OP is saying, if you read between the lines,is "I haven't a clue how to use X1". Also his postings are rather contradictory anyway. 

Thus there is no need to be upset. It sure is in the scheme of things about as unimportant as it gets. 

Don't worry be happy! Plus we have X2 to look forward to. What can better than that?    

Not sure if OP is a troll. I've been a Cakewalk customer since Sonar 4 and other iterations prior to the line. I don't post a ton at forums either. Way too much in daily life to do so. I joined a few years ago but lurked a great deal and found many answers not requiring me to log on.

I also have PT and Sonar X1 Expanded. Both are loaded with bells and whistles as well as a learning curve.

For me the interface of PT is not as much a concern. I am quite a fan of creating my own workflow with screensets which makes any job in the daw simplified. Color is not really a selling factor for me either. X1 looks great and works great. 

I am not a fan of midi in PT, but Sonar made it about as simple as I find in Cubase.

Editing track data in PT is a touch easier. Elastic audio is cool and the fact I can clean bad sample ticks easily without the use of fades, cross fades, or a program like Wavelab can speed up things. 

Everyone's workflow is different, but Sonar at least expands the creativity in what details you outline for a project. With PT, a session is a session. IDK the mix window always reminded me of those wall organizer letter holders where you put your paper mailed bills.

Sonar went plenty steps further for me with Pro Channel. It is by far my favorite part of Sonar. Customizing PC also is a huge workflow ingredient I use as often as I do screensets.

Some like to organize by color, and you can do that to an extent in Sonar, but some others find that a way to simplify mixes in PT. I never really cared since I organize by instrument type, alpha numeric for tracks or bus.

Fast bounce really isn't a detail I find missing in PT. I've used PT for many years so a few minutes to bounce or export are not much of a deal breaker. Sonar should always have their own MP3 encoder though. Any daw worth it's salt should. 

As an avid user (no pun) of both Sonar and PT, I find I move so much faster in Sonar. Pro Channel and it's low latency high quality channel plugs make it outstanding.

Some of the RTAS plus are good, but I like the VST versions so much better. I don't like using any wrapper or bitbridge. Some do okay with it, I don't care for them.

Sonar imo has much more flexibility in midi, mixing plugs, routing options, and mastering options. Screensets, Pro Channel, and other built in user customization tools make it much more accommodating.

I don't think the OP is necessarily trying to sway people into buying Pro Tools at all but rather was trying to make a genuine comparison.

But it is also unfair because any of you who attempt this comparison don't actually know as much about Pro Tools as you do about the DAW that you are most familiar with so you will always find fault with another program that you are not totally familiar with. The only people who can make real objective comparisons are those who can test many DAW's without any bias towards one particular DAW and that does not happen often.

As a teacher I have been made to do three AVID Pro Tools courses recently, the 101, 110 and a special teacher training course. Many of you have not had the same exposure this way. After doing all that all I can say is PT is a very good program indeed and it can do waaaayyy more things that many of you think it can do. Same thing with Studio One. Many of you think it is way inferior to Sonar but it is not and very very good as well and out performs it in certain areas even.  Very few of you actually know what Studio One can really do, period.

PT does not need VST's, it has millions of its own plugins already and believe me they are fine including a very high quality Euphonix channel strip which does most of what Pro Channel can do. Not working with any other plugins in some ways is good because it prevents third party plugins from causing instabilities. They have eliminated that.

But PT is expensive and you have to spend a lot of money (well beyond the initial purchase too!) actually to get it in the same league as Studio One, Sonar or many other DAW's. They are much better value for sure. Also I have to agree with FreddieH on this point too. I have been teaching a lot of audio post for TV and film recently with PT and it does NOT time stretch anywhere near as well as Studio One does and probably Sonar as well. It falls apart quite quickly and does not sound great in the process. Studio One can go way beyond and still sound excellent.

I wonder why Avid has stayed PT @ 32 bit.  Some sort of massive engineering problem?  Perhaps they have a major hardware redesign, or perhaps PT has some snag preventing a 64 bit version from coming to fruition..

Who knows?

I do know..  I have vst crashing problems in all my daws.  But sooner or later, you find out what can cause a crash, and you just simply, "know when to save, know when to avoid, know when to use a different vst."

Know when to hold em, know when to fold em, know when to walk away...

Any professional DAW VS Pro Tools!



Pro Tools isn't my first choice infact any other professional DAW's VS Pro Tools can do and are 10 times better then Pro Tools. Pro Tools are overpriced, outdated piece of junk that still doesn't support x64. The last and only one that still doens't support x64.   
Vow factor is still enormous especially if you are a "wannabe"-producer /songwriter and you think you are "pro" because you use what used to be the "standard"-DAW in early 90ths. If you don't recognize the difference between SONAR X1 VS any Pro Tools-version yet realized, you haven't the knowledge yet or you haven't discovered all the possibilities that you can do with SONAR X1 Expanded.

Real professionals, professional producers and mixing engineers use something else and modern like Cubase, Nuendo, Samplitude, Logic, SONAR X1, Studio One and Sequoia Samplitude that support x64.
Pro Tools have one thing though that other DAW's don't have. Fanboys Wow factor that is enormous without any real reasons?

Freddie H


Any professional DAW VS Pro Tools!



Pro Tools isn't my first choice infact any other professional DAW's VS Pro Tools can do and are 10 times better then Pro Tools. Pro Tools are overpriced, outdated piece of junk that still doesn't support x64. The last and only one that still doens't support x64.   
Vow factor is still enormous especially if you are a "wannabe"-producer /songwriter and you think you are "pro" because you use what used to be the "standard"-DAW in early 90ths. If you don't recognize the difference between SONAR X1 VS any Pro Tools-version yet realized, you haven't the knowledge yet or you haven't discovered all the possibilities that you can do with SONAR X1 Expanded.

Real professionals, professional producers and mixing engineers use something else and modern like Cubase, Nuendo, Samplitude, Logic, SONAR X1, Studio One and Sequoia Samplitude that support x64.
Pro Tools have one thing though that other DAW's don't have. Fanboys Wow factor that is enormous without any real reasons?

The Smart Tool!  The Sonar Smart Tool is groundbreaking...  It doesn't sound like it, but its a revolution in DAW workflow.

Any one besides me notice the OP has stopped posting? He accomplished what he wanted to, and sits back to watch now.